Grades v. Bulls 11/03

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Grand theft basketball.

Artest ( B ) -- started off the game active and once again doing a lot of good things on defense and the glass. On the other end of the court it was a different question as he was once again controlling action...in both good and bad ways. Directing traffic, being aggressive, but also flat out being selfish and just chucking up outside shots with little passing. For the second night in a row grabbed a ton of boards -- something he maybe could have always done at a much higher level throughout his career. Raised his grade consisderably down the stretch as he tried to play the hero. And it could so easily have gone awry and left him with a lousy grade as he was basically just insisting on taking all the shots again. But amidst the bad forces thast nearly sank us he also came up with back to back continuations in the final 2 minutes, and then a quick hitting layup in the final 30 seconds to set the stage for Mike's dramatic three. So end result, forced shots, but made enough big ones in crunch time to set the stage for Mike and Kevin. Without him pouring in 7 pts in the final 2 minutes, they never get a chance to star. So for a big board effort and clutch, if maybe selfish, play down the stretch, a solid grade. In fact the only wart, although its a big ole hairy golfball sized one on the end of his nose, is all the forced shots, and misses, he keeps throwing up.
Thomas ( F ) -- did absolutely nothing out there after a couple of early adventures trying to challenge Wallace inside. Missed a dunk in the early 4th in the face of the interior defense, and fouled out soon therafter after a remarkable 0pts (0-1FG 0-2FT) 3reb 2ast 3TO effort in 32 minutes. He's fortunate Reef was smelly too or this is starting lineup changing stuff.
Miller ( D+ ) -- started off looking very shaky on offense again. Was at least grabbing some boards, and when he finally woke up offensively near the end of the first half the end result was a solid looking statistical half, that was much less so out on the actual court. Started off the third continuing to miss shots and turn it over, but without the rebounding, and found himself on the bench for a long long stretch. Finally got back in once Kenny fouled out after a useless evening in the late 4th, and picked a good time to finally hit a jumper in the final two minutes.
Martin ( A ) -- there was a question whether to "+" this or not after he hit the game winner. Best early moments were on defense -- stepping in front of an errant pass for the easy breakaway, and getting back on the break defensively to step in for a charge. But on offense was struggling to finish in the face of the Bulls' interior shotblockers. But as the half wore on Kevin was about the only guy able to give us any offense at all with the occasional fastbreak layup or backdoor cut. And in the second half he was the guy along with Mike who came alive in the third to bring us back when it looked like we were ready to go down in one of the truly ugly defeats in Sacto franchise history. Lot of easy scores again, but also as his confidence grew was mixing in higher difficulty spinning drives to really put pressure on the Bulls. As did his drawing a lot of fouls (although frankly tonight he and Mike were displaying a healthy mastery of the art of the NBA mini-flop where any contact sends you flying). Still looked like it would all be for naught until an unlikely series of plays opened the door for us and Mike hit one of his huge clutch threes, setting the stage for Kevin to knock down his first (so far as I can recall) regular season game winner.
Bibby ( B- ) -- Almost impossible to grade -- 5-15 shooting? 11 Turnovers? 23pts 9ast and a clutch three wihtout which we are doomed? Impossible. In the first half hit his first two jumpers, then began to really struggle with the rest of the team. Was at least able to sneak in a few points from the line. Along the way tried for the incredibly dubious pts/ast/TO triple double, but came up short....in assists. :eek: Appeared to be vulnerable to having his pocket picked and leaving the dribble behiond him -- maybe his thumb bothering him. And was annoying me by just horribly flopping all over the court on every bit of contact, unfortunately leaving the ball behind when he didn't draw the whistle. Yet it was he and Kevin who woke up in the third to save us, and who finished the Bulls off with clutch shots in the final seconds. MIke hitting the huge three to get us within one, and then ddrawing the Bulkls defense to kick to a wide open Kevin for the winner. As I said, impossible. So I end up giving a B type grade to a guy with 11 TOs. Wow.
Salmons ( C+ ) -- helped some on defense with his length, nothing on offense. But the defensive focus also got him into quick foul trouble.
Reef ( D ) -- was mildly aggressive offensively, but to little effect , and missed shots with Big Ben lurking. Grabbed an occasional board, but looked overmatched in there. Got beat several times in the final minutes by Nocioni inside and ended up gettign pulled in and out int eh final minutes.
Price ( INC ) -- didn't do much in a short first half stint, but the one thing he did do was come from behind on Nocioni for a spectacular basket saving block after Andres has grabbed an o-board on a foul shot. Got back in there finally for the final play and helped cause Duhon's final turnover wiht solid defense. So almost no minutes, but two good defensive plays in that span.
Garcia ( INC ) -- got in briefly in the midst of the early 2nd quarter ugliness after Salmons picked up his three quickies, missed an open three, and got himself banished soon therafter. Reappeared for defensive purposes int eh final seconds. Clearly a spot player with a ridiculously short leashg right now
Corliss ( INC ) -- got the surprise insertion for the first time with about 3 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter, didn't do much, and threw up a couple of ugly shots in the face of a lot of attention he was drawing from the Bulls' defense.


