DEEBO, THE SPECIAL Ks, AND THE CARDIAC KINGS
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Vivek was in India. It was a quick turnaround. There was no other way. It happened as quickly as it could happen, unfortunately they were conference calling to make the call while Brown was running the practice and the decision wasn't final until he had left the facility.
It sucks but this still reminds me of a boss who chewed me out because I didn't deliver my two weeks properly. You get over it.
Malone has sour grapes he really should get over (he's also possibly on the hot seat as is coach bud who also criticized this), Kerr just needs to butt TF out of our business, and Karl is an old hag who the game has passed that Vivek contributed greatly to his retirement fund.
Also dude demanded a raise and extension and will collect ~$26million in pay he won't have to work for. I liked him and am sorry this happened but there's no reason to feel he was wronged in any way. Third time this has happened to him (won't count the second Cavs stint in which the team changed overnight with LeBron's return) and obviously he did not learn from his past mistakes as had been advertised.
It sucks but this still reminds me of a boss who chewed me out because I didn't deliver my two weeks properly. You get over it.
Malone has sour grapes he really should get over (he's also possibly on the hot seat as is coach bud who also criticized this), Kerr just needs to butt TF out of our business, and Karl is an old hag who the game has passed that Vivek contributed greatly to his retirement fund.
Also dude demanded a raise and extension and will collect ~$26million in pay he won't have to work for. I liked him and am sorry this happened but there's no reason to feel he was wronged in any way. Third time this has happened to him (won't count the second Cavs stint in which the team changed overnight with LeBron's return) and obviously he did not learn from his past mistakes as had been advertised.
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or maybe fans should just get over it? Mike is beloved around the league, why would his friends and colleagues not defend him?
You don’t decide to fire the coach in the middle of the afternoon. Make the decision in the morning and pull the plug before practice. This franchise is going to get less leeway given their history.
You don’t decide to fire the coach in the middle of the afternoon. Make the decision in the morning and pull the plug before practice. This franchise is going to get less leeway given their history.
Yeah, the pivot point really feels like that 2nd Q vs the Mavs. We got our teeth kicked in by Pj Washington and the Mavs D squad, just lost to the Lakers, just fired Brown. Would have been very easy to see the team just giving up, losing that game and then the tear down of the team starts.
They fought back though and they've played with energy and heart under Christie since. Does it last? Who knows, but it's good to see signs of the 22-23 beam team in this squad. Was probably my favorite aspect of that team was they never quit on a game and just looked like they loved playing together
They fought back though and they've played with energy and heart under Christie since. Does it last? Who knows, but it's good to see signs of the 22-23 beam team in this squad. Was probably my favorite aspect of that team was they never quit on a game and just looked like they loved playing together
I would distinguish between a good motivator and being the emotional leader. Brown was a good motivator, got buy-in, guys believing they could win.
What I see from Christie is different, it's love. They players feel that and I believe that is what they are responding to. When he says his job is to love on players, I believe it. And the results are speaking for themselves. Vibe was different under Brown even when he had them rolling year 1.
What I see from Christie is different, it's love. They players feel that and I believe that is what they are responding to. When he says his job is to love on players, I believe it. And the results are speaking for themselves. Vibe was different under Brown even when he had them rolling year 1.
The whole thing reminds me of developmental relationships in raising children. When they're young (or when a team is needing help out of perpetual suckitude) they need that parent figure telling them what to do and how to do it. As they mature (develop pro-level skills/habits) the parent needs transition to a power-sharing arrangement instead of being the decision-maker and authority figure. My theory is that Mike's voice and personality permeated the very air they breathed, and the only way they could hear their own voices (which they needed to continue growing) was to start tuning his out. You can't parent a teen like a child without creating a very frustrated teen, and (unless you are Pop) you can't coach a group of capable professionals like they are still needing you to guide them through the fog of life.
Doug is very much a power sharer, treating the players as adults and giving them their respect/accolades. He may not have been able to get them out of their early development period, but he's the guy who can get the most from them now that they've grown up a bit.
Doug is very much a power sharer, treating the players as adults and giving them their respect/accolades. He may not have been able to get them out of their early development period, but he's the guy who can get the most from them now that they've grown up a bit.
Lasagna take.
Brown really was perfect for that time frame. Really my only gripe was giving him the extension prematurely. If we had not, he still would have been coach this year, and we might guess the same would have played out, but you never know, so really you can't second guess how it played out.
Irregardless, I do think we have something special in Doug Christie. A coach made by, and built for, the Sacramento Kings.
