Fox Watch 2025

Fair point. But I do think I'm mostly talking to reasonable people so the effort isn't entirely pointless? I hope?

I'm trying to stay out of this for the most part but maybe I'll make one more plea for deference instead of vitriol. We all know "NBA Player" is a job and yet somehow diplomat, humanitarian, public relations expert, and diehard loyalty to a city for which your only connection is arbitrary draft randomness all get folded in. Padrino made a good post about this in the trade thread... The idea that any professional athlete is playing for us and not themselves is a delusion we willingly enter into. Most of us, I believe, know that it is a delusion but it's a relatively harmless one so we allow it to take on the appearance of reality. I wonder if more than anything people are mourning the abrupt jolt of reality replacing the delusion? Fox selling shoes for us is a good thing but selling shoes for his own profit makes him a snake? I haven't gotten my Under Armour royalty check yet...

In this case it may be easy to blame the player as the cause of our momentary discomfort but Mike Brown didn't ask to be fired, and a lot of ya'll cheered that decision. Harrison Barnes didn't ask to be traded this summer. DeMar signed a 3 year contract with the understanding that he would be teammates with Fox and coached by Mike Brown and now he has no choice but to honor that commitment to a team which didn't honor his. This goes on and on for however far you want to look back. Is it really that difficult to just accept it and move on?
Not sure who your talking to exactly but I'll respond cause you clipped one of my posts.

Like most things, you can handle a situation many ways and still have the same outcome.

I was critical of the way the Kings handled the Brown firing, even if I was open to the idea that it was the right decision. Same with Fox, I have zero hate towards him for leaving (As I posted in the Thank you thread) it was how he left thats starting to not sit so well because of his doublespeak that's now coming out.

I believe he was being deceitful for a long time, instead of just saying the truth.

If you don't believe that's a "reasonable" request and is "too much" to ask, I guess we should just agree to disagree.
 

hrdboild

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Not sure who your talking to exactly but I'll respond cause you clipped one of my posts.

Like most things, you can handle a situation many ways and still have the same outcome.

I was critical of the way the Kings handled the Brown firing, even if I was open to the idea that it was the right decision. Same with Fox, I have zero hate towards him for leaving (As I posted in the Thank you thread) it was how he left thats starting to not sit so well because of his doublespeak that's now coming out.

I believe he was being deceitful for a long time, instead of just saying the truth.

If you don't believe that's a "reasonable" request and is "too much" to ask, I guess we should just agree to disagree.
See I think he did the exact opposite. He told the front office what he wanted instead of keeping them wondering. They asked if he might change his mind and he told them no. There's really no nice way to tell someone that you're breaking up with them. But if it feels like the right thing to do, you just have to do it anyway and deal with the consequences.

You say you're not mad about him leaving but what else could this be about? We (the Kings) proposed and De'Aaron said "naw, I feel I can do better" and a whole bunch of Kings fans are sore about it. Which is their right but I think if you (any Kings fan, not you specifically) take a step back and look at the big picture, it's not an unreasonable conclusion for a player to come to that their career would likely be better if they chose to go somewhere else. He gave us 7 solid years to get our act together and this franchise could not. This is my team and I wish he'd stayed but trying to look at this from his point of view, I think he made the right call.

We were going to get screwed in any Fox trade no matter what, just as we get mediocre value every time a star player gets traded out of here. All Star games, Olympic Medals, playoff wins, All NBA and All Defense votes -- this is how everyone assigns trade value to players. From a pure numbers point of view, Fox should have had a lot more accolades on his resume. Playing for Sacramento is what suppressed his value because it suppresses everyone's value. This is why I tend to advocate for acquiring young players instead of established stars in trade proposals.

I don't know how long you've been a Kings fan but way back in 2001 the Maloof brothers, who owned the Kings at the time, put out an ad campaign to persuade Chris Webber not to leave in Free Agency. There was a big billboard that said "Chris-- Joe (Maloof) will mow your lawn if you stay. - Gavin (Maloof)". And he did stay which was huge for this city, to keep a star player in his prime. Then he hurt his knee. And when the Kings traded him it was a phone call: "you're going to Philadelphia" and he had to sort out all the details of where he was going to live, how he was going to sell his house, etc. I've never forgotten that and it colors how I look at every one of these player-team breakups. Nothing is guaranteed as a player. The business owner in charge of your contract is always going to do what they think is right for their business.