Muss ( B- ) -- Let's see, he routinely plays Artest as a PF, his bench consists of basically 1 guy (Reef), and yet he pulls off a win. Hmmm...sounds familiar. ;) First of all...we absolutely stole this one. We didn't so much win it as we lost it less against an opponent absolutely determined to give it to us. But you have to take those too over the course of a season. And ugly or not, there were once again good signs -- intense defense in the early going helped us survive absolutely horrible offense. And...well, we won. ;) You have to give Muss credit for the defense...and if you do that unfortunately the offense too. Indeed until the final minute or so, it was hard to see Muss doing much of anything as we wonce again ran the main guys huge minutes, only went 1 1/2 deep into the bench, and rarely seemed to run an offensive play. I am not sure how/what to grade Muss on yet. Unsure of the scale. But we won, so a C or lower game where teh only good thing was the defense suddenly becomes a low B where the defense keyed an unlikely win.

Duhon ( A+ ) -- had an absolutely disastrous final minute, throwing the ball away to open the door for us with 15 seconds to go, then inexplicably leaving Kevin wide open for the game winning shot, and then turning it over again to cinch it for us. If we want a backup PG, we could probably pick up Duhon for a Big Mac and a coke right now. Maybe even for KT. Maybe. ;)

Skiles ( ? ) -- helped us along mightily with some very strange substitutions, and then compounded it by drawing up some late game inbounds plays that looked like something you scratch out in the dirt in a pickup game.
 
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Kevin Martin...

A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
#7
Kevin Martin...

A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ :D WOOOO LeTS GO KINGS!!!!
 
#8
kevin definitely an A++++++++

ron --shot poorly again (7/20) but deserves some props for defense, as usual, but also for those late clutch FGs (and 1s)

mike --5/15 fgs but hit a BIG fading away, off-balanced 3 when it mattered most. kinda gave the kings that hope-- the little extra energy to feel lilke they could actually steal this one.

brad -- hit a nice fg late. nothing much otherwise. still missing wide open jumpshots. if those start falling. we're gonna be so much better offensively.

KT -- sheesh. thanks for uhmm........ fouling out? :D
 
#10
i thnk our offense sucked tonight mainly becasue of ron chucking up crappy shots and brad missing wide open jumpers...

also the turnovers as well :)
 
#11
The sad part was when he fouled out and I think Chicago got free throws, I was actually happy about it.

KMoney=infinite A+
yeah me too. if you check the PBP thread, i was like:

"KT fouls a bull. yaaaaaaay! KT fouled out! but FTs for chicago"

LOL but i was still happy.

for some reason muss kept putting him back in every 2 minutes or something! ENOUGH!
 
#12
I know KT didn't add much, but what did SAR do? Nobody is getting on him..

Miller didn't have the best game either.

WTG Martin. I thought Artest played well minus the forcing of shots. Garcia and Salmons did some of the little things that help, as well as Price- even though they all had limited minutes.

Bibby was a little out of control at times, but he is still Mr. Clutch.

What an exciting game!
 
#14
i thnk our offense sucked tonight mainly becasue of ron chucking up crappy shots and brad missing wide open jumpers...

also the turnovers as well :)
maybe the kings need to practice turning it over into the basket, then we'd be undefeatable if we threw the ball the right way and solve our offense problems
 
#15
i thnk our offense sucked tonight mainly becasue of ron chucking up crappy shots and brad missing wide open jumpers...

also the turnovers as well :)
mike had 11 of those. :eek:

i think the TO thing should be cured with more time. plus the wrap on mike's wrist and thumb must not be helping at all. it wouldn't surprise me if he misses tomorrow's game because the hand is overused or something. he just doesn't look good dribbling right now.

at this point, i'm wishing the TOs were all about the bulls D and not the injury.
 
