[Game] Kings vs. Timberwolves 10/24/2024 7pm Pacific 10pm Eastern

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No overall problem with the performance. I think the Kings looked good.

Wolves made double the amount of threes. Kings erased most of it at the free throw line and not turning it over a lot but that is +27 that is difficult to overcome.

A good portion of them just squaring up and not even the result of defensive breakdowns, but there was a lot in the third.

Kings need to find a balance between the isolation of DDR, Fox and Monk…and the Domas facilitation which was notably scarce tonight. The particular matchup might have a lot to do with that though, so we’ll see.

DDR is a force getting to the line. I think he could’ve shared a bit more in crunch time but he’s just what this team needs.

Domas had a good game regardless in a finisher role. Especially like the threes though there was still some hesitation in the midrange.

Keegan was excellent. I liked that he got the last shot as well.

Fox was strong in the first half. Not as good in the second.

Monk was excellent but the bench as a whole wasn’t very good and still needs some work.

Kings STILL lack front court and wing depth, dynamism and athleticism and it’s why players like Randle have and will continue to cook them.

I think the Kings have improved their team but that is still a pretty glaring hole that I don’t understand why Monte continues to neglect.

Huerter was a hole. I’ll stall him out since he literally just got cleared but that was a problem last season where it seemed every game there was atleast one or two Kings starter be it Huerter, Barnes, or Keegan that just didn’t do anything offensively. We can’t have that this season

On to the next one, we’ll be alright. Wolves have even higher expectations too and they were facing 0-2
Huerter's never going to do anything if you sign an all star to play the souped up Barnes role and all the increased usage that implies. He already ended up looking invisible as is when we promoted Keegan offensively last year.
 
This reminded me of the Warriors preseason games where we were playing better and were clearly a better team but the three pointers from Golden state made it close at half time.

There was a ton of things to be excited about with this game: Keegan looks great, Domas stretching the floor, DDR being a dawg, Monk shining. I’m still optimistic.

What do y’all see as a possible solution to the 3 pt volume issue?
I think the solution is Huerter returning as a 40% shooter along with more McDermott. Keegan and DeRozan played heavy minutes tonight with 43 a piece at the 3/4 spots. I think the aim should be closer to 37, which would leave more minutes for the bench guys to contribute a little bit more and get into a solid rotation.
 
Kevin held his own on defense tonight, thought he was really solid/above average. Monk actually played good defense today too, he locked it down on a couple possessions, but it makes you wonder why he doesn't put more effort on that end...

Overall, I'm pleased with the way Kevin played. Yeah he went 0-3 from 3pt, but he only played 20mins. His missed shots didn't disrupt the flow of the game, and it's further supported by him having a team high +9.


I agree with you. It'll get ugly during games where Keegan has an off-shooting night. Your best bet is hoping Huerter gets back to form, we really need him to hit those open shots. I think we saw Brown try to rely on Lyles and Monk for 3s, but Lyles was a complete negative, forcing him to turn to McDermott for 3pt shooting.

I think Doug could be your answer
Huerter was terrible and easily the weakest link of the top 9 who played tonight.
 
It didn't feel like Brown trusted the guys without DeRozan (the Wolves went on a run without him in the game). During the times where DeRozan is out of the game, I would really like to see Fox revert back to his aggressive scoring self with a lineup of Monk, Keegan, Lyles, and Keon/Len(match-up depdendent). Give Fox some space to work with and remind him that it's still his team.
 
Huerter's never going to do anything if you sign an all star to play the souped up Barnes role and all the increased usage that implies. He already ended up looking invisible as is when we promoted Keegan offensively last year.
Maybe for this years team we just need him to play the role Grayson Allen did for the Suns last year. 7-8 3 point attemps a game and hope he makes 40-42 percent
 
I'm going to push back on this just a bit. I have no problem with DeMar's shot selection because he put points on the board and he's demanding defensive attention whenever he has the ball. We don't need all 5 guys to be shooters and it's refreshing that we finally have a guy who can just go get a bucket at will. It does mean Huerter, Ellis, and Fox can't all be shying away from shooting the three ball in the same game though like they were tonight.
how do you envision us closing the attempts gap or do you not think that is a problem?
 
He's not a focal point for an offense or a guy who is going to take a high volume of shots, but I guess I value his defense and the fact that he doesn't force contested shots, more than most. I also think his ability to shoot is still underrated
On a team where we really lack 3pt shooting, Keon needs to learn to be a guy who can take all types of 3pt shots. On the catch, on the move, in transition, taking ball screens, rejecting ball screens, etc. Right now he's limiting himself to just stand-still 3s when his feet are set. You can see him get a little uncomfortable when defenders are in a position to close out, and that's where a lot of us see when we call him a "hesitating" shooter.

Beyond the Kings, if he wants to stick in this league, he'll have to force himself to be more of a comfortable shooter. He doesn't really do much else on offense, and all of it rides almost entirely on his 3pt shooting. He can bring the ball up, but he doesn't do much with it.
 
