Trade Shareef??
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So it's Bonzi's fault we went 2-4?
There isn't a person on this board who doesn't want to see us get better in the front court, except for some Laker fans. But you have to be realistic. I really like Kevin Martin and his potential but I simply do not think he's ready to be the starting 2-guard for the Sacramento Kings and I certainly don't think he could fill in Bonzi's minutes as backup for Artest.
Keep one very important fact in mind: Bonzi Wells is a free agent. We cannot simply sign and trade him. It would have to be a situation he would be amenable to. He wants to stay, the Maloofs want him to stay, the majority of fans want him to stay. I cannot think of a situation where Bonzi would agree to a sign and trade just to help out the team that's now tossing him aside.
There isn't a person on this board who doesn't want to see us get better in the front court, except for some Laker fans. But you have to be realistic. I really like Kevin Martin and his potential but I simply do not think he's ready to be the starting 2-guard for the Sacramento Kings and I certainly don't think he could fill in Bonzi's minutes as backup for Artest.
Keep one very important fact in mind: Bonzi Wells is a free agent. We cannot simply sign and trade him. It would have to be a situation he would be amenable to. He wants to stay, the Maloofs want him to stay, the majority of fans want him to stay. I cannot think of a situation where Bonzi would agree to a sign and trade just to help out the team that's now tossing him aside.
I'm trying to be realistic, trading Kenny Thomas for another big is not going to get us anyone we need. Trading SAR for another big is like taking a step backward to take a step forward. Trading Jason Hart will get us a sack of marbles and a few baseball cards. I guess we could trade Garcia, but how much would he really bring in a trade? I imagine it wouldn't be that much. We could also trade our expiring contracts and take on a bigger salary. But would the Maloofs really take on another big salary and then go ahead and give Bonzi a big deal? I doubt it.
I'm confident Geoff could find a taker in a S&T and I really don't think Bonzi is going to refuse a Sign and Trade if a team is willing to give him his money. It's either that or sign somewhere else for the MLE. If Bonzi is left with those two options, I'm pretty sure he'd agree to the trade. Brad Miller agreed to a sign and trade and he helped out the Pacers, "the team that was tossing him aside."
I'm confident Geoff could find a taker in a S&T and I really don't think Bonzi is going to refuse a Sign and Trade if a team is willing to give him his money. It's either that or sign somewhere else for the MLE. If Bonzi is left with those two options, I'm pretty sure he'd agree to the trade. Brad Miller agreed to a sign and trade and he helped out the Pacers, "the team that was tossing him aside."
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We'll have to agree to disagree. Having seen the reactions of the Maloofs up close and personal (I was at the game where 17,317 fans stood and chanted "Bonzi! Bonzi! Bonzi!"), I'm reasonably sure they're going to tell Petrie to give him a nice new deal.
You're making an assumption that Petrie is dead-set on upgrading at the 4 via a trade. I'm not sure that's the situation at all right now. The primary needs are at center and backup point slots. Yes, a lot of us feel there's a gaping oozing hole at the 4, but it appears the Kings still might have faith in SAR's ability to fill that role. After all, he was the one Petrie set out to get...
We'll just have to wait and see, but if I was a betting person, I'd bet Bonzi gets a decent offer and accepts it.
You're making an assumption that Petrie is dead-set on upgrading at the 4 via a trade. I'm not sure that's the situation at all right now. The primary needs are at center and backup point slots. Yes, a lot of us feel there's a gaping oozing hole at the 4, but it appears the Kings still might have faith in SAR's ability to fill that role. After all, he was the one Petrie set out to get...
We'll just have to wait and see, but if I was a betting person, I'd bet Bonzi gets a decent offer and accepts it.
I don't want to upgrade the 4, I like what SAR brings to the table. I'd like at least one good 4/5 guy with a defensive mindset that would give us a solid 3-4 man rotation at the 4/5.
But in all honesty, if I had to bet on it too, I would say you are right and that Bonzi is back. I won't cry about it, he's a good player. But I really do think we will be looking at a similar frontcourt with maybe 1 or 2 players that bring minimal upgrades. We won't see anything huge, just a small improvement IMO.
But in all honesty, if I had to bet on it too, I would say you are right and that Bonzi is back. I won't cry about it, he's a good player. But I really do think we will be looking at a similar frontcourt with maybe 1 or 2 players that bring minimal upgrades. We won't see anything huge, just a small improvement IMO.
One of Brad/KT will be gone, I absolutely expect that. We'll be getting a defensive big to replace whoever goes. There are a whole group of bigs that can be had for Brad or KT and would be bring what we need in the front-court in solidity or quality. It's unlikely we get KG or Ben Wallace, but there are still starting bigs out there who can be had and would fit into what we want for our FC. In free-agency, value of Nene/Pryzbilla/Nazr is likely too much for us.
Then, get a back-up center in FA or the draft, since we don't have one right now. Potapenko is not a certainity and isn't going to be relevant to our main FC. Right now, he's still the back-up center, but who honestly sees him staying around as that? At best on this team he'll be a third C, it's either that, or he's out.
Brad Miller/Kenny Thomas/Shareef/Potapenko - average, and obviously not planned, like that because of trades not purposed for the FC.
