why don't the kings send price to the nbdl?

[Big Cuz 15]

i was reading a article about potential sleepers for this upcoming draft. this is the player here http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/donniemcgrath.asp
he's 6'4 and a PG.

i was thinking about the upcoming draft and how the kings could sign a player like like him if he goes undrafted (similar to the price situation) and stash him in the nbdl to develop him. why don't the kings do this w/ price? they have him sitting on the bench not really gaining any experience..

 

[VF21]

Price DOES get experience with real honest-to-goodness NBA players every time he practices with the Kings.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I think it may have to do with the mentality that bench time in the bigs is better than playing time in the small leagues. Last season was the first season with the new roster rules, I'm curious how many teams actually took advantage of them and sent players down?

 

[ParniValjak]

Price DOES get experience with real honest-to-goodness NBA players every time he practices with the Kings.

Thats hardly sufficient though.

Nothing replaces experience of playing in the game. You can practice as much as you like but you gain more by playing 10 minutes in a game than practicing for a day.

 

[Bricklayer]

i was reading a article about potential sleepers for this upcoming draft. this is the player here http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/donniemcgrath.asp
he's 6'4 and a PG.

i was thinking about the upcoming draft and how the kings could sign a player like like him if he goes undrafted (similar to the price situation) and stash him in the nbdl to develop him. why don't the kings do this w/ price? they have him sitting on the bench not really gaining any experience..

Would have definitely been an idea last year -- in fact where most players like him go. But frankly I think we were basically being cheap for most of the year and didn't want to pay more guys than necessary. This year -- entirely depends on what the roster looks like. Price and Monia are both candidates for the NBDL, but only if they aren't needed to fill out the big league roster.

 

[VF21]

Carolija - If he's in the NBDL, he's pretty much playing against others just like himself. If, on the other hand, he's actually with the Kings, he can get a few minutes here and there.

And he scrimmages against the Kings. That alone is worth something...and if you asked him, I'm pretty sure he'd much rather stay with the team and get those minutes here and there than be shipped to Bakersfield.

 

[Peja Who?]

Carolija - If he's in the NBDL, he's pretty much playing against others just like himself. If, on the other hand, he's actually with the Kings, he can get a few minutes here and there.

And he scrimmages against the Kings. That alone is worth something...and if you asked him, I'm pretty sure he'd much rather stay with the team and get those minutes here and there than be shipped to Bakersfield.

Agreed. After all, this strategy worked wonders for Gerald Wallace.

Steve

 

[SDKing]

Does anyone know how the pay goes for the NBDL. I know that Price last year would have been making the rookie minimum, however, I read the average NBDL salary is in the 30-40,000 dollar range. NBA rookie minimum last year was almost 400,000.

I doubt that since Price is under contract already they could make him take that pay cut...unless there is some clause inthe contract.

Anyone know about this?

 

[Packt]

Does anyone know how the pay goes for the NBDL. I know that Price last year would have been making the rookie minimum, however, I read the average NBDL salary is in the 30-40,000 dollar range. NBA rookie minimum last year was almost 400,000.

I doubt that since Price is under contract already they could make him take that pay cut...unless there is some clause inthe contract.

Anyone know about this?

Not to be a jerk, but what would be the point; its chump change by NBA standards. Price has a two year deal, with the second being a team option. They either want him back and pick up his option or pass on it. I don't think any player or agent has ever agreed to have a team decline an option just so they can renegotiate a smaller contract.

 

[SDKing]

I think you missed the point. My question was simply does the contract change if a team sends a player to the NBDL?

 

[Packt]

I think you missed the point. My question was simply does the contract change if a team sends a player to the NBDL?

In that case, no.

 

[Warhawk]

Does anyone know how the pay goes for the NBDL. I know that Price last year would have been making the rookie minimum, however, I read the average NBDL salary is in the 30-40,000 dollar range. NBA rookie minimum last year was almost 400,000.

I doubt that since Price is under contract already they could make him take that pay cut...unless there is some clause inthe contract.

Anyone know about this?

I'm pretty sure anyone sent down still gets their full salary. The other NBDL salaries are for the undrafted guys that get signed straight to the NBDL.

And a quick search reveals:

J. NBA Development League
During an NBA player’s first two seasons in the league (regardless of his age when he entered the league), his team will be permitted to assign him to a team in the NBA Development League. A player can be assigned to the NBADL up to three times per season. The player will continue to be paid his NBA salary and will continue to be included on his NBA team’s roster (on the inactive list) while playing in the NBADL.

http://www.nba.com/news/cba_summary_050804.html

Where's my prize?

 

[VF21]

Agreed. After all, this strategy worked wonders for Gerald Wallace.

Steve

Gerald Wallace was an eternity ago. Different team, different coaches, etc. There is pretty much NO REASON to compare the two. And, as a matter of fact, there is no comparison. Gerald Wallace and Ronnie Price are two totally different types of players as well.

