Quality-of-Life straw poll

Do you support the quality-of-life ballot measure?


  • Total voters
    54
#31
as i see it the city gets a few crumbs from the deal. The Maloofs get their new arena and for the next 30 years they jack up the prices on all venues over and over again after we the people paid for this arena. Sounds like a great way to be taxed twice.
 
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#32
I would prefer to live in a city that I can feel safe in. A city I could walk anywhere at any hour and not have to worry about being gunned down or assaulted.
What city are you talking about? You act like crime is exclusive to Sacramento. If you go to any city that built an arena, they still have safety issues. That's why it is called a city. City has crime arena or no arena. If anything, this projext will help that issue downtown. it is not the end all to be all, but it would help more than hinder.
 
#33
as i see it the city gets a few crumbs from the deal. The Maloofs get their new arena and for the next 30 years they jack up the prices on all venues over and over again after we the people paid for this arena. Sounds like a great way to be taxed twice.
Is this the best deal the city could have gotten? Probably not, although it compares pretty favorably with other recent arena deals in similar-sized cities. But to state it as this bad is just a ridiculous and totally distorted exaggeration.:rolleyes:

And safety in a city will always depend more on people being good citizens and helping each other, than on ever increasing numbers of police officers.
 
#34
as i see it the city gets a few crumbs from the deal. The Maloofs get their new arena and for the next 30 years they jack up the prices on all venues over and over again after we the people paid for this arena. Sounds like a great way to be taxed twice.
Dang, I want some crumbs because they'll be millions of them.

Can we just deal with one arena at a time? I mean isn't this one difficult enough without having to worry about 30 years from now?
 
#36
The poll is a great idea, don't know how scientific it is being placed on a Kings fans website though. Then again scientific results may not be the purpose of the poll. Not excited about the measure at all, but I'm not a sac county resident so it doesn't really matter, if it passes in Nov. I will be far from heart-broken because the Kings will stay in town.
 
#37
Well nice job hanging in there Green. I thought you made a legitimate argument for why you won't support this and I can respect that. Not my job to change your mind, I know people don’t see things the way I do nor do I expect that. How boring would that be?

I do support this measure but only because it relates to the Kings and them leaving. If this was for a team I didn't like then there is no question in my mind… I wouldn’t support it. So I understand the nay side. In the end it’s about what you feel is best for you and your community.
 
#38
The poll is a great idea, don't know how scientific it is being placed on a Kings fans website though.
It's definitely NOT a scientific poll, but merely a straw poll of a cross-section of (presumably) Kings fans to see what they think SO FAR.

The results at this writing: 39 FOR 2 AGAINST.

Now, does this mean that Kings fans are "blind" to the facts, or does it mean thay they are more open to how this deal evolved and the terms that were settled upon?

If most of the voters in the straw poll have read much of the thread-work here on the issues, then I would say that they are far more informed about the tax/arena costs, benefits, and issues for all residents than are the typical Joe and Jill Q. Public who are polled by the media.
 
#39
I would prefer to live in a city that I can feel safe in. A city I could walk anywhere at any hour and not have to worry about being gunned down or assaulted. Look at how the rehibilitation is going for the K street mall. Wonderful example of all the false promises and hopes. They told us that K street mall would be a great mall. There used to be thursday night markets and people went there. But what happened? Ahh yes the hood took over and the violence closed it down. Yet the area has had millions of dollars thrown at it and it's still a Stinker. Just because there will be a new arena on land that is toxic doesnt mean all the problems in sacramento will go away even with a few dollars earmarked for these problems. Just a few weeks ago there was a gang shootout in front of the K-Street mall. Sacramento has a lot of problems that it needs to take care of, and throwing 500 million dollars at an arena and improvements in the infrasturcture of a superfund site wont do a lick of good. If this city had a grip on it's debt and it's infrastructure was top notch I would be for the arena. But the city is going farther and farther into the red. Violence in this city is out of controll. Sacramento has a lot more urgent issues to deal with than buying an arena for the rich and putting the cost off on the rest of us.
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So I am guessing that this poster is one of the two "no" votes? :D
 
#41
My dad has been a season ticket holder since '85 and is bummed he can't vote on the issue living in Granite Bay...technically Placer County! That sucks because that means me too!
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#42
I'm going to unsticky this but people are more than welcome to continue talking about it and voting in the straw poll. My thought is we should probably reserve the stickied items for reference type threads.

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#43
It's a public poll, kupman. Click on any of the numbers - and voila! The names are revealed.

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Sometimes I think my dry sense of humor goes unappreciated here.:D So anyway, I clicked on the numbers and was SHOCKED to see Wert in the "no" column. That must have been some kind of typo or mistake - kind of like a hanging chad. I was counting on Wert's 'yes' vote. Next somebody is going to tell me that ArenaSkeptic may be voting no.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#44
Sometimes I think my dry sense of humor goes unappreciated here.:D So anyway, I clicked on the numbers and was SHOCKED to see Wert in the "no" column. That must have been some kind of typo or mistake - kind of like a hanging chad. I was counting on Wert's 'yes' vote. Next somebody is going to tell me that ArenaSkeptic may be voting no.
If Steve Cohn or Dave Jones shows up, I may become just a little afraid.

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