Mike Brown Fired

[MizzouKing]

Watching the almost universally negative reactions come in, particularly from the other NBA coaches, I'm almost having Pete D'Alessandro flashbacks. Malone was a better coach IMHO, but the vibe is not that dissimilar. Betting we see a press conference from McNair today as the negative publicity continues.

Rooting for Doug, feeling for Mike, and glaring at Monte right now...I hope he was right, given all we don't know.

 

[GWD]

The kings were instructed to foul if a player had his back to the basket. The PLAYERS did not do it even though they had opportunities

And there you have it. What use is a coach if the players do not respond to his/her coaching. As a colliery, why don't (didn't) they?

That has been going on for far longer than just one play or one game. Just listen to Brown's past press conferences.

 

[Tetsujin]

The other consideration could be the team peaked 2 years ago and caught the league by surprise with Fox/Sabonis playing amazing (Huerter was insane for the first few months as well) plus the West being banged up/injured, the team got scouted and maybe does not possess the quality to overcome that. In order to overcome that they tried for a panic move for DDR which has back fired not due to talent but due to fit.

While I don't know if Brown deserved to be fired every time a coach gets fired they don't deserve it according to other coaches it's getting tiresome hearing it.

Every single coach in the league singing the praises of Doc Rivers every single year for the last three decades despite him largely being ass as a head coach for his entire career is pretty much all you need to know about NBA head coaches lol

 

[Tetsujin]

I meant did any other members of staff get let go

Wouldn’t be surprised if we see Bobby Jackson magically leave the Sixers bench in the next couple of weeks and show back up in Sacramento.

 

[iowamcnabb]

And there you have it. What use is a coach if the players do not respond to his/her coaching. As a colliery, why don't (didn't) they?

That has been going on for far longer than just one play or one game.

imagine having the most basic instructions passed to you as a professional basketball player and you need a better motivator to get you to do it. Not a good look for the toddlers, I mean players.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

The kings were instructed to foul if a player had his back to the basket. The PLAYERS did not do it even though they had opportunities

Nobody had their back to the basket after the initial inbound. They didn't want to foul right away and leave ~9 seconds on the clock. If two free throws were made, that puts them down by 1, in position to foul the Kings.....and then still have a chance to not only tie the game against an unset defense, but possibly win with 7-8 seconds to work with

 

[Tetsujin]

“Man teetering on edge of cliff against pushing people off cliffs”

 

[iowamcnabb]

Nobody had their back to the basket after the initial inbound. They didn't want to foul right away and leave ~9 seconds on the clock. If two free thro were made, that puts them down by 1, in position to foul the Kings.....and then still have a chance to not only tie the game against an unset defense, but possibly win with 7-8 seconds to work with

They weren’t instructed to foul necessarily but it was an option for them if some time had come off the clock. A lot would have had to happen for them to win that game and a better option than leaving a three point shooter open and then fouling him.

 

[MizzouKing]

Every single coach in the league singing the praises of Doc Rivers every single year for the last three decades despite him largely being ass as a head coach for his entire career is pretty much all you need to know about NBA head coaches lol

Yeah, but they usually lament the nature of the position and say good things about the person. I haven't often seen this level of incredulousness and unfiltered comments. Granted there have only been four or so coaches commenting so far though, so it may eventually revert to the norm.

 

[New Era]

Man, I have to say - after watching the video of the exchange between Brown and Fox at the bottom of this article? Watch it and try and think Fox didn't know exactly what was coming for Brown. Watch Fox's eye contact with Monk just following the conversation.
Actually makes me pretty sick.

I watched the whole thing and didn't take much away from it. Fox looked like he was being respectful to Brown and was listening to him. Yes, he had a chuckle with Monk after but who knows that that is all about.

 

[Fantazija]

Nobody had their back to the basket after the initial inbound. They didn't want to foul right away and leave ~9 seconds on the clock. If two free throws were made, that puts them down by 1, in position to foul the Kings.....and then still have a chance to not only tie the game against an unset defense, but possibly win with 7-8 seconds to work with

I understand the hypoteticals ( this could go wrong or that ...)of not fouling when up by 3 , but is there at least one example in a recent history where it actually backfired

 

[ESP47]

Professional basketball players should not need a coach to tell them what to do when they're up by 3 with 7 seconds left. That's as obvious a situation as it gets.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I understand the hypoteticals ( this could go wrong or that ...)of not fouling when up by 3 , but is there at least one example in a recent history where it backfired

Yes there is. All it takes is a missed rebound off a free throw, like we saw against the Lakers,.....or a missed free throw on your end, with more than 5 seconds to go, giving them a good chance to tie or win.

The odds of a 4 point play are extremely slim in that situation, unless you lose your head and do something stupid. I can't recall a more brain dead play to lose a game in all the years I've watched the Kings

 

[iowamcnabb]

any idea what the protocol would be for players reaching out to Mike? Like did they text him right away? Call? Give him a few days? I’m curious how something like that goes down

 

[New Era]

any idea what the protocol would be for players reaching out to Mike? Like did they text him right away? Call? Give him a few days? I’m curious how something like that goes down

I'm sure most of them probably at least texted him. Despite having differences (from all accounts) I'm sure there is a mutual respect and you can't ignore the success they had the past couple of seasons.

