Muss Arrested

[bozzwell]

Really poor judgement on Muss' part. I don't make millions like Muss, but when I go out and I know that I will get lit I budget for cab rides to/from.

Then again, i've been in situations where I go out for drinks after work, stop drinking after few and make a decision that I am OK to drive. There were probably times when I was not OK to drive. That's the thing with booze it impairs your judgement. So, yes, if this is a first offense and remains the only offense, no reason for fans or management to sour on Muss.

 

[Entity]

What kind of penalties will be accompanied with this. Will it be from the NBA or managment or both and will it be fines or suspensions?

 

[Packt]

Not that it matters, but AP story is on Yahoo's front page.

 

[LilMissDiva]

Yep - 2 vehicle code violations - blew a 0.11, I think, so a DUI or similar seems like the charge. Per Ch. 3 report a minute ago.

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[LilMissDiva]

Really poor judgement on Muss' part. I don't make millions like Muss, but when I go out and I know that I will get lit I budget for cab rides to/from.

Then again, i've been in situations where I go out for drinks after work, stop drinking after few and make a decision that I am OK to drive. There were probably times when I was not OK to drive. That's the thing with booze it impairs your judgement. So, yes, if this is a first offense and remains the only offense, no reason for fans or management to sour on Muss.

The only first for this is probably the first time he's been caught.

I am extremely disappointed.

 

[NikateeN]

I guess im the only one that doesnt care, just over the legal limit is nothing, now if he was blackout drunk thats another story, but i dont see it as a big thing.

 

[LilMissDiva]

I guess im the only one that doesnt care, just over the legal limit is nothing, now if he was blackout drunk thats another story, but i dont see it as a big thing.

There are some of us who do.

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=383235&postcount=34

 

[Packt]

The only first for this is probably the first time he's been caught.

I am extremely disappointed.

As everyone should be. Even if you can excuse the DUI as a first time offense, or nobody got hurt, it's still a huge distraction to the team. Usually its coaches commenting on player's legal issues but this time it's going to be the other way around. That'll be odd to hear.

 

[Cerwindel]

I guess im the only one that doesnt care, just over the legal limit is nothing, now if he was blackout drunk thats another story, but i dont see it as a big thing.

Would you see it as a big deal if he had killed everyone in the car and some innocent family heading to the airport to catch a flight?

This is VERY Serious, Im not exactly sure he should be fired, but heavy fines by MSE and the NBA should be expected. As a coach you are regarded as a leader, the one that makes the proper decisions, this is just very dissapointing.

This IS a big deal, and we should all be thankful that he did not KILL someone including himself. There is a reason why DUI is a serious charge.

-C

 

[Roman]

What kind of penalties will be accompanied with this. Will it be from the NBA or managment or both and will it be fines or suspensions?

My guess is that it will be team penalties.

I don't think the league really interferes in this type of thing. It is relatively minor in terms of "crime" when compared to what they usually get involved in, no?

I would guess the team will step in and try to show that they don't let this sort of thing happen and that Sacramento doesn't condone that type of behavior.

If nothing happens, the phone won't stop ringing from the MADD and SADD type groups. There will be a lot of angry citizens if no one takes action.

 

[Bricklayer]

Teams handle the DUIs I think, although I am not sure how that relates to the league's substance abuse policies.

But now as a coach, a professional in a suit representing the league, I could see the league taking a harder look. This wasn't some 20yr uneducated kid who just got $2mil dumped in his bank account here. This was one of the prominent, and theoretically classy adults who are suppsoed to be teaching those kids. Don't know though -- as mentioned, I am having trouble recalling another coach who got a DUI. Remember Doug Moe had a rep as a drinker, but don't think he was ever arrested for it.

 

[VF21]

The only first for this is probably the first time he's been caught.

I am extremely disappointed.

I think we need to be careful not to get too carried away with pillorizing Musselman over this.

Did he drink and drive? Apparently. Is there any reason to believe this is a common occurence? Nope. And I'm sure it would have come out during all the scrutiny he was subjected to prior to him being selected as coach.

People are human; they make mistakes in judgment. From what I'm hearing, he is very sorry about this and going to try to do whatever he can to make amends.

We all make the occasional mistake. I don't think Musselman deserves a pass but I don't think he deserves to be totally villefied for this, either.

It's pretty easy to understand how it happened. First win at home as the new coach of the Sacramento Kings; out with friends celebrating and having a few drinks. (He wasn't falling down drunk, remember.) Making a poor decision that he could still drive...

I abhor drunk driving. I've said so quite vehemently. BUT there's a big difference between a one-time situation like I hope this is (and really believe to be the case) and the habitual drunk who parties every night or weekend, is always out there on the road, and just hasn't been caught yet.

Yes, drunk driving is a serious charge. What COULD have happened is one thing; what did happen is another. If Musselman and the Kings can use this episode to further the "don't drink and drive" program, like other one-time offenders I've known, then that would be my biggest hope.

I think we all need to remember that none of us is perfect.