 

[SDKing]

I'm pretty sure anyone sent down still gets their full salary. The other NBDL salaries are for the undrafted guys that get signed straight to the NBDL.

And a quick search reveals:

J. NBA Development League
During an NBA player’s first two seasons in the league (regardless of his age when he entered the league), his team will be permitted to assign him to a team in the NBA Development League. A player can be assigned to the NBADL up to three times per season. The player will continue to be paid his NBA salary and will continue to be included on his NBA team’s roster (on the inactive list) while playing in the NBADL.

http://www.nba.com/news/cba_summary_050804.html

Where's my prize?

Gracias

 

[walker60]

I wish every NBA team had their own NBDL franchise and would be able to run it like a minor league team. That way you could hire your own coaches that would help develop your own players. Right now, if we send Price down, who knows what he'll be learning from who. He could pick up bad habits or not learn the things that he needs too in order to contribute to the Kings. Most NBA teams don't send down players, and I think its because of that reason.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I wish every NBA team had their own NBDL franchise and would be able to run it like a minor league team. That way you could hire your own coaches that would help develop your own players. Right now, if we send Price down, who knows what he'll be learning from who. He could pick up bad habits or not learn the things that he needs too in order to contribute to the Kings. Most NBA teams don't send down players, and I think its because of that reason.

Agreed. I think it would have been awesome if we had a Kings lite down in Bakersfield, and could have sent Gerald to develop in a similar system for a year or two. Heck, maybe Webb could have played a few rehab games down there too (like Clemens in the MLB).

 

[Big Cuz 15]

From my understanding, you can pull your players out of the nbdl at anytime you choose. Why not allow him to get some playing time for the first half of the season then bring him back for some time w/ the team. The word on him is that he isn't a true point guard. Maybe we can have him running the point on a NBDL team and build some of those skills. The kid really needs playing time to gain experience as a player. IMO, game time and practice are far apart. Do they practice crunch time situations? How does he Price react to being in a situation where a stop is absolutely needed or a bucket is needed ... Sure you can practice all you want. Game time is when it counts right? I honestly believe he needs more gametime especially since we are so stacked at the swing positions right now.

 

[Warhawk]

Agreed. I think it would have been awesome if we had a Kings lite down in Bakersfield, and could have sent Gerald to develop in a similar system for a year or two. Heck, maybe Webb could have played a few rehab games down there too (like Clemens in the MLB).

No.

Players can only be sent down for their first 2 years in the league.

 

[Amanjoy]

Agreed. After all, this strategy worked wonders for Gerald Wallace.

Steve

Hopefully Price stays with the Kings so we can benefit from that development...unlike Wallace who is now using his development to beat the Kings.

 

[Amanjoy]

From my understanding, you can pull your players out of the nbdl at anytime you choose. Why not allow him to get some playing time for the first half of the season then bring him back for some time w/ the team. The word on him is that he isn't a true point guard. Maybe we can have him running the point on a NBDL team and build some of those skills. The kid really needs playing time to gain experience as a player. IMO, game time and practice are far apart. Do they practice crunch time situations? How does he Price react to being in a situation where a stop is absolutely needed or a bucket is needed ... Sure you can practice all you want. Game time is when it counts right? I honestly believe he needs more gametime especially since we are so stacked at the swing positions right now.

He's not a true PG. He's more of a scoring PG, a lot like BJax. For that reason he'd benefit from the Kings signing BJax as the backup for this next year.

 

[Peja Who?]

Gerald Wallace was an eternity ago. Different team, different coaches, etc. There is pretty much NO REASON to compare the two. And, as a matter of fact, there is no comparison. Gerald Wallace and Ronnie Price are two totally different types of players as well.

The surrounding players and coaching may not be the same, but the situation is exactly the same. Take a look at Darko Milicic in Detroit or Kevin Martin. When you ride the pine, you don't improve. You can run all the drills, play all the scrimmages, and study all the theory you want, until you're applying what you've learned in a game environment, it's just exactly that: theory. Ronnie Price would be an excellent candidate for the D-league.

Steve

 

[Kingsgurl]

Not to be a jerk, but what would be the point; its chump change by NBA standards. Price has a two year deal, with the second being a team option. They either want him back and pick up his option or pass on it. I don't think any player or agent has ever agreed to have a team decline an option just so they can renegotiate a smaller contract.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get the info about the team option? I wondered about the giving him a 2 year deal when we first signed him and I specifically asked his GF if it was a team option on the second and she said no. Could be she didn't know? Although she certainly sounded very sure.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

He's not a true PG. He's more of a scoring PG, a lot like BJax. For that reason he'd benefit from the Kings signing BJax as the backup for this next year.

i know he's not a true point that is why i suggested he go to the nbdl to develop those skills. what exactly would he learn on the bench from bobby? bobby just plays with alot of intensity. adelman gave him free reign coming off the bench to play his style of ball.

