We might as well keep Jason Hart and let his contract expire at the end of this year. Nobody wants him and he wouldn't be to bad to have around as insurance in case Douby can't play the point. I don't see the need to desperately try to trade someone with no value when he only has 1.8 Million and one year left on his deal. Keep him and let him ride pine, or use him as a throw-in in another trade. Either way, it doesn't matter...
In Petrie we trust!
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You don't understand why the Kings would try to trade someone with "no value"?
Jason Hart exercised his player option for his second year. It's really clear he didn't fulfill expectations for us, so to keep him would be silly if there's any way at all to move him.
No one has said anything about desperation being involved. I think most people are simply saying he's now totally redundant and if he can be used to help balance a trade or even if he could be moved for a future draft pick it would be worth it...
Jason Hart exercised his player option for his second year. It's really clear he didn't fulfill expectations for us, so to keep him would be silly if there's any way at all to move him.
No one has said anything about desperation being involved. I think most people are simply saying he's now totally redundant and if he can be used to help balance a trade or even if he could be moved for a future draft pick it would be worth it...
Everyone is talking about how this affects Bonzi. Am I the only one thinking the acquisition of Quincy Douby just might make Jason Hart redundant?
IMHO, this has absolutely nothing to do with Bonzi and everything to do with Jason Hart and Ronnie Price.
What I find quite laughable is people who are bagging this pick by saying QD is not a PG and is undersized SG but quite a large majority of those same people were all for bringing back Bobby Jackson to back up Bibby.
Last time I checked Bobby is not a PG either and is more of a SG trapped in a small PG's body. This pick will work out fine. Since the 1995 draft, Petrie has selected only one player that didn't have a good NBA carrer (TA-W) while others have all had solid NBA careers and the last 2 picks leading into this draft are showing a lot of promise. I am confident Quincy Douby will be a solid NBA player and he WILL be a back up PG. If not this year then possibly by next season.
It would be "silly" to keep him? Why? Because we need to dump his whopping $1.8 Million dollar contract to free us up for other moves? Or maybe we need to get a better 12th man to make our title run!
Also, we gave up a second round draft pick for him. I don't know what anyone else was expecting from him, but I sure wasn't thinking he would be anything good, he could barely crack the starting lineup for the worst team in the league. Like I said earlier, our options are to use him as a throw-in to make a trade work, or keep him and let him ride pine until his contract is up. Or maybe we could trade him straight up for another 12th man which would accomplish nothing because they would both would never play anyways.
He's not going to get moved for a draft pick...he's not worth it.
Also, we gave up a second round draft pick for him. I don't know what anyone else was expecting from him, but I sure wasn't thinking he would be anything good, he could barely crack the starting lineup for the worst team in the league. Like I said earlier, our options are to use him as a throw-in to make a trade work, or keep him and let him ride pine until his contract is up. Or maybe we could trade him straight up for another 12th man which would accomplish nothing because they would both would never play anyways.
He's not going to get moved for a draft pick...he's not worth it.
The Douy pick made no sense at all given the Kings current roster... but who thiks or even wants the the current roster to remain intact?
A 3rd SG was hardly a need BUT as others have suggested he might be able to paly point ala instant offense. Perhaps MORE importantly givne the other players available it was an interesting gamble... draft a guy you don't really need at a slot your 2-3 deep at already see how he does and you may be able to make him part aof a deal later on next year that brings in a guy you do need.
I agree that things now look bleek for Hart. Traded alone he will not bring and will not buy much relife... BUT as an expering contract bundled with a couple others a team looking to enter next years FA market might be gald to take him. Sure WE all think he sucks but I bet there are still GM's who might give him try. The one thing you do have to hand the guy is he hustles.
Bottom line is Douby may not turn out to be a bizare pick turned gold like Pedaja or even a Kevin Martin (Thank you very much Yoda) But he could turn out to be one of the best bargens to be had with a 19th pick... time will tell.
A 3rd SG was hardly a need BUT as others have suggested he might be able to paly point ala instant offense. Perhaps MORE importantly givne the other players available it was an interesting gamble... draft a guy you don't really need at a slot your 2-3 deep at already see how he does and you may be able to make him part aof a deal later on next year that brings in a guy you do need.
I agree that things now look bleek for Hart. Traded alone he will not bring and will not buy much relife... BUT as an expering contract bundled with a couple others a team looking to enter next years FA market might be gald to take him. Sure WE all think he sucks but I bet there are still GM's who might give him try. The one thing you do have to hand the guy is he hustles.