Maybe the lie is more comfortable for all of us -- that these are our guys and they should love us because we love them. I don't think every time a player says that they love their fans it's a lie, but there is a broader truth behind that which is that there are fans in other cities too. And if you really do wish a player well who has brought you some measure of joy over the years, what's the harm in allowing them to do what they think is right for their family without painting it as some grand betrayal?

And also... please don't boo this man when he comes back to Sacramento. For heaven's sake, if any fanbase should know what happens when you make De'Aaron Fox mad it's us. I don't need to see him dropping a double nickel on our heads.
 

pdxKingsFan

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All respect @hrdboild but he quit on his team and teammates with 2 years remaining on the contract. A team that had and continued to make questionable movements just to put him front and center as star of the team and face of the franchise. And then once (if not before) his people leaked he was out he began having active communications with the only team he would re-sign with directing traffic in the trade.

Nothing like that has ever happened here that I recall. Fans are right to feel however they feel moving forward but I hope the organization just deletes him. Opposite of love is apathy. No invite to a future Beam Team reunion, no ring of honor, no recognition of his franchise records, no nothing. Just delete. Move on.
 

hrdboild

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All respect @hrdboild but he quit on his team and teammates with 2 years remaining on the contract. A team that had and continued to make questionable movements just to put him front and center as star of the team and face of the franchise. And then once (if not before) his people leaked he was out he began having active communications with the only team he would re-sign with directing traffic in the trade.

Nothing like that has ever happened here that I recall. Fans are right to feel however they feel moving forward but I hope the organization just deletes him. Opposite of love is apathy. No invite to a future Beam Team reunion, no ring of honor, no recognition of his franchise records, no nothing. Just delete. Move on.
Jimmy Butler quit on his team. Fox still played and he gave no indication that he was going to stop playing -- only that he wouldn't sign a contract extension. There have been a number of past Kings players who probably should have done what Fox did before their careers were ruined. He gets paid to play basketball, not be a shining beacon of hope for people he doesn't know. We all put that on him and others like him.

I look at the Kings as a framing device: it's easier to watch a sport when you know who you are rooting for and who you are rooting against. But it's all arbitrary. It's team purple and team yellow and team silver, etc. Exchanging one color jersey for another is something we do on the playground -- it doesn't mean anything. There are values that we associate with being part of a team and sacrificing your own interest for the good of the collective whole and I believe watching the push and pull of how those values play out in a controlled micro-climate is what gives professional sports cultural resonance and the reason they are worth watching. But at the end of the day, these are highly profitable businesses aimed at siphoning money away from us. Now that sports gambling is front and center it's obvious to me that sports franchises aren't that different from casinos. The casino loves your money, it doesn't love you.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Jimmy Butler was a known chemistry killer when the Heat took him on, I don't really view the situations as similar given Fox's public demeanor and I think even the way the players are reacting show this situation caught a lot of them off guard. Just like all the coaches said we did Brown dirty even though I'd say his public demand for an early raise and extension did us dirty, I would almost expect the players to have their guy's back because it's business. Not seeing that vibe, seeing a lot of hurt and trying to rally around it to move forward.
 
All respect @hrdboild but he quit on his team and teammates with 2 years remaining on the contract. A team that had and continued to make questionable movements just to put him front and center as star of the team and face of the franchise. And then once (if not before) his people leaked he was out he began having active communications with the only team he would re-sign with directing traffic in the trade.

Nothing like that has ever happened here that I recall. Fans are right to feel however they feel moving forward but I hope the organization just deletes him. Opposite of love is apathy. No invite to a future Beam Team reunion, no ring of honor, no recognition of his franchise records, no nothing. Just delete. Move on.
I would have more respect for him if he pull a Jimmy Butler instead of trying to paint this favorable narrative and goes behind the scene screwing us over.
 