Then, get a back-up center in FA or the draft, since we don't have one right now. Potapenko is not a certainity and isn't going to be relevant to our main FC. Right now, he's still the back-up center, but who honestly sees him staying around as that? At best on this team he'll be a third C, it's either that, or he's out.
Brad Miller/Kenny Thomas/Shareef/Potapenko - average, and obviously not planned, like that because of trades not purposed for the FC.
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Oddly, I think that not only was that his finest moment of the season, it was one of the finest of his career.
Unfortunately he only does 1 thing a big man should -- post game.
Kenny also does only 1 thing a big man should -- rebound.
Brad meanwhile does nothing a big man should, but a lot of things that a guard should.
3 fatally flawed pieces. Somebody has to go. I'd prefer two somebodies with one of them being KT. Either way here is what I saw in the playoffs against a top team -- our little man combo of Bonzi/Ron caused them nightmares. Meanwhile our frontcourt was complete garbage. Beyond SARs one big game 2, the ENTIRE frontcourt was complete garbage. Did absolutely nothing to show they belonged in a contest that matters. So time to ship somebody out, and not a tear shed.
Unfortunately he only does 1 thing a big man should -- post game.
Kenny also does only 1 thing a big man should -- rebound.
Brad meanwhile does nothing a big man should, but a lot of things that a guard should.
3 fatally flawed pieces. Somebody has to go. I'd prefer two somebodies with one of them being KT. Either way here is what I saw in the playoffs against a top team -- our little man combo of Bonzi/Ron caused them nightmares. Meanwhile our frontcourt was complete garbage. Beyond SARs one big game 2, the ENTIRE frontcourt was complete garbage. Did absolutely nothing to show they belonged in a contest that matters. So time to ship somebody out, and not a tear shed.
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Like somebody said before sar is not a 20 and 10 guy more in the lines of a 20 and 6-7, his problem is not scoring its his rebounding. His scoring is down for the simple reason that he is not getting as much shots as he did when he was in the hawks and gizz. For the kings and also blazers he is getting less shots and getting fewer mins off the bench which in turns is why he is scoring less then 20. And i really doubt that with starting lineup filled with scorers and post scorers that sar will ever avg that amount of pts again, unless sar is the second or first opition (which i highly doubt). On teams lacking a post player, for example the bulls, he would must likely be a 20 point scorer and maybe all-star. But on the kings who are lacking rebounding, not scoring he is more suitable for the bench, where he would be the 6th man. But in my opinion sar will most likely end up starting because there is no big currently in our price range that fits the bill of what the kings need or who even are better then sar.
And like many kings fans have said before we could also go the route of trading Brad and pieces for a def/rebounding to hide sar's rebounding problems or we could do the same for Brad and trade sar. Or we don't need to trade either and just trade thomas and pieces, which enbles sar or Brad to come off the bench. it just depends on what the kings want to do.
And like many kings fans have said before we could also go the route of trading Brad and pieces for a def/rebounding to hide sar's rebounding problems or we could do the same for Brad and trade sar. Or we don't need to trade either and just trade thomas and pieces, which enbles sar or Brad to come off the bench. it just depends on what the kings want to do.
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Lets see he makes 5 million bucks and scores plenty of points down low. Well if you ask me, I would trade Miller first, KT 2nd and then if we have to, trade SAR. Otherwise he's a perfect fit off the bench at 5 million per year.
If i have to watch KT come off the bench then im going to be seeing a lot less Kings games this season. Remeber the begining of the season. It would be a miracle to even see the guy score a point off the bench.
If i have to watch KT come off the bench then im going to be seeing a lot less Kings games this season. Remeber the begining of the season. It would be a miracle to even see the guy score a point off the bench.
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Anyone remember the Brad Miller of old. You know the hunk of meat that would plug up the middle, throw his weight around, and generally aggravate oppenents' big men to no end. The guy who'd mix in a 15ft set shot between a few hard fouls..
We need THAT Brad Miller, before he was tempted, lured, and then hooked by the Kings high post offense and finesse passing game. If Musselman can resurrect the Brad Miller of the Eastern Conference, then we've gone a long way towards fixing the front court.
Sadly, he may be too far gone...
We need THAT Brad Miller, before he was tempted, lured, and then hooked by the Kings high post offense and finesse passing game. If Musselman can resurrect the Brad Miller of the Eastern Conference, then we've gone a long way towards fixing the front court.
Sadly, he may be too far gone...
Truthfully, I am not sure to what degree he ever existed.
I remember having somewhat of that impression of him, remember the Shaq/Oakley incident, yet I also recall at the time we grabbed Brad from the Pacers, Pacers fans were not entirely broken up about it, and their complaints were really pretty much the same ones we have had. Slow, bad athlete, no post game. I DO think he used to be stronger, or at least seemed it. And that might have made a difference in his rebounding, which has gotten progressively worse. But the rest...eh, not sure.
The other thing is of course that Brad is a follower. Not an ounce of leader in him. And I think to the degree he ever WAS tougher it was because he was always playing alongside a true tough guy like Oakley or Artest, and they inspired him to man up. There was even a brief time there after the trade when it looked to me like Brad might be trying harder again with Artest around. But troublingly he did not sustain, and was never close to being effective defensively even wiht the extra effort.
In any case, regardless of the truth of things, the one thing you should never have to coax out of people is effort.