 

[LPKingsFan]

No.

Players can only be sent down for their first 2 years in the league.

Well considering the rest of my scenario was fantasy based off how baseball's system works... that part was too

 

[Amanjoy]

i know he's not a true point that is why i suggested he go to the nbdl to develop those skills. what exactly would he learn on the bench from bobby? bobby just plays with alot of intensity. adelman gave him free reign coming off the bench to play his style of ball.

He would learn how to be successful as a scoring guard at point. Bobby was given free reign, but was mature enough to know what to do with it and how to be successful with it. It gave a nice change of scenery compared to Bibby's more traditional PG play.

Price has the same kind of potential because he's a similar player. Too many talented, undersized scoring guards don't make it in the NBA because they are never taught or given the opportunity to succeed. PRice has the right opportunity, and he could learn how to be a free-wheeling player with discipline at the same time. There are few players in the league that can teach that to PRice, and Bobby is one of them. He deserves the opportunity to show his stuff because he's got the talent to be a great player in this league.

I do see your point about the NBDL. IT would give him more of an opportunity to show his stuff and get playing time. However, I can;t think of many players that a trip to the NBDL has worked out well for. Matt BArnes seems to have come out all right, but can someone else give me a decent player that has benefitted from some time down there?

 

[walker60]

He would learn how to be successful as a scoring guard at point. Bobby was given free reign, but was mature enough to know what to do with it and how to be successful with it. It gave a nice change of scenery compared to Bibby's more traditional PG play.

Price has the same kind of potential because he's a similar player. Too many talented, undersized scoring guards don't make it in the NBA because they are never taught or given the opportunity to succeed. PRice has the right opportunity, and he could learn how to be a free-wheeling player with discipline at the same time. There are few players in the league that can teach that to PRice, and Bobby is one of them. He deserves the opportunity to show his stuff because he's got the talent to be a great player in this league.

I do see your point about the NBDL. IT would give him more of an opportunity to show his stuff and get playing time. However, I can;t think of many players that a trip to the NBDL has worked out well for. Matt BArnes seems to have come out all right, but can someone else give me a decent player that has benefitted from some time down there?

Jackie Butler. But you are right, not many guys go to the NBDL and come back to be good NBA players. That could be testament more to how unwilling NBA teams are to sending down their own players.

 

[Warhawk]

Well considering the rest of my scenario was fantasy based off how baseball's system works... that part was too

Well, OK.....

But, do you think Webber's ego would have let him play a couple games in the minors? He wouldn't consider coming off the bench, what makes you think he'd play in the minors?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

He would learn how to be successful as a scoring guard at point. Bobby was given free reign, but was mature enough to know what to do with it and how to be successful with it. It gave a nice change of scenery compared to Bibby's more traditional PG play.


I do see your point about the NBDL. IT would give him more of an opportunity to show his stuff and get playing time. However, I can;t think of many players that a trip to the NBDL has worked out well for. Matt BArnes seems to have come out all right, but can someone else give me a decent player that has benefitted from some time down there?

Price has the same kind of potential because he's a similar player. Too many talented, undersized scoring guards don't make it in the NBA because they are never taught or given the opportunity to succeed. PRice has the right opportunity, and he could learn how to be a free-wheeling player with discipline at the same time. There are few players in the league that can teach that to PRice, and Bobby is one of them. He deserves the opportunity to show his stuff because he's got the talent to be a great player in this league.

"given the opportunity to succeed."

gotta give adelman credit for that one.

"he could learn how to be a free-wheeling player with discipline at the same time."

from the bench? how is the kid going to react when he's double or triple teamed or if the opposing team is running a zone defense. i don't know how being on the bench prepares him for that or continually practicing it. you can practice and run drills over and over again but it doesn't matter if the player doesn't execute on the court.

does anybody remember when the kings said stay with the shooters during the spurs series and allowed barry to bury the 3 to win the game? they made the mistake by not following the orders but it will not happen the same way again with those players because they experienced it.

I see your point and I think the kid has potential to be good if not great. IMO, price does need to go to the NBDL if he isn't getting playing time. Hopefully Muss sees his potential and plays him. The Muss Man gave playing time to Arenas and helped fuel his development as a player.

The NBDL is still in its infant stages and alot of teams aren't really utilizing it by sending their players there yet. That is why you don't see names of decent players from there yet.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

That is why you don't see names of decent players from [the NBDL] yet.

Bobby Simmons says hi.

 

[Gary]

I think the NBADL would be best for a guy that's not getting any minutes. Playing time against guys that are at or a bit above the college level is better than riding the pine, and getting some practice minutes in.