 

[Fantazija]

Yes there is. All it takes is a missed rebound, like we saw against the Lakers,.....or a missed free throw on your end, with more than 5 seconds to go[/QUOT
Kings were behind against the Lakers( also they did not foul Davis on purpose , that was a bogus call, completely irrelevant to my question unless u are talking about some other game)so that's not an example of a team ahead by 3 with 10 or less seconds left, fouling on purpose to avoid a 3 point shot and then going to OT or loosing outright

 

[Fantazija]

Yes there is. All it takes is a missed rebound off a free throw, like we saw against the Lakers,.....or a missed free throw on your end, with more than 5 seconds to go, giving them a good chance to tie or win.

The odds of a 4 point play are extremely slim in that situation, unless you lose your head and do something stupid. I can't recall a more brain dead play to lose a game in all the years I've watched the Kings

Once again I understand that "stuff" could happen but I am just looking for one example where it actually happened in this specific scenario ( 3 point lead less then 10 seconds left).

 

[Tetsujin]

Yeah, but they usually lament the nature of the position and say good things about the person. I haven't often seen this level of incredulousness and unfiltered comments. Granted there have only been four or so coaches commenting so far though, so it may eventually revert to the norm.

The ones who’ve commented publicly thus far have either worked for/with Mike Brown, including Mike Malone, who is still upset over his own firing a full decade plus ago.

 

[jiimbob]

Wouldn’t be surprised if we see Bobby Jackson magically leave the Sixers bench in the next couple of weeks and show back up in Sacramento.

I was thinking that as well. However, i’m not sure where Bobby resides in the Sixers pecking order, or how he would feel about coming back under Doug.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Once again I understand that "stuff" could happen but I am just looking for one example where it actually happened in this specific scenario ( 3 point lead less then 10 seconds left).

I'll see if I can remember and find one

They weren’t instructed to foul necessarily but it was an option for them if some time had come off the clock. A lot would have had to happen for them to win that game and a better option than leaving a three point shooter open and then fouling him.

Assuming you don't have one of your best players fall asleep on the game deciding play. I don't know anyone who game plans with that as a possibility.

The only reason they got a clean look, was because Fox allowed himself to sag off his man for some mysterious reason.....and he won't say why, because according to him "it doesn't really matter"

 

[TaxMan]

The ones who’ve commented publicly thus far have either worked for/with Mike Brown, including Mike Malone, who is still upset over his own firing a full decade plus ago.

Coaches can do no wrong to those in the coaching fraternity. There is nothing wrong with their comments, but it’s not like they are necessarily thinking of the best interests of the team.

 

[Caccia]

I watched the whole thing and didn't take much away from it. Fox looked like he was being respectful to Brown and was listening to him. Yes, he had a chuckle with Monk after but who knows that that is all about.

I did not watch the whole exchange, but early on, Brown said, "We did not lose because of that one play." Interesting comment.

(Yes, I can lipread.)

 

[King Baller]

and im not sure if you understand basketball. 3-11 in games decided by 5 pts or less. That can easily swing to 11-3 with 1 possession, 1 missed shot, 1 made shot. The team finally had stability, and they throw it out the window. So please explain what changes with Mike Brown out and Doug Christie in?

TheMobb, what would you have done?

 

[TheMobb]

Potentially using defensive players more in certain situations down the stretch. We'll see soon enough if anything looks different

What defensive players would you play down the stretch?

 

[TheMobb]

TheMobb, what would you have done?

Before firing Mike Brown I would’ve looked to either trade Fox and retool for a younger piece or depth and pick package as I believe Monk and DeRozan would benefit with higher usage, or trade future draft capital to upgrade the current roster.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

What defensive players would you play down the stretch?

Keon, depending on score and situation. He hasn't played enough at times and in 4th quarters, when the advanced stats show that the team is generally better with him on the floor.

I think Doug Christie would have a real appreciation and connection to a player like Keon. Doug was a defense first player who could guard 1-3 and could also shoot

 

[ockingsfan]

Something absolutely had to be done. I'm not saying firing Brown was my favorite choice but his star player has tuned him out.

Your other options are firing the GM or shipping the star. Both of those could still happen. But I don't see how anything gets better. Losing 10 games you could/should have won 30 games into a season is 100% cause for alarm.

That doesn't even take into account games we got blown out in that should have been close on paper.

Having the team playing so poorly in close games, getting blown out by inferior teams and having an horrid home record will absolutely cost a coach his job. It's on the coach to prepare the team and being way below average in these areas are on the coach. I think part of the issue with Brown was that he was too laid back and the team tuned him out.

I'm hoping Doug will be more fiery and in their face and hold players accountable, especially on the defensive end. Doug has always been the type of player I thought would make an excellent coach, hopefully this works out and he excels.

 

[iowamcnabb]

 

[iowamcnabb]

Doesn’t seem to broken up about it. He also indicated that his stance on a long term partnership with sac has not changed and is the same as it was in the offseason

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Just doesn't present himself as really caring that much about what goes on with the team. Shrugs his shoulders again, when asked about his reaction to the firing