See I think he did the exact opposite. He told the front office what he wanted instead of keeping them wondering. They asked if he might change his mind and he told them no. There's really no nice way to tell someone that you're breaking up with them. But if it feels like the right thing to do, you just have to do it anyway and deal with the consequences.

You say you're not mad about him leaving but what else could this be about? We (the Kings) proposed and De'Aaron said "naw, I feel I can do better" and a whole bunch of Kings fans are sore about it. Which is their right but I think if you (any Kings fan, not you specifically) take a step back and look at the big picture, it's not an unreasonable conclusion for a player to come to that their career would likely be better if they chose to go somewhere else. He gave us 7 solid years to get our act together and this franchise could not. This is my team and I wish he'd stayed but trying to look at this from his point of view, I think he made the right call.

We were going to get screwed in any Fox trade no matter what, just as we get mediocre value every time a star player gets traded out of here. All Star games, Olympic Medals, playoff wins, All NBA and All Defense votes -- this is how everyone assigns trade value to players. From a pure numbers point of view, Fox should have had a lot more accolades on his resume. Playing for Sacramento is what suppressed his value because it suppresses everyone's value. This is why I tend to advocate for acquiring young players instead of established stars in trade proposals.

I don't know how long you've been a Kings fan but way back in 2001 the Maloof brothers, who owned the Kings at the time, put out an ad campaign to persuade Chris Webber not to leave in Free Agency. There was a big billboard that said "Chris-- Joe (Maloof) will mow your lawn if you stay. - Gavin (Maloof)". And he did stay which was huge for this city, to keep a star player in his prime. Then he hurt his knee. And when the Kings traded him it was a phone call: "you're going to Philadelphia" and he had to sort out all the details of where he was going to live, how he was going to sell his house, etc. I've never forgotten that and it colors how I look at every one of these player-team breakups. Nothing is guaranteed as a player. The business owner in charge of your contract is always going to do what they think is right for their business.

Maybe the lie is more comfortable for all of us -- that these are our guys and they should love us because we love them. I don't think every time a player says that they love their fans it's a lie, but there is a broader truth behind that which is that there are fans in other cities too. And if you really do wish a player well who has brought you some measure of joy over the years, what's the harm in allowing them to do what they think is right for their family without painting it as some grand betrayal?

And also... please don't boo this man when he comes back to Sacramento. For heaven's sake, if any fanbase should know what happens when you make De'Aaron Fox mad it's us. I don't need to see him dropping a double nickel on our heads.


More so how he left, not the fact that he left.

Apologies if I don't make that clear in my response.

As I said, there are different ways to handle situations and still achieve the same outcome.

Its all good, we can disagree on the way people conduct themselves and still both be right. I'm alligning to what I see as important as are you and that's OK, I'm not here to try change or tell you how to feel. Trust me, I'm not that into myself to suggest there's only 1 way to feel and mine is the right one :)

Just cause we don't agree doesn't make it unresonable or too much, it's just a different opinion to yours

Peace
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
DLO showing some incredible professionalism right now. He wants to send Fox to the shadow realm so badly.

Really starting to be revealed here how big of an impact this whole scenario was. Fox really held this franchise hostage.
Definitely felt like the front office had a bit easier of a time getting deals done without him here, that’s for sure.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Also did he ever pay back the hundreds of people he scammed with his NFT rugpull or is that more “Kings mismanagement” as well?
I would still love to hear from someone who bought in to see what the ending was. All I can dig up is that he said "oh this is too much work" and everything shut down. Also like Elon's "lottery" scam, the people that received free tickets and other perks were pre-selected and not pulled from random.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Usual suspects on Kings Twitter just gobbling up the Fox narrative slop.

Meanwhile, Kings players out here giving extremely angry post-game interviews about how he abandoned them.
It's one thing to hate the front office because of the one sided narrative certain kings-adjacent influencers have but it's another to ignore the players here. Not one seems to have a good thing to say about Fox. Malik's interview was pretty depressing. We're lead to believe players form friendships and bonds that transcend the clubs they play for and all he could offer is "we'll talk down the road"?!?