 

[joejoe]

DUI is a misdemeanor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor

Contrast this with felonies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony

I wonder what other types of misdemeanors would elicit the same response as DUI.

 

[Bricklayer]

DUI is a misdemeanor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor

Contrast this with felonies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony

I wonder what other types of misdemeanors would elicit the same response as DUI.

Probably the other ones that kill 20,000 Americans every year.

 

[joejoe]

Probably the other ones that kill 20,000 Americans every year.

You're missing the point. A DUI MAY lead to murder. If it DOES, then it becomes a felony.

It just seems like there are far worse actions that would warrant such harsh comments. Does he abuse people around him? Did he rape anyone? Did he steal? These seem to speak more toward an unwanted character than what is likely poor judgement.

 

[BudWright]

To Roman: I don't think speculating on any issue is a positive thing. He made a horrible mistake (we lost 5 family members in one accident with a drunk driver) and has apoligized and said he was embarrassed. Hopefully the Kings organization will take the proper steps necessary and he has learned a lesson about stupidity, drinking and driving. And we move on.......

Prophetess: There is an article in The Dreaded Sacramento Bee on their website with some facts that I thought was thorough.

I think we are all disappointed, but I bet there isn't one person on this site that has not make a mistake in their life, so I hope we move forward with a good season. Annie

 

[VF21]

Here's the official comment from Petrie, as taken from the Bee article in post #136:

In a statement released Saturday, Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie said, "I received a phone call from Eric at approximately 6 a.m. this morning, notifying me that he was arrested and charged with a DUI violation. He was very apologetic and ashamed for the lack of discretion leading to this situation.

"On behalf of the Kings organization, we are very disappointed in the poor personal behavior which precipitated this incident. We also believe Eric will face this adversity honestly and appropriately. Eric will be available to talk to the media prior to Sunday morning's practice."

You do NOT want to try and gloss over this incident. There are too many people who have lost friends and family to drunk drivers. I think BudWright (or Annie, in this case) has made some good points above. And I concur. We are disappointed but none of us has gone through life without making the occasional mistake. It's how you learn from that mistake that matters. As KevinMartinsGirl23 said, "Once is a mistake. Twice is a pattern..."

 

[Sluggah]

everyone here who has ever enjoyed a glass of wine or two at a nice dinner out, or a get together at a relative's house has driven drunk.

unless of course you carry around a breathalyzer at all times. and make sure you're not over an arbitrary legal limit. which I wouldn't expect from anyone.

how one person's body deals with a .03 difference in BAC is no way indicitave of how someone elses body deals with it.

lets not get too holier-than-thou when plenty of questions remain

 

[Elektrik]

No i don't think so. This is a non issue for me. As long as nobody got hurt i could care less about it. In fact i liked C-Webb more when i found out he was smoking. lol It was probably some Rick Adelman loving cop that wanted to has his 15 min by getting back at the organization.

???? There is so much fundamentally wrong with this post in so many ways. Non issue? Drinking and driving? Could care less? Like C. Webb more??? and as far as Rick Adeleman goes....he hasn't ever been arrested for a DUI has he. What the hell has Musselhead done but get his *** arrested. Tell me this post is a joke or at least sarcasm. You can't be for real can you?????

 

[VF21]

???? There is so much fundamentally wrong with this post in so many ways. Non issue? Drinking and driving? Could care less? Like C. Webb more??? and as far as Rick Adeleman goes....he hasn't ever been arrested for a DUI has he. What the hell has Musselhead done but get his *** arrested. Tell me this post is a joke or at least sarcasm. You can't be for real can you?????

Please refrain from the personal attacks. Thanks.

 

[NikateeN]

Would you see it as a big deal if he had killed everyone in the car and some innocent family heading to the airport to catch a flight?

This is VERY Serious, Im not exactly sure he should be fired, but heavy fines by MSE and the NBA should be expected. As a coach you are regarded as a leader, the one that makes the proper decisions, this is just very dissapointing.

This IS a big deal, and we should all be thankful that he did not KILL someone including himself. There is a reason why DUI is a serious charge.

-C

I know im gonna come off as a huge *******, but no i still wouldnt care, there is so much bad that goes on in this world every day that i cant bother to care about some people dying in a car accident, no matter who is to blame, life happens, and i dont know those people, why should i care? Now if it was somebody i cared for thats a different story, but again, life happens.

How about those people that are too busy drinking coffee, or talkin on cell phones, or just not paying attention? Thats not just as bad to you? I had a buddy that got killed in an accident a few years ago cuzz some dumb chick was text messaging on her phone and ran the light, i know its not as bad as drinking, but maybe it should be considered.

