The Ideal, Practical Big Man for this Team

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The Truth Hurts

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Dan Gadzuric from the Bucks. Why you ask? Well lets see:

1.Excellent rebounder/shotblocker- the most mpg he's gotten in a season was 22 in 2004, in which he averaged 8.3 rebounds and 1.3 blocks, wow..Also, he's only 28, so the best is yet to come for this man,

2. He's the ideal new-age center- at 6'11'' 240lbs, he would fit into the up-tempo style of play that seems to be the direction the NBA's taking, with traditional post-up centers becoming more and more of a dying breed. He's very quick and athletic, which would do wonders for not only our fast break, but also our defensive rotations and interior defence.

3. He's available!- Currently averaging a mere 16.6mpg, I feel that a deal could definitely be done to get this guy, and that it probably wouldn't take much to get him. He has a kenny thomas like contract, and the Bucks have two promising young big men (Bogut, Villanueva) playing in front of him, hense his obvious availabiliy. May Shareef or Kenny with a 2nd rounder would do it? I'm not sure, but I'm certain that he could definitely be had, and he would definitely do wonders for our unathletic, vertically challanged frontcourt.

By the way, this is my first post, so sorry if it's not the greatest, but tell me what you think. Gadzuric wearing purple?
 
Circa_1985_Fan

Circa_1985_Fan

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I actually wanted the Kings to push for Gadzuric when he was a free agent. Dude is active on the glass! He is quick and big, in a Tim Duncan sort of way, without the shot, which we really wouldnt need. As far as what we'd have to give up to get him...well, Shareef and Kenny probably wouldnt pull him, even with a 2nd round pic...we'd probably have to give them Reef/KT plus Francisco. I would probably do that.
 
Catalyst

Catalyst

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I wonder what the Bucks would want for him.

Even though he's only averaging 13 minutes a game, that's still 13 minutes, and you don't just give up on a big guy that's done some things for you.

The Bucks roster is really young and has some hope for the future. I just don't see why they'd do a deal with us for the guys you mentioned.
 
pdxKingsFan

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BMiller52 said:
Sam Dalembert. He's athletic and rebounds well. Then we need a post Defender but SAR played real good D vs Boozer.
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I liked the idea of getting him in some of the AI deals floated about, but he's not really the answer for us - he's not a smart player, way too foul prone and his contract is questionable based on his current level of play.
 
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hearns

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And what about Nene? Denver is looking for the expirings of another team for trade for Iverson, and I think Nene would be a good fit here.
 
Bricklayer

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hearns said:
And what about Nene? Denver is looking for the expirings of another team for trade for Iverson, and I think Nene would be a good fit here.
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You know, that's a good little point I had somehow not considered.

a) Denver is preceisely trying to find expirings to send to Philly to get Iverson, with Nene going to the the third team (the one with the expiring contracts).

b) its well known that we had a real interest in trying to get Nene with Mobley a couple of offseasons ago.

c) there was a rumor we were back in the Iverson talks in some manner, but maybe not for A.I. himself.

Put it all together and...maybe it could happen. The only deterrent for a team as desperate for size as we are being that bigass contract combined with his difficulties staying healthy. Might scare us off. Not a huge shotblocker or rebounder, but a big young stud who could give us a legitiamte big man in there, and a lot of flexiblity in moving other pieces of the frontcourt as he can play either the 4 or 5.
 
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tjobrien

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Bricklayer said:
You know, that's a good little point I had somehow not considered.

a) Denver is preceisely trying to find expirings to send to Philly to get Iverson, with Nene going to the the third team (the one with the expiring contracts).

b) its well known that we had a real interest in trying to get Nene with Mobley a couple of offseasons ago.

c) there was a rumor we were back in the Iverson talks in some manner, but maybe not for A.I. himself.

Put it all together and...maybe it could happen. The only deterrent for a team as desperate for size as we are being that bigass contract combined with his difficulties staying healthy. Might scare us off. Not a huge shotblocker or rebounder, but a big young stud who could give us a legitiamte big man in there, and a lot o flexiblity in moving other pieces of the frontcourt as he can play either the 5 or 5.
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Please, please, please not Nene. He doesn't score much. He doesn't rebound much. He doesn't block shots. He doesn't do anything. That's not true. He does get injured a lot. And he does have a huge contract that he JUST signed that carries through 2011. And they're already trying to unload him. That should be a major, MAJOR warning sign.

This is a horrible idea, sorry. I'd rather keep Bibby the rest of the season. Then he can either walk, in which case we get 11M in cap flexibility, or he doesn't walk and he leaves in 2 years, instead of 5.

We need to figure out a way to move Kenny and Brad. Bibby probably has to be included, but those two NEED to get off the books. Then we could do something - either trade for a GOOD player with a big contract (note: Nene is not the kind of good I am talking about) or we give it a shot in free agency.

Please, though, Geoff Petrie. Please. No Nene. No more huge contracts.
 
jacobdrj

jacobdrj

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I like him. He is a solid player and the Bucks don't use him to his potential.
However, I think he is the last thing the Kings need right now. More undersized tweeners? He would be better on, oh, say, the Heat...
 
xyrin

xyrin

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A player I am really interested in is Kendrick Perkins. He is young, an EXTREMELY good shot blocker, can rebound, and fits exactly what we need. The Celtics are plagued with young talent, so we should try to snatch him from them. I would consider Bibby + filler (hell, maybe even Miller) for West and Perkins. We want to rebuild and go young? Get those two players.
 
LPKingsFan

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I've advocated getting Gadz each of the past two summers. Don't think he'd solve all our problems as a key difference maker on the defensive end, but he'd be a step in the right direction. If we could swap KT for him I'd be all for it, but not sure what the Bucks interest is (although there were rumors of KT for Mason discussion last summer, so maybe there's some interest--although that likely changed with the Villanueva trade). SAR would be a bit much, unless we could somehow swing a pick (maybe a 2nd rounder) as well.
 
