Allen Iverson - MERGED

SLAB

SLAB

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http://www.nypost.com/seven/12082006/sports/bad_answer_sports_peter_vecsey.htm

According to the New York Post, Allen Iverson wants out of Philly.

Just for discussions sake, would you ever consider bringing him in?

The way things look right now...

1: We are a one-on-one ball-hoggish team, featuring Mike Bibby and Ron Artest gunning mercilessly.

2: Our merciless gunners aren't the greatest at what they are trying to do.

So I'm thinking of a blockbuster that looks like this.

Mike Bibby and Kenny Thomas for Allen Iverson and Steven Hunter.


Why we do it...

We aquire a bona-fide number one offensive weapon, and in the process clear K9's contract off the books. AI's contract runs for 2 years, so what that is over we will have some nice cap to work with to do what we want with.

Why we don't do it...

AI and Ron Artest clash, causing to the ultimate destruction of this team...And he is Allen Iverson, not excactly the best team player.

Why they do it...

They get a PG that looks like the most unselfish player in the league coming in after AI. Pairs Webb with Bibby again, and hope some magic can be struck in a reunition.

Why they don't do it...

They get K9 back. They think they can get better value than a struggling Bibby and a cancerous back-up K9.

Lineups.

Iverson/Price
Martin/Salmons
Artest/Slamons/Cisco
Hunter/SAR
Miller/SAR

Bibby/Ollie
Igodala/Green
Korver/Carney
Webber/K9
Dalembert/Henderson
 
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Cal-Kings

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NOOOOO!!!!!

AI is a team killer.

Bibby in Philly would actually make that team much better because they'd start to play as a team.

If I were Philly, I'd do that trade in a heart-beat.

If I were Sac, I'd say NOOOOO!!!!!

If we had to trade Bibby at all, trade him for a big. But that kind of trade almost never happens.
 
John Galt

John Galt

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AleksandarN said:
Petrie had a chance to get him about 6 years ago for Jason Williams he did not pull the trigger then and I do not think he will now.
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Sounds like urban legend. AI for JWill... I doubt it was ever on the table without a LOT of other pieces involved.

I happen to love AI and would absolutely love this trade, except it would neuter Kevin Martin... so I'd have done it last offseason but now I can't really see it.
 
nbrans

nbrans

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Yeah, I've been a big Iverson fan, he's the only person I've ever seen single-handedly take his team to the finals. The new rules make him more valuable than ever. After the Webber trade I would have gone for it, but with Martin, Artest and Salmons now on the team I just can't see it.
 
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Troy

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nbrans said:
Yeah, I've been a big Iverson fan, he's the only person I've ever seen single-handedly take his team to the finals. The new rules make him more valuable than ever. After the Webber trade I would have gone for it, but with Martin, Artest and Salmons now on the team I just can't see it.
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I hated guys like AI and Nash, but after a while you appreciate them for their games, more than being on the opposing team. I feel this is kind of a maturity thing appreciating player's games not just on the Kings. It sure has made watching the Kings games more bearable.

AI is an amazing player, very selfish, but he has/had to be to carry his team like Kobe does in LA. I'd do that trade, at this point I'm all for blowing the team up as it's not going anywhere but downhill. While Artest and AI have had their differences, they are both winners and are very serious about doing it. I think when you get them on the same team, if you do, they will appreciate each other that they are doing the best they can rather than Artest being around guys that play good D and he feels they are slackers.

I'd do this trade. I'd really like Sammy as well as a true Center, I don't know about Hunter, but I think Philly would bite on some expiring contracts to rebuild to Corliss thrown in with maybe even Hart or Potapenko would lessen the bite of K9 if we do insist that is part of the deal. We are both rebuilding teams and both are somewhat unhappy with the CWebb trade so we might not try to deal which each other again, at least not so soon, but you never know. Some GMs really work good together.

While I like Bibby and know his wrist is bothering his shot, I didn't know he is in the same league as AI who is one of the best players in the NBA. Many people might challenge this for hating the guy and how he ball hogs, but the guys is a awesome slasher to the hoop and I really want us to go this route with a true PG like AI, Nash, very dynamic slasher. AI has the flip side of not wanting to distribute, but again he needs to carry the team. I cannot see him as being anything less than a 2 option, probably a #1 option whoever he plays for. This could be very good or very bad if you team Artest and AI together, in the end if they can put their pride aside, I think they will admire each other's drive and will to win.
 
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Troy

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AleksandarN said:
Petrie had a chance to get him about 6 years ago for Jason Williams he did not pull the trigger then and I do not think he will now.
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I really doubt this, while JWill is dynamic and fun to watch, AI and him are in totally different leagues. AI has also carried his team so much and also handicapped them as well. ;)
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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SLAB said:
According to the New York Post, Allen Iverson wants out of Philly.

Just for discussions sake, would you ever consider bringing him in?
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Heh -- you figure if we're going down in flames anyway why not make it spectacular?

I like it! BOOM!! :p
 
LPKingsFan

LPKingsFan

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You know who really ought to go after AI? The Bulls. I like their team a lot and think they have some potential, but they currently need a shake up and could match up well in a trade with Philly. The Bulls already have an aging Ben Wallace, are stacked with defenders that won't clash with AI's need to dominate the ball, and have an abundance of youth to offer Philly for its rebuilding plan.