My bottom line is, he didnt kill anybody, he drank a little and drove, and got busted for it, maybe he will learn, maybe not, the way i grew up i saw a lot worse, ive had people in my neighborhood shot in the head over nickels and dimes, so when petty stuff like this goes down, it means nothing to me.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Sad and disapointing. Guess we find out quick what Mus is made of. Hope he mans up takes responsablity and makes no excuses. If he is an alcoholic I hope he gets help. As for the team I hope this distraction does not derail them/

 

[Cerwindel]

I know im gonna come off as a huge *******, but no i still wouldnt care, there is so much bad that goes on in this world every day that i cant bother to care about some people dying in a car accident, no matter who is to blame, life happens, and i dont know those people, why should i care? Now if it was somebody i cared for thats a different story, but again, life happens.

How about those people that are too busy drinking coffee, or talkin on cell phones, or just not paying attention? Thats not just as bad to you? I had a buddy that got killed in an accident a few years ago cuzz some dumb chick was text messaging on her phone and ran the light, i know its not as bad as drinking, but maybe it should be considered.

My bottom line is, he didnt kill anybody, he drank a little and drove, and got busted for it, maybe he will learn, maybe not, the way i grew up i saw a lot worse, ive had people in my neighborhood shot in the head over nickels and dimes, so when petty stuff like this goes down, it means nothing to me.

The problem with an attitude like that is that you are dismissing the physical act as "OK" behaviour, the things that happened when you were young were also wrong, but you cant just ignore the fact that this was wrong, and brush it off saying that "I don't care, Oh wait unless it is someone I cared for" Is a ridiculus statement, complete rubbish. If you feel that these acts are "petty" and would feel the same if he killed a family because " There is too much going on in this world, so them dying by this petty act is ok by me, well as long as nobody I cared for was a part of it."

Wow, Just wow...

I wont say more, otherwise it will get ugly.

-C

 

[rhythmless]

legal limit is .08. they classify .08 as one drink, one shot, one glass of wine, to be metabolized in an hour. if you take a shot and drive, thats .08. maybe hes a little skinnier. maybe he had 3 beers, and left in 2 hours from wherever. .08 is a number, and you people have to understand that this is a number set by the government, used to generalize the public. a .11 does not signify a drinking problem. it signifies MAYBE 2, 3 drinks in a couple hours. jump the gun a little much? god damn

 

[Bricklayer]

I know im gonna come off as a huge *******,

You are correct.

but no i still wouldnt care, there is so much bad that goes on in this world every day that i cant bother to care about some people dying in a car accident, no matter who is to blame, life happens, and i dont know those people, why should i care? Now if it was somebody i cared for thats a different story, but again, life happens.

And after establishing THAT...wow, well I don't think there's much else you are going to say in this thread that I am going to pay attention to. No empathy + no social conscience = an inherent inability to grasp the seriousness of actions which damage others.

 

[Kingzrool]

Sad and disapointing. Guess we find out quick what Mus is made of. Hope he mans up takes responsablity and makes no excuses. If he is an alcoholic I hope he gets help. As for the team I hope this distraction does not derail them/

Could not agree more.

This is a crazy thread! Talk about extremism. We got those who don't think it would have mattered even if he killed a slew of innocents and those who are ready to fire or even physically assault him (a Mod condoning vigallante style violence??). Put me somewhere in the middle. Jeesh!

 

[SLAB]

I think we need to be careful not to get too carried away with pillorizing Musselman over this.

Did he drink and drive? Apparently. Is there any reason to believe this is a common occurence? Nope. And I'm sure it would have come out during all the scrutiny he was subjected to prior to him being selected as coach.

People are human; they make mistakes in judgment. From what I'm hearing, he is very sorry about this and going to try to do whatever he can to make amends.

We all make the occasional mistake. I don't think Musselman deserves a pass but I don't think he deserves to be totally villefied for this, either.

It's pretty easy to understand how it happened. First win at home as the new coach of the Sacramento Kings; out with friends celebrating and having a few drinks. (He wasn't falling down drunk, remember.) Making a poor decision that he could still drive...

I abhor drunk driving. I've said so quite vehemently. BUT there's a big difference between a one-time situation like I hope this is (and really believe to be the case) and the habitual drunk who parties every night or weekend, is always out there on the road, and just hasn't been caught yet.

Yes, drunk driving is a serious charge. What COULD have happened is one thing; what did happen is another. If Musselman and the Kings can use this episode to further the "don't drink and drive" program, like other one-time offenders I've known, then that would be my biggest hope.

I think we all need to remember that none of us is perfect.

This needs to be read and re-read by everybody.

VF, you have stated it perfectly.

 

[Sirius]

Whether or not you think this is a big deal or not (I personally don't think it is), it's still extremely bad timing. The season hasn't even started yet and he'll likely be questioned about it all year, and it'll likely hurt the arena talks more.
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[BMiller52]

So who wants to start the fire Musselman threads?

 

[Bricklayer]

it signifies MAYBE 2, 3 drinks in a couple hours. jump the gun a little much? god damn

Um..your math is a little faulty, and not sure where you got 1 drink in an hour = .08.

http://www.colostate.edu/Dept/CFDAE/bachart.shtml

At Muss's size he would have had to had 5 drinks in an hour, then maintained with at least 1 more drink per hour therafter (your body processes about 1 an hour I believe) in order to get to .11.