Mike Brown Fired

Yeah it didn't look good. He doesn't need to be pissed but you'd think when your boss is fired for poor performance, there will be some self reflection ... Most guys would think or say something like "We had great times here with Coach, and anytime someone is let go you should look in the mirror and ask yourself, what can I do to get better? I hope and expect us all to rally around this and come together as a unit. We control what we do, coach can influence it but if we're not performing the guys in this locker room got to regroup and execute better" etc etc - Gotta come with that tone as the leader of the team the day after your head coach is fired, but he didn't.
Fox did not do that, but Monk did. He also said, "Thanks, Mike!"
 
Some people making excuses for Fox? Dude had to have Klutch come talk with Kings brass cause Mike held him accountable. Should probably trade him before giving that massive extension……don’t think he’s going to be worth it.
yeh I’ve soured on him some after this whole ordeal. I think he has some growing up to do. That said, I’m open to dropping those feelings if things take a turn for the better.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Mike Brown getting fired before Devin Carter got healthy is the new Mike Malone getting fired while Boogie had meningitis.
It's certainly the most unfair aspect in all of this though I think Brown, Fox and Monte all share about equally. I don't think coaches will ever come out and say if their rotations were "forced" from above so we'll probably never know one way or another but I am guessing that Brown's firing indicates his rotations were his own and he may have had input in the personnel decisions that lead to us going smaller over his tenure.

I'm eager to see what Doug does especially since the organization has seemed to really value his potential. Is this the best opportunity? No but he also has the opportunity to get an underachieving team that has lost at least 10 winnable games (1/3rd of their total played!) to perform even marginally better and have it look like he worked a miracle.
 

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I really think it just got figured out and scouted much better by opposing teams which happens sometimes. Last year the Kings went from shattering the NBA record for offensive rating the prior season to 13th and as more and more time went on Fox was having to grind himself into a stub just to pull out the wins they did get. The Kings are still running plenty of DHO, but teams with length coming up and meeting those handoffs was turning it into something pretty hit and miss.
Yeah, I get that, but we also had more cuts to the basket off screens, etc., that seems to have been tossed out the window. Maybe you are right, but it sure seems like we had this discussion the second year during training camp about changing up the offense and how it seems to have gone away from some of the stuff that was working.
 
Except that the track record suggests that Carter wouldn’t have figured into his rotations all that much, kinda like Keon Ellis.

A bit different situation.
IMO, Brown’s insistence that Huerter was still a starting shooting guard and not playing Keon long, consistent minutes in his rotations probably cost him his job.
 

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It seems to have come out in the last two weeks that Brown ran the guys ragged in practice which begs the question whether or not there should have even been a practice while Vivek, Monte, and Matina were meeting to discuss his future. Maybe he’d have been called into the office if there weren’t an AM practice on travel day.
 
It seems to have come out in the last two weeks that Brown ran the guys ragged in practice which begs the question whether or not there should have even been a practice while Vivek, Monte, and Matina were meeting to discuss his future. Maybe he’d have been called into the office if there weren’t an AM practice on travel day.
Curious if over-practice could add fatigue and negate a lot of the benefits of playing at home (less travel, less stress, more time for R&R). Could explain some home woes. Doug saying his Kings teams of old playing hard necessitated less intense practices makes so much sense. Hard to imagine why MB would want to run the guys into the ground, but it seems generally like he didn’t trust the players as much as he should have

I also suspect if any star was speaking out against MB it was Domas, but I’m happy to not know
 
It seems to have come out in the last two weeks that Brown ran the guys ragged in practice which begs the question whether or not there should have even been a practice while Vivek, Monte, and Matina were meeting to discuss his future. Maybe he’d have been called into the office if there weren’t an AM practice on travel day.
It is a classic military-style tactic that fits Brown's coaching style perfectly. Any sign of disloyalty or divergent thinking requires punishment to maintain order and obedience. It works in Basic Training because recruits know it soon will end. The Kings figured that they had at least another three years of this kind of abuse and didn't want to take it any longer. Yes, I said "abuse" as I also implied two years ago.
 

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It is a classic military-style tactic that fits Brown's coaching style perfectly. Any sign of disloyalty or divergent thinking requires punishment to maintain order and obedience. It works in Basic Training because recruits know it soon will end. The Kings figured that they had at least another three years of this kind of abuse and didn't want to take it any longer. Yes, I said "abuse" as I also implied two years ago.
I wonder if they had won if the practice would have happened. Mostly I’m just annoyed that folks elsewhere are still crying foul on this. I’m far more interested in answers from Brown now than I am from hearing from the FO.
 
It is a classic military-style tactic that fits Brown's coaching style perfectly. Any sign of disloyalty or divergent thinking requires punishment to maintain order and obedience. It works in Basic Training because recruits know it soon will end. The Kings figured that they had at least another three years of this kind of abuse and didn't want to take it any longer. Yes, I said "abuse" as I also implied two years ago.
Made me wonder back then, whether Keon had expressed a different opinion one too many times for Mike. Maybe for Brown it was Ok for someone like Monk to "talk back", but not a low salary guy who was on a two-way contract just last season?
 

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The pics on IG convinced me immediately. My goodness that place looks incredible. Anyway … yea, it seems MB was overworking the guys. Film and walkthroughs + practice right after back to back nights and travel is a bit ridiculous
Keegan's rebound isn't really a shock it was obvious he was being asked to do too much and even his dad alluded to this when politely replying to fans who had turned on him, but even Huerter who seemed to enjoy an inexplicable favored-nation status is playing better now.

It's just amazing to me that a guy at least partly responsible for so much magic a season and a half ago fell so quickly.
 
Keegan's rebound isn't really a shock it was obvious he was being asked to do too much and even his dad alluded to this when politely replying to fans who had turned on him, but even Huerter who seemed to enjoy an inexplicable favored-nation status is playing better now.

It's just amazing to me that a guy at least partly responsible for so much magic a season and a half ago fell so quickly.
Simplest explanation may be he knows the fundamentals better than anyone but has a tendency to micromanage and doesn’t know when to step back and let his guys do their thing. During year 1 guys are probably fully buying in but as time goes on the coach has to take a back seat and trust his players. i sympathize but this was what his third stop? He’s prob gonna be an assistant the rest of his career but he might be better suited for it and has 30 million reasons to not be too upset by what happened here