Bottom line is Douby may not turn out to be a bizare pick turned gold like Pedaja or even a Kevin Martin (Thank you very much Yoda) But he could turn out to be one of the best bargens to be had with a 19th pick... time will tell.
Possibly, but I think he'll able to some degree at least. Hell, Petrie even talked about his versatility on scoring aside from shooting, scoring in the lane and to the basket. Don't recall Bilas/Greg Anthony (say what you want about him, sometimes I don't agree with him, but an ex-NBA point guard who was defensive-minded and played in a lot of big games) saying anything about it. The no hand-checking rule should help. Not clear what his rotation spot will be yet, the rest of the off-season will help further that along a lot. Then, of course once the season starts.
So, with that or not, you saying 2-4 years means he won't be like Eddie House. Which he isn't right now, and coming out of college as the better basketball prospect.
So, with that or not, you saying 2-4 years means he won't be like Eddie House
. Which he isn't right now, and coming out of college as the better basketball prospect.
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In Petrie we trust?
I trust that Geoff Petrie will always love a shooter.
Other than that... let's not get too carried away. He's made some very good deals during his time with the Kings, which should not be forgotten, but the "Trust Petrie" movement has always seemed silly to me. He's every bit as capable of ****ing up as the rest of us are.
I trust that Geoff Petrie will always love a shooter.
Other than that... let's not get too carried away. He's made some very good deals during his time with the Kings, which should not be forgotten, but the "Trust Petrie" movement has always seemed silly to me. He's every bit as capable of ****ing up as the rest of us are.
Douby played...guard. He was NOT a PG. He was basically A.I. in his junior year. Dribble the ball up, see if he had a shot. Dribble the ball some more, see if he had a shot. Dribble the ball some more... Every once in while he would make a token pass to a teammate who would normally pass it right back to him so he could dribble around some more looking for a shot. That's not a PG, just a guy who handles the ball a lot. On the other hand, at least he handled the ball a lot -- this is not a catch and shoot guy.
Even so, he was NOT the PG. That would have been some kid named Farmer, although as I recall his job was mostly just to, you guessed it, dribble it on up, and give it to Quincy.
Even so, he was NOT the PG. That would have been some kid named Farmer, although as I recall his job was mostly just to, you guessed it, dribble it on up, and give it to Quincy.
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answer me this since i got your attention. Why did the same ppl that wanted old injury prone Bobby jackson back saying this is a bad pick. he is a much better shooter than bobby and plays better defense. then you had some wanting Earl Boykins which is a guard like Douby. He was Drfted as a sparkplug off the bench something we didn't have last year from the pg spot. Not to mention none of us really know the style Muss is goning to use. So why knock it. this may be exactly what the doctor ordered for him. I mean getting a big man was not possible as they were all gone. Now with all this being said. What if Bibby was gone and we had that offense running pass happy pg in the starting role. Would Douby be the perfect sparkplug, change of pace backup pg we would need?
Speaking for myself, I was really hoping for us to get someone ... well... taller.
Since my initial reaction, however, I have come around to feeling - as I usually do - that Petrie most likely knew what he was doing. I do know I didn't see a lot of outside shooting if Bibby was on the bench last year. And the idea of Artest and Miller being our second and third choice for beyond the arc didn't fill me with glee. If this kid can step in and provide some outside offense to complement Martin driving inside and Garcia doing the PG duties, then our second unit just got a LOT more interesting.
Since my initial reaction, however, I have come around to feeling - as I usually do - that Petrie most likely knew what he was doing. I do know I didn't see a lot of outside shooting if Bibby was on the bench last year. And the idea of Artest and Miller being our second and third choice for beyond the arc didn't fill me with glee. If this kid can step in and provide some outside offense to complement Martin driving inside and Garcia doing the PG duties, then our second unit just got a LOT more interesting.
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Well Bobby Jackson is a proven guard. we know what he can do and how he performs. Douby is a good pick but who knows what will happen. What if he becomes another Ronnie Price? What if he doesn't perform up to expectations? It will take at least 1 year to get this guy ready to play some serious backup PG minutes. I just don't think he will amaze everyone right away especially with his skinny body that is not ready for the NBA. Bobby Jackson was tough when goes and drives in the lane and his body could stand the physical contact while making the hoop.