And I fully agree that his adult-to-adult style is exactly what we need now. It is fortuitous that he had a couple years building relationships with these guys. Seems to have been a seamless transition.
Brown really was perfect for that time frame. Really my only gripe was giving him the extension prematurely. If we had not, he still would have been coach this year, and we might guess the same would have played out, but you never know, so really you can't second guess how it played out.
Irregardless, I do think we have something special in Doug Christie. A coach made by, and built for, the Sacramento Kings.
And I fully agree that his adult-to-adult style is exactly what we need now. It is fortuitous that he had a couple years building relationships with these guys. Seems to have been a seamless transition.
I don't think we'll ever get the behind the scenes scoop on why Mike Brown did/didn't play guys but it sure seems like he'd punish certain guys for the slightest slip while others were beyond reproach. And that's why he lost the team and his job.
It is like raising kids, esp. two or more kids, but having different/incompatible styles between them. Something I experienced but haven't had to do myself.
It is like raising kids, esp. two or more kids, but having different/incompatible styles between them. Something I experienced but haven't had to do myself.
There are many ways to motivate. Cattle prod, gun to head, bull whip, pain, humiliation, among other rhetorically similar examples to Brown's methodology. They temporarily are successful. But long term they lead to anxiety, disappointment, rebellion, and reduced performance.
MizzouKing's example is supported by educational research, notably Piaget, and practical examples of real life experience. Well done.
MizzouKing's example is supported by educational research, notably Piaget, and practical examples of real life experience. Well done.
You can't motivate beyond a system that clearly isn't working. If it were possible Phil Jackson would have made it work in NY. Brown is one of those many coaches that have a little success doing one thing then when that one thing is figured out they keep focusing on that one thing maybe with a slight adjustment here and there. It's taken out many a good coach before, it will again. You can ride that train for awhile, but at some point it's most likely running right off the tracks and it usually takes your locker room with it.
I know the conclusion at the end of the Warriors series seems to be "ok, everyone solved the DHO" but is that even true? We've seen it work a few times with Christie - I think the last game or maybe it was the Dubs game where Keegan and Kevin both made some key 3s.
Maybe you need a backup plan, but you don't have to rip it up and go isos, drive and pop, spray threes, and have Fox getting better 3 point looks than your supposed specialists.
I thought the whole reason Brown even came was because he was excited about Domas and if the rumors are true that Domas had bigger issues with Brown than Fox, that actually makes a lot of sense to go from the leader to the complimentary piece, especially since he did re-sign with us and he did do it on team friendly terms, and just about everything the last two years has been about helping Fox to qualify towards his stupid super deal that in my honest opinion will destroy this team. Just it being on the table seems to have done severe damage to team chemistry already.
Maybe you need a backup plan, but you don't have to rip it up and go isos, drive and pop, spray threes, and have Fox getting better 3 point looks than your supposed specialists.
I thought the whole reason Brown even came was because he was excited about Domas and if the rumors are true that Domas had bigger issues with Brown than Fox, that actually makes a lot of sense to go from the leader to the complimentary piece, especially since he did re-sign with us and he did do it on team friendly terms, and just about everything the last two years has been about helping Fox to qualify towards his stupid super deal that in my honest opinion will destroy this team. Just it being on the table seems to have done severe damage to team chemistry already.
Yeah, I don't think "solved" is the right word either. The biggest issue was that Warriors style help defense that put Brown on the map. That got figured out more than anything and remember Brown was now the "defensive coach" when he got hired. The DHO was never dead and not every team really hurt the DHO, that's actually the only area where these "wing" teams were a problem. Teams like the Pels took the DHO out, even Keegan said that right after the play in loss. In watching the games teams that show up, blitz, or trap the DHO essentially take it out to this day unless it's maybe Monk, Fox, or DDR running it because then it just becomes an iso play or pick and roll/zoom action. Keegan and Huerter look to pass right out usually because the playmaking from that position with those two is hit and miss. The first playoffs were up and down with the DHO. In the games it didn't work Fox had to crush it like a legit MVP and that was against a Warriors team that has since been proven to be on the way down, not up or even baseline. They had already lost a step. IMO the Kings actual "run" lasted until that first years deadline. The Suns, Mavs, and Lakers leapfrogged the Kings at that point even if it didn't show yet and the West got tougher and tougher as time went on.
They may have leap frogged us in talent but we still closed strong in year one. Even the stupid Dubs series we were well on track to winning until Draymond stomped Sabonis and for whatever reason it lead to the Kings getting the villain whistle and not the Warriors. I will never ever understand that and Adam Silver is well well down the road to being the biggest villain in franchise history after the refs in the 2002 series.