#16
I know KT didn't add much, but what did SAR do? Nobody is getting on him..
SAR didn't do anything to lose the game is pretty much it.

He rebounded at a decent clip. Would have had 9 rebounds if he played starter minutes at the clip he was at. That's what we want out of him.

He shot like dog poo, but 7 shots is not enough to get into the game. 4 of them were jumpers ... which, god only knows why, we love him to take.
 
#17
I know KT didn't add much, but what did SAR do? Nobody is getting on him..

Miller didn't have the best game either.

WTG Martin. I thought Artest played well minus the forcing of shots. Garcia and Salmons did some of the little things that help, as well as Price- even though they all had limited minutes.

Bibby was a little out of control at times, but he is still Mr. Clutch.

What an exciting game!
i wasn't fond of SAR either, especially when he kept on challenging big ben and the bulls' shot blockers and kept getting nothing. but he didn't do a lot of noticeable damage.

there was just something about watching the game and seeing KT suck over and over again i guess.
 
#18
muss porbably couldnt take kenn's whining soo he put him back on the court every two minutes,,,

and reef didnt do anything as well... soo yeh... would like to see artest start at the 4 and maybe salmons at the 3... maybe ron can stop shooting 3's and play more inside at the 4...

not gonna happen though...
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#19
The effort gets an A+. I have never seen a Kings team fight that hard when having to fight through so much. This team is kind of coming together bit by bit.
 
#21
Kevin Martin: Awesome. Nuff said.

Bibby: 11 TO's killed an otherwise good game of 23 points, 9 assists, 4 Boards, and 3 Steals.

Ron: Had as many rebounds as big Ben. Didn't shoot well, but stats of 22 points, 13 rebounds, and 4 assists remind me of another guy that used to play for the Kings. I love his rebounding this year.
 
#22
hey! :(

hehehe...

and SActownkid iss right though...

this team is a whole lot tougher than the kings in the past...

but this teams offense sucks more than any other recent kings team in the past

:p
 
#23
I think I'm most annoyed by the fact that Miller looks less athletic than ever before. He is clearly playing at a level that is below just about everyone else on the court. If his jumper isn't going, he borders on useless.
 
#25
I think I'm most annoyed by the fact that Miller looks less athletic than ever before. He is clearly playing at a level that is below just about everyone else on the court. If his jumper isn't going, he borders on useless.
Agreed. And I thought MAYBE just MAYBE he would improve after playing, er, practicing with the USA team all summer, but apparently not.. :cool:
 
#27
I think I'm most annoyed by the fact that Miller looks less athletic than ever before. He is clearly playing at a level that is below just about everyone else on the court. If his jumper isn't going, he borders on useless.
yeah. I guess I'm more annoyed by brad missing all those wide open shots bibby and co are giving him. Plus because of that, he seems so irrelevant and unproductive out there.

8/8/2 for him tonight on 3/12 fgs. pretty blah.
 
#29
Bibby and Ron's games and grades are a mix of the things they did right at the end, versus all the miscues and one-on-one for most of the game.

Martin just had a solid game and even looked a tiny bit aggressive in the fourth.

Miller needs to get his shot going, because the offense moves better with him on the high post, but it doesn't hurt the other team when he's bricking from the outside. His defense has improved this year and he actually got some boards tonight.

Kenny was a fantasy team nightmare.

The bench needs one of the guards to score. be it Francisco or Douby or Price, one of them has to get minutes and produce. I don't think it will be Salmons, as his outside shot is just plain ugly.

Overall, they need to work on spacing and passing. The spacing in the first half was bad and the passing was not there or was at the wrong moments.
 
#30
Not sure I agree with the grades tonight.

Think you were too rough in some places and too generous in others.

Artest: C-
Bibby: C-
SAR: C-

Why?

Bibby had 11TOs and shot 30%. I don't care what he did on the last shot. That's bad.

Artest did just enough to be average. His defense was decent enough to make his offense just short of average.

SAR rebounded at a 9-10 rebound clip. That's all you've asked him to do. Why would you dock him for it now?
 
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