Tyrese Watch
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Been three weeks and haven't heard his name much except to clown him despite him having a huge game during this stretch. Like over on reddit they are making memes just pooping all over him.
Watching game now he has 4 points entering the 4th. On twitter right now he is getting roasted as the worst contract in the NBA.
Is this turning into a Ben Simmons situation? It can't be?
Watching game now he has 4 points entering the 4th. On twitter right now he is getting roasted as the worst contract in the NBA.
Is this turning into a Ben Simmons situation? It can't be?
I wouldn't go that far yet. But I do think that Hali has regressed back to his mean, which would be closer to a 18 pts 9 assist type PG instead of the 27 pts, 12 asst PG (for 2 months last year) that landed him that super max contract.
I loved Hali when he was a King, but he has enjoyed the lime life a little too much since his sudden "stardom" last year. He needs to get back to focusing on basketball and not worry about being a podcast star and WWE shows during the year. I had my doubts that he could become a legit #1 option on offense (i.e. 24ppg scorer) and I think we are seeing that now. He's a pass first PG and secondary scorer.
I loved Hali when he was a King, but he has enjoyed the lime life a little too much since his sudden "stardom" last year. He needs to get back to focusing on basketball and not worry about being a podcast star and WWE shows during the year. I had my doubts that he could become a legit #1 option on offense (i.e. 24ppg scorer) and I think we are seeing that now. He's a pass first PG and secondary scorer.
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His Home/Road shooting splits this season are eye-opening for sure. He had that insane stretch at the beginning of last year, but his counting stats outside of that are pretty consistent. I think he is a good player but not great when the contract says he's great. Expectations really alter the lens from which things are viewed and evaluated. Ultimately, I think the expectations have changed the most (outside of his shooting woes on the road this year).
That 2 month stretch just 100% elevated everyone's expectation of him. There was literal talks if he could be the best player in the NBA and compete with Ant as a the "new face" of American basketball.
I'm very confident he's still an all-star (long-term, probably not this year with his start) and one of the best offensive hubs in basketball, but it's very clear everyone jumped the gun on him being next up.
I'm very confident he's still an all-star (long-term, probably not this year with his start) and one of the best offensive hubs in basketball, but it's very clear everyone jumped the gun on him being next up.
Exactly, Hali looked to defer all the time next to Fox. When he was the lone dog (before Siakam got to Indiana) he was taking the initiative to be the #1. Now Hali looks like the same passive scorer like he was with the Kings.
Good point with Keegan too. I think they come with the same mindset that they would rather not step on other players toes and they become passive. It's been worse this year because instead of being the #3 option, Keegan is now #4 and has become even more passive. Personally, if Keegan ever got traded to a team that game him the keys (like Hali got at first), I could see Keegan scoring take off.
Good point with Keegan too. I think they come with the same mindset that they would rather not step on other players toes and they become passive. It's been worse this year because instead of being the #3 option, Keegan is now #4 and has become even more passive. Personally, if Keegan ever got traded to a team that game him the keys (like Hali got at first), I could see Keegan scoring take off.
Tyrese is battling some injuries right now so I don’t want to pile on but it feels like his court vision has gotten worse and worse as the season has progressed (also teams have finally caught on to that jumpfake he does where he absolutely never ever try’s to score off of it while in the air and it’s resulted in like three turnovers in this game alone)
This is the fear for a small market franchise trying to take its swing a bit early. Siakam is an excellent player, but he's a known quantity, and there's not some new gear for him to discover or some new level-up for him to take at this stage of his career. So when you trade for him and then sign him to a max deal, you had better be sure that Haliburton is on a superstar trajectory. If he's not, then you might have just locked yourself into NBA purgatory. It's why I remain thrilled that the Kings pulled off the DDR trade rather than a hypothetical Ingram trade, where they'd have to re-sign the guy to max money, cross their fingers, and hope for the best.
Honestly, I just think it's that neither Siakam nor Haliburton are killers. They're both largely deferential stars. Fox may sometimes coast for a couple quarters, or for long stretches of the season, but at least he's reactive in the clutch. The guy wants to be big time in big moments. Hali's a fun player, but I've continually gotten the sense from him that he's a "good times" guy. When things are going well, when it's all smiles and vibes, he thrives. He's got a loose, goofy energy that's attractive to the social media-driven culture of the modern NBA. But I have yet to be convinced that he's the blossoming superstar he was hyped to be by all of the stat geek types last season. I don't see him as the lead attacker in an offense that wants to chew through the defense during tough fourth quarters.
They should probably look to move Mathurin. Isn’t a fit with Tyrese. They were far more balanced and effective after he went out last season. Pretty sure before he went out for the season they were treading water record wise.
Siakam isn’t that great. I think stylistically he’s a good fit for the team but they should probably have another guy or two(outside of Tyrese) that is clearly better than him. They don’t.
Neither is Myles Turner.
Tyrese needs to play better too but he was never going to be the guy he was in the in season tournament full time.
Every all star caliber player has a month or two through their career you can point to where they can be viewed as a potential “face of the league” but Tyrese ceiling is likely somewhere between his 2023 in season tournament and how he’s playing now.
Which is extremely good but not the future of the NBA.
Siakam isn’t that great. I think stylistically he’s a good fit for the team but they should probably have another guy or two(outside of Tyrese) that is clearly better than him. They don’t.
Neither is Myles Turner.
Tyrese needs to play better too but he was never going to be the guy he was in the in season tournament full time.
Every all star caliber player has a month or two through their career you can point to where they can be viewed as a potential “face of the league” but Tyrese ceiling is likely somewhere between his 2023 in season tournament and how he’s playing now.
Which is extremely good but not the future of the NBA.
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Honestly, his offense has always been the biggest obstacle preventing him from reaching the All-Star potential that people expected when we first traded him away. Initially, I was concerned that his unorthodox shooting motion—where he pauses before setting up the shot—would hold him back, but it seems he's managed to speed it up. Still, his inability to attack the basket remains a noticeable flaw.
Looking back, we were smart to trade him when we did. In a world obsessed with instant gratification and easily swept up in short-term hype, we let everyone think they had pulled off a steal, like the Kings had traded away a modern-day Stockton.
Looking back, we were smart to trade him when we did. In a world obsessed with instant gratification and easily swept up in short-term hype, we let everyone think they had pulled off a steal, like the Kings had traded away a modern-day Stockton.