VF21

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The Truth Hurts said:
Dan Gadzuric from the Bucks. Why you ask? Well lets see:

1.Excellent rebounder/shotblocker- the most mpg he's gotten in a season was 22 in 2004, in which he averaged 8.3 rebounds and 1.3 blocks, wow..Also, he's only 28, so the best is yet to come for this man,

2. He's the ideal new-age center- at 6'11'' 240lbs, he would fit into the up-tempo style of play that seems to be the direction the NBA's taking, with traditional post-up centers becoming more and more of a dying breed. He's very quick and athletic, which would do wonders for not only our fast break, but also our defensive rotations and interior defence.

3. He's available!- Currently averaging a mere 16.6mpg, I feel that a deal could definitely be done to get this guy, and that it probably wouldn't take much to get him. He has a kenny thomas like contract, and the Bucks have two promising young big men (Bogut, Villanueva) playing in front of him, hense his obvious availabiliy. May Shareef or Kenny with a 2nd rounder would do it? I'm not sure, but I'm certain that he could definitely be had, and he would definitely do wonders for our unathletic, vertically challanged frontcourt.

By the way, this is my first post, so sorry if it's not the greatest, but tell me what you think. Gadzuric wearing purple?
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First, welcome. Glad to see you finally jumped in with a post...

And pretty good first post at that.



I like the idea of Gadzuric. That contract is a little scary, though.
 
SacTownKid

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I wouldn't mind Gadz on this team. He is what we need and it would seem Musselman could theoretically use him much better for what he wan't to do. I am pretty sure Gadz for KT would work. Kohls has always had some infatuation with Kenny.

We had interest, supposedly at least, in Joel Przybilla and DJ Mbenga in the offseason too. I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings trade for either of these guys. Mbenga gets zero time in Dallas, I have no idea why they re-signed him other than he's probably a good teammate. Joel could be the perfect replacement for Brad if he doesn't fit here anymore.

Wouldn't mind getting Brian Skinner and his expiring back either. Maybe dumping Kenny in the process?

Maybe I'll head on over to realgm and see what possibilities there are.
 
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nbrans

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Merdiesel said:
I would like the Kings to get Anderson Verajao, he has a ton of engergy...
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I wish Verejao were a better shotblocker, but the Kings could have a good shot at him in the offseason if Bibby opts out. Cleveland is going to have a hard time signing him without paying the tax.
 
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Merdiesel

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nbrans said:
I wish Verejao were a better shotblocker, but the Kings could have a good shot at him in the offseason if Bibby opts out. Cleveland is going to have a hard time signing him without paying the tax.
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Yeah, his defense isn't the best, but with his quickness i could see it improving a lot more.
 
mcsluggo

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From what I've seen of the Kings this season, the ideal big man is Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, or perhaps Steve Kerr


(the CURRENT incarnations of both players, of course)
 
tyrant

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the ideal big man.

1. someone that has a higher vertical than 5 inches
2. someone that's familiar with the bench press and other free weights
3. someone that'll dunk first, shoot later
4. someone that's over 6'10
 
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The Truth Hurts

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as funny as that's supposed to sound tyrant, sadly it's the case. All I'm saying is Gad would be an immediate impact player on our interior defence, and that's where I feel a lot of the reasons for our mediocrity lies. For the most part, I've been impressed with our perimeter defence this season, especially surprised by Salmons and the slowing- emerging Price. It's just our paint protection that gives me headaches, and I know I'm a broken record here, cause we're all in agreement. Gadzuric in purple is salivating I say, even if his contract is a little overpriced.
 
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fnordius

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Yeah... there's no shame in having no answer to Yao or Camby or Duncan or Brand, but when you have no answer to Joel Przybilla or Jeff Foster or Steven Hunter, it's time to do something, and I agree that Gadzuric would be a fine solution. Not necessarily the best -- nearly every team in the NBA has at least one actual center, and most have at least 2, many of those would be fine -- but he'll do, and losing him would probably mean less to the Bucks than gaining him would mean to the Kings.
 
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hearns

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With the trade of Denver for Iverson, I think Nene would be available at a very low price, maybe even Williamson+Hart would be enough. They just can't pay the salaries of Iverson+Nene+Anthony+Martin+Camby+Najera+Evans.
 
VF21

VF21

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hearns said:
With the trade of Denver for Iverson, I think Nene would be available at a very low price, maybe even Williamson+Hart would be enough. They just can't pay the salaries of Iverson+Nene+Anthony+Martin+Camby+Najera+Evans.
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You know, that's actually not that bad an idea at first glimpse.

Hrmmmmm...
 
gunks

gunks

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hearns said:
With the trade of Denver for Iverson, I think Nene would be available at a very low price, maybe even Williamson+Hart would be enough. They just can't pay the salaries of Iverson+Nene+Anthony+Martin+Camby+Najera+Evans.
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KT >>>> Nene


Has Nene done ANYTHING other then get overpaid, injured, and generate underserved hype?

Dude's never even averaged over 7 boards OR 1 block...Not even at his peak of 32 minutes a game.
 
nbrans

nbrans

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hearns said:
With the trade of Denver for Iverson, I think Nene would be available at a very low price, maybe even Williamson+Hart would be enough. They just can't pay the salaries of Iverson+Nene+Anthony+Martin+Camby+Najera+Evans.
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Denver tried shopping Nene to everyone under the sun this past week trying to get an expiring contract, so the Kings must not have been interested. I like Nene, but with his injury history and insane contract I don't think it's a good combination. Better to go after Verejao or Darko in the event Bibby opts out.
 
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