When Do We Blow It Up?
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That’s interesting, I guess I didn’t read it that way. My guess is it’s just typical Klutch pressure. Like hey, my guy wants to be here but you can’t sit out another deadline, show us you are willing to maximize Fox and this team. If anything its probably a nudge, get something done this deadline or we might start looking elsewhere this off season.
if Fox is ever traded, the Spurs are at the bottom of my team list. Not giving the luckiest franchise in the nba any ammo for a potential dynasty.
if Fox is ever traded, the Spurs are at the bottom of my team list. Not giving the luckiest franchise in the nba any ammo for a potential dynasty.
And this stance from Fox and Klutch, although they haven’t come out and made any demands, is adding pressure and fan‘s are already frustrated with the team for its underwhelming performance. Terrible timing by the Fox camp.
ive been a Fox supporter from the minute he was drafted and one of his biggest supporters when people on this board were attacking him years back. But I’m at the point where I’m looking at him sideways because, FFS, we added Derozan to the team. That’s not trying to win? GTFOH with this stance. I’m squarely in Brown’s camp of, if you want to be a superstar, you need to deliver wins. Falls on him. Not Domas, Not DDR. Not Monk. Falls on Fox.
Im starting to think that if Carter is what the pundits say he is, the steal of this draft, then the biggest depth is at guard and a Monk, Ellis, Carter backcourt with additional wings like Amen Thompson and Tari Eason and draft picks may be the way to go.
Klutch sucks
ive been a Fox supporter from the minute he was drafted and one of his biggest supporters when people on this board were attacking him years back. But I’m at the point where I’m looking at him sideways because, FFS, we added Derozan to the team. That’s not trying to win? GTFOH with this stance. I’m squarely in Brown’s camp of, if you want to be a superstar, you need to deliver wins. Falls on him. Not Domas, Not DDR. Not Monk. Falls on Fox.
Im starting to think that if Carter is what the pundits say he is, the steal of this draft, then the biggest depth is at guard and a Monk, Ellis, Carter backcourt with additional wings like Amen Thompson and Tari Eason and draft picks may be the way to go.
Klutch sucks
He was 8th in scoring (PPG) last season and he's 8th in scoring so far this season. The only guards scoring more than him right now are LaMelo, SGA, and Luka (who I don't consider a guard but that's where he's listed so I'll grudgingly include him). Fox is clearly a better defender than two of those guys. Is that not superstar level play for a guard?
Which is why there's now a "save Fox, get him out of Sacramento" narrative developing among the national media. We need a lot more Beam Lighting to turn this thing around. When the narrative was "look how fun these young Kings are", both Fox and Sabonis had the All-Star and All-NBA recognition that their play deserves.
I hope we don't trade Fox because it might be another decade before this team manages to acquire another talent on his level. But there's nothing I can do about that so I just try to be optimistic and look at the numbers which point toward progress and watch every game with the expectation that it will be the start of a massive winning streak.
I hope we don't trade Fox because it might be another decade before this team manages to acquire another talent on his level. But there's nothing I can do about that so I just try to be optimistic and look at the numbers which point toward progress and watch every game with the expectation that it will be the start of a massive winning streak.
Rich Paul in town?
Fox gone gone.
Hopefully we get a good haul for him, but in my heart of hearts I know Vivek is going to fumble this and we'll all watch Fox walk for nothing.
BTW: I've never been a pro trade Fox guy (before, now I am), and this isn't a gloat post. More a resigned "life of a Kings fan" post.
Fox gone gone.
Hopefully we get a good haul for him, but in my heart of hearts I know Vivek is going to fumble this and we'll all watch Fox walk for nothing.
BTW: I've never been a pro trade Fox guy (before, now I am), and this isn't a gloat post. More a resigned "life of a Kings fan" post.
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I’m not sure this a Klutch leak. He was seen sitting courtside so I’m sure he or the team was asked about his visit by Slater or Amick. Plus it’s not as if he is trying to start a rumor that he was hoping would get back to the team, he spoke directly to them.
Vivek and Monte chose Fox over Hali, they drafted ready to contribute players, hired the coach he wanted and signed Derozan. They have absolutely tried to build around him and win. If Fox wants to push this issue now, 30 games into the season, then I say thank you for your service and kick rocks. Oh, you want to go now with a year and a half left on your deal? Great! 2 young talents who can contribute right away or one mega premium one (Amen) , 3 unprotected firsts, 4 seconds and a couple swaps. Anything less and you can wait until you are a free agent.
Vivek and Monte chose Fox over Hali, they drafted ready to contribute players, hired the coach he wanted and signed Derozan. They have absolutely tried to build around him and win. If Fox wants to push this issue now, 30 games into the season, then I say thank you for your service and kick rocks. Oh, you want to go now with a year and a half left on your deal? Great! 2 young talents who can contribute right away or one mega premium one (Amen) , 3 unprotected firsts, 4 seconds and a couple swaps. Anything less and you can wait until you are a free agent.