I think an AI for Deng/Gordon/Brown deal about sounds right, and works under the cap. Bulls get the go-to guy the desperately lack--and still get to retain much of their youth, including the Knicks' pick next year. Meanwhile, Philly gets an Iverson-lite in Gordon, a nice athletic complement to Iggy in Deng, and Brown's expiring deal.
 
Padrino

Padrino

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i don't know why anybody would wanna hitch their team onto AI at this point in his career. he's getting older, and while his durability has been impressive considering the pounding he takes nightly, i don't think he'll hold up. what's more, philly hasn't won anything with AI and a lineup of complimentary players. in fact, they've been losers the past several years, so i don't know why any GM would think that they could do what philly hasn't been able to for the past decade.

GP says no to any trade involving allen iverson.
 
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Rain man

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I think if I saw Bibby and Webber team up again on another team (even this shell of Webber) I would cry.

Not to mention AI and Artest on the same team??? Aren't people already moaning about too much one on one??? What in the world happens to Brad and Kevin in an offense featuring AI and Artest???
 
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Troy

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Rain man said:
I think if I saw Bibby and Webber team up again on another team (even this shell of Webber) I would cry.

Not to mention AI and Artest on the same team??? Aren't people already moaning about too much one on one??? What in the world happens to Brad and Kevin in an offense featuring AI and Artest???
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We are having enought trouble as it is with 1 on 1 ball, having the two biggest ball hogs in AI and Artest on the same team at the same time would really be interesting. I think KMart could survive as a good outside shooter to spread the Defense. I think Brad's days our numbered anyways with the new Defensive strategy and his lack of rebounding and playing inside. He does try to bring the guy guarding him out which opens the lane, but seeing a 7 footer stay outside on the perimeter, when we are so small as it is...is just wrong. He isn't Dirk ok ! :D
 
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Merdiesel

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I'm not going as far as calling Artest a ball hog...
Artest wants to win, the rest of the team is playing like ****, so hes going to try and do what he can to win.
 
Catalyst

Catalyst

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Bringing in Iverson, no matter for who, doesn't really address Sacramento's issues.

We're still a lousy rebounding team that struggles to score, and at times play defense.

Besides our backcourt isn't the problem right now -- our PF/center spots on the other hand...
 
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BMiller52

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Part of me wants the kings to do it and I would love getting Stephen Hunter but with Salmons, Artest, and Martin I can't really see it. It still doesn't fix our inside woes, but our offense might be a bit better.
 
LMM

LMM

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Rain man said:
I think if I saw Bibby and Webber team up again on another team (even this shell of Webber) I would cry.

Not to mention AI and Artest on the same team??? Aren't people already moaning about too much one on one??? What in the world happens to Brad and Kevin in an offense featuring AI and Artest???
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Me too. I get so emotional sometimes. :eek:
 
jon e

jon e

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stephen a smith just said, top 3 destinations for a.i.

1. minnesota - randy foye and others
2. sacramento - mike bibby and others
3. la clippers - corey magette and others

also said that the maloof brothers would be delighted/ excited to bring iverson into sacramento
 
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Troy

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jon e said:
stephen a smith just said, top 3 destinations for a.i.

1. minnesota - randy foye and others
2. sacramento - mike bibby and others
3. la clippers - corey magette and others

also said that the maloof brothers would be delighted/ excited to bring iverson into sacramento
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Please post a link if you find one, the Maloofs are gamblers and they feel they brought Artest here so why not AI too? I think the 2 can coexist, they both want to win and should respect each other for their games and hard work ethic. Man the Clippers are sure shopping Corey, they wanted Artest for him too when Indiana was looking to ship him off! :p I like Corey, but we have enough combo SG types here already.
 
nbrans

nbrans

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jon e said:
stephen a smith just said, top 3 destinations for a.i.

1. minnesota - randy foye and others
2. sacramento - mike bibby and others
3. la clippers - corey magette and others

also said that the maloof brothers would be delighted/ excited to bring iverson into sacramento
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I'm starting to talk myself into it. I mean, Bibby for Iverson? 20 points for 30 points? 5.6 assists for 7.3 assists? A borderline All-Star for a hall of famer?

I mean, at this point, especially with the uncertainty of Bibby's contract situation and how terrible the offense has been, what's there to lose?
 
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ezekielbear

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Troy said:
Please post a link if you find one, the Maloofs are gamblers and they feel they brought Artest here so why not AI too? I think the 2 can coexist, they both want to win and should respect each other for their games and hard work ethic. Man the Clippers are sure shopping Corey, they wanted Artest for him too when Indiana was looking to ship him off! :p I like Corey, but we have enough combo SG types here already.
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What he said is true. I was just watching it.
 
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ezekielbear

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nbrans said:
I'm starting to talk myself into it. I mean, Bibby for Iverson? 20 points for 30 points? 5.6 assists for 7.3 assists? A borderline All-Star for a hall of famer?

I mean, at this point, especially with the uncertainty of Bibby's contract situation and how terrible the offense has been, what's there to lose?
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If it is true, you'd think that Kenny's contract would need to be involved in some sort...along with Bibby's.

Which makes it that much more :D
 
Jechtsphere

Jechtsphere

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I like it, Allen tries to score so much because he has no one in Phillie, he knows how to share the ball and get others involved.

I'd be worried about Artest though, he likes to be the man, the only man around.
 
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