Well my first reaction was a bit of disappointment, the kind you get when you were expecting bad news anyway, and it was basically just confirmed. Yes I was hoping for a big guy or PG, but I also know Petrie will take the BPA every time rather than drafting for need.
Geoff knows what he's doing. He saw something in Douby he wanted. Honestly, I think that Francisco should be worried right now.
Picking up J-Will afterward made me feel even better about the draft. It's impossible to be very disappointed when you're drafting #19... if we get anyone who can contribute at all next season, that's at least a B+ drafting performance.
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Geoff knows what he's doing. He saw something in Douby he wanted. Honestly, I think that Francisco should be worried right now.
Picking up J-Will afterward made me feel even better about the draft. It's impossible to be very disappointed when you're drafting #19... if we get anyone who can contribute at all next season, that's at least a B+ drafting performance.
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Ok, he's not a pure point guard, but he can back up Bibby. He's got a good skillset to become that. Yes, he's not a playmaker, but we don't need that off the bench. We need scoring, explosive attacks to the rim, three pointers, getting to the FT line. Douby has the potential to bring all of that. And he's got a great wingspan for a PG, he's quick with his feet and is tenacious- all the tools of a good defender.
take a look at Bojax when he came in the league he couldn't hit the rim from nba 3 point range and had no defensive skills. One of those changed the other stayed the same. Douby is as good right now as Bobby was his 3rd season in the nba.
I am sure we all wish that QD has a long and wonderful career with the Kings. Let's not belittle Bobby for this though who played so well and with so much passion for so many years for the Kings. I though Bobby played great defense at his position.
I am sure we all wish that QD has a long and wonderful career with the Kings. Let's not belittle Bobby for this though who played so well and with so much passion for so many years for the Kings. I though Bobby played great defense at his position.
I don't know about the rest of you, but....
I would have loved to see the kings get Jordan Farmer. I watched a lot of the Pac 10 games this year, and I think he is going to be a stud. He's a little inconsistent at times, but he had the ability to take over a game and carried the Bruins on his back many times last year during games when it seemed like they were done in for. I believe that if he would have stayed one more year in college he would have been a top 5 pick next year. He would have been a great change in pace coming off the bench for Bibby.
I would have loved to see the kings get Jordan Farmer. I watched a lot of the Pac 10 games this year, and I think he is going to be a stud. He's a little inconsistent at times, but he had the ability to take over a game and carried the Bruins on his back many times last year during games when it seemed like they were done in for. I believe that if he would have stayed one more year in college he would have been a top 5 pick next year. He would have been a great change in pace coming off the bench for Bibby.
Farmar? The guy is a project-esque PG who isn't much of a defender. Douby's a better defender than him, and will have the ability to in the NBA with his length and quickness. Along with added weight, which he said he will be all over this summer. Douby's the better scorer and shooter, Farmar's the better passer, but he tends to get wild sometimes and is turn-over prone in that and along with his small hands. Douby's more NBA-ready, Kupchak said Farmar's a year or two way from being ready, and played two years at UCLA.
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I'm a UCLA fan, so I want to love Farmar and understand the positives he brings to a team. However, he is a terrible fit for the Lakers and would have been for us too. His biggest weaknesses (look it up on any draft site) are defence and shooting. He is a pure PG, who will be a great distributer. Think of a poor man's Steve Nash, maybe a healthier version of Jamal Tinsley. He is the exact opposite of what we needed. I appreciate Farmar and hope he has a successful NBA carrer, but he is a couple year away from correcting his issus, which are big for us now.
Farmar would have been a great fit on a team like Dallas, where he could penetrate, score inside, and create shots for great shooters. However, we need to accept that no longer descibes our team. Douby is a better fit as a shooter and gives us more depth should we lose or teade Bonzi/Martin/Garcia.
Like I say, this may be something where legitimately despite whatever reason you had Kevin there, maybe you work him for fewer minutes. As a known rotation guy, not as if you'd want to get him hurt anyway. Or maybe you just have him play in a few games, and then turn the rest fo them over to the other guys. In any case, the people we should really be looking at here are Williams, Nicholson and Amundson up front, Monia at the SF, and Price & Douby at PG. Kevin, and to lesser degree Cisco, are young enough to be ok and free to split those OG minutes, but this is one summer camp where we actually have some people we need to take a look at and make some decisions about, and its not those two.