I just looked at their future picks and the only juicy ones are an unprotected Dallas in ‘30 and a Minny ‘31. They could give us both of those since they have their own picks but I’d rather take those Phoenix picks from the Rockets given the age of their roster. Granted the Suns owner does seem like the type that is always going to try and field a big name team and that might be a destination city even after Durant retires
I personally don't think a fringe type move is gonna fix much. The 5th - 9th men on this team are not particular good or bad; they just don't play much or at the very least don't shoot much. Kings built a team where their Big 5 essentially carry all the offensive load and the guys after are more-so defensive players or non-shot creators.
I just think this teams lacks an identity. What is it? Even the coaching staff don't seem clear on it. I believe in preseason Brown was preaching non-stop to push the pace, play physical, etc. - Yet the personnel isn't there to do those things. And I'm not talking the 6-9 guys on the roster. The Big 5 don't have the length, speed, size to play that identity.
Only thing that will improve this team is some major shakeup - Using Fox, Monk, DeRozan, Sabonis, or Murray to facilitate a bigger trade. If they're not willing to do that, it's fine but not much will change in my opinion.
I just think this teams lacks an identity. What is it? Even the coaching staff don't seem clear on it. I believe in preseason Brown was preaching non-stop to push the pace, play physical, etc. - Yet the personnel isn't there to do those things. And I'm not talking the 6-9 guys on the roster. The Big 5 don't have the length, speed, size to play that identity.
Only thing that will improve this team is some major shakeup - Using Fox, Monk, DeRozan, Sabonis, or Murray to facilitate a bigger trade. If they're not willing to do that, it's fine but not much will change in my opinion.
Didn't we see exactly this in the Denver game when these guys scored 47 points in the second quarter with a non-stop flurry of fast break and semi break baskets? We have seen Monk, Fox, and Sabonis push the pace relentlessly in stretches this season. I don't think there's anyone who can stop this team when they're in a groove offensively. The real mystery is why we only seem to be doing that for one or two quarters at a time and the rest of the time settling into a predictable iso-based drive and kick offense without a lot of clever screening or off-ball movement to create those open shots.
On the defensive end, our mostly smallish wings have punched above their weight as shot blockers, rebounders, and general disrupters in the painted area. But there's only so much our guards and wings can do without real depth on the frontline to back them up. Sooner or later Monte just has to bite the bullet and trade some of his guard/wing depth for a real defensive big. It's strange to me with as much emphasis as we saw placed on the big man pursuit in the 2023 off-season (with Queta, Noel, and McGee all signing non-guaranteed contracts that summer) that this position was just ignored last off-season.
On the defensive end, our mostly smallish wings have punched above their weight as shot blockers, rebounders, and general disrupters in the painted area. But there's only so much our guards and wings can do without real depth on the frontline to back them up. Sooner or later Monte just has to bite the bullet and trade some of his guard/wing depth for a real defensive big. It's strange to me with as much emphasis as we saw placed on the big man pursuit in the 2023 off-season (with Queta, Noel, and McGee all signing non-guaranteed contracts that summer) that this position was just ignored last off-season.
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Mikal bridges got 5 first rounders and he is a theoretical elite role player not a star
Mitchell got Lauri, Sexton, Ogbaji, 3 firsts and 2 swaps
Gobert got Kessler and a ton of picks.
Star players in their prime and under contract are worth a truckload. It’s really hard to sign max level free agents so they have to be acquired via trade.
Mitchell got Lauri, Sexton, Ogbaji, 3 firsts and 2 swaps
Gobert got Kessler and a ton of picks.
Star players in their prime and under contract are worth a truckload. It’s really hard to sign max level free agents so they have to be acquired via trade.
There has been talk he wants to team up with Bam in Miami, Herro has been playing out of his mind this year (not the talent Fox is obviously), but they don't really have any big time assets (Hero being the main one)unless the Kings rate Ware/Jaquez/Jovic and a pick and Roziers or maybe Robinson expiring. Miami could move Jimmy than for better fitting players and younger players.
I don't want the Kings to trade Fox but part of me is wondering maybe the reason the Kings drafted Carter was because of this possible situation
I don't want the Kings to trade Fox but part of me is wondering maybe the reason the Kings drafted Carter was because of this possible situation
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Right, which is why is why posts talking about “dumping” Fox are misleading. You have to think rationally, and if this season ends the way it looks now you can still get great return for this asset if you move next summer. But wait until next trade deadline when all you have to offer is a short term rental? Then you may have to settle for a “dump” but it’s your own fault for waiting too long.
it’s not a rental with an in prime “star” though. Any team trading for him is not trading for his current contract, they are trading for the right to sign him to his next one. Going to be hard for teams to have 50 plus in cap space to sign him in free agency. He essentially has to be traded if another teams wants him and that puts the ball in our court.