Huerter's never going to do anything if you sign an all star to play the souped up Barnes role and all the increased usage that implies. He already ended up looking invisible as is when we promoted Keegan offensively last year.
That's the problem. If they don't feature him in the offense like they did in that first season, he doesn't have nearly the chance to gain the rhythm he needs in order to be a valuable piece on a playoff team
 
On a team where we really lack 3pt shooting, Keon needs to learn to be a guy who can take all types of 3pt shots. On the catch, on the move, in transition, taking ball screens, rejecting ball screens, etc. Right now he's limiting himself to just stand-still 3s when his feet are set. You can see him get a little uncomfortable when defenders are in a position to close out, and that's where a lot of us see when we call him a "hesitating" shooter.

Beyond the Kings, if he wants to stick in this league, he'll have to force himself to be more of a comfortable shooter. He doesn't really do much else on offense, and all of it rides almost entirely on his 3pt shooting. He can bring the ball up, but he doesn't do much with it.
and with all that said, I still like him as a better fit with this starting 5. They need defensive focus in order to be a threat to win a playoff series
 
and with all that said, I still like him as a better fit with this starting 5. They need defensive focus in order to be a threat to win a playoff series
Overall, I think any offensive hesitance on Keon's part is a lot better masked if he's starting with these other high usage options, while it's a lot more glaring on the bench unit.

Exact opposite for Huerter, he's never going to get any shot attempts and since he provides nothing else, he's going to flounder. He probably gets more shot attempts off the bench.

The decision was just utterly baffling to me for that reason.
 
Keegan 8
Huerter 6
Monk 5
Keon 4
Domas 2
Fox 5
DDR 2
Lyles 3

That gets you to 35 3PA. Probably still not enough, but a bit closer to where we want to get. I think it's got to be Huerter/Monk really stepping up their volume
and at least 40-50% of the catch and shoot variety. C&S 3’s with NBA players is one of the best shots in the game. Our guards combined had maybe 4 or 5 total.

We won’t win many games if that continues.
 
Overall, I think any offensive hesitance on Keon's part is a lot better masked if he's starting with these other high usage options, while it's a lot more glaring on the bench unit.

Exact opposite for Huerter, he's never going to get any shot attempts and since he provides nothing else, he's going to flounder. He probably gets more shot attempts off the bench.

The decision was just utterly baffling to me for that reason.
I totally agree. The fit just makes so much more sense the other way around. I thought Huerter could have regained some rhythm and confidence with the second unit, as a 2nd or 3rd option in the offense. Now he's the clear 5th option as a starter, which is not likely to be enough to boost him back to where he was (value wise) in his first season
 
and with all that said, I still like him as a better fit with this starting 5. They need defensive focus in order to be a threat to win a playoff series
There's no doubt that we have to get much better on defense to win a playoff series, but we also really need a 3pt specialist around Fox-DeRozan-Sabonis. I think that's what it ultimately comes down to. Being completely honest, if we didn't start Huerter, I think I might prefer McDermott in the lineup instead of Keon... that's how much I think we need 3pt shooting around our trio.

I really liked what Huerter showed on defense tonight. It helped that the T-Wolves don't have good guard play outside of Ant, but if he can play defense at this intensity/level and not lose his man, I think it's good enough for our starting unit. In crunch time where we need defensive stops more than the 3pt shooting/floor spacing, I think that's where we can lean on Keon a bit more.

I can't even believe I'm defending Huerter this much. I'm someone who wanted him gone after the GS series, but his shooting ability brings a lot of value to this team. He's becoming really underrated now. He's got solid ball skills, and I think there'll be future games where we'll see more action between him and Sabonis.
 
There's no doubt that we have to get much better on defense to win a playoff series, but we also really need a 3pt specialist around Fox-DeRozan-Sabonis. I think that's what it ultimately comes down to. Being completely honest, if we didn't start Huerter, I think I might prefer McDermott in the lineup instead of Keon... that's how much I think we need 3pt shooting around our trio.

I really liked what Huerter showed on defense tonight. It helped that the T-Wolves don't have good guard play outside of Ant, but if he can play defense at this intensity/level and not lose his man, I think it's good enough for our starting unit. In crunch time where we need defensive stops more than the 3pt shooting/floor spacing, I think that's where we can lean on Keon a bit more.

I can't even believe I'm defending Huerter this much. I'm someone who wanted him gone after the GS series, but his shooting ability brings a lot of value to this team. He's becoming really underrated now. He's got solid ball skills, and I think there'll be future games where we'll see more action between him and Sabonis.
You're saying we need much better defense to win a series, but then not valuing the player who is your best guard defender. You have a wing defender in Murray and a guard defender in Ellis. Is anybody else on the team considered a defensive stopper? If you don't lean into them in a way that best fits the team, you won't be much better on defense and are less likely to win a playoff series.

3 point shooting is great, more so in the regular season, but if you don't have an average defense, the odds of winning a series, let alone becoming a contender, is pretty small
 
There were some real positives to take from the game:

1) DeRozan looked fairly comfortable on offense and scored a team-high 26 points
2) Sabonis hit 3-4 threes
3) Murray shot 47% from the field and 50% from three
4) Monk was 6-9 with four assists for 17 points
5) The defense was better than advertised
6) The Kings had only 9 turnovers against an excellent defensive team, compared to 16 for Minnesota, nearly all forced by Sacramento
7) The team shot 80% from the line; DeRozan alone was 12-14
 
Did you black out during the Lyles/Keon stints?

Huerter has to make shots, of course, but he was solid and ONCE AGAIN, the starting 5 with him on the floor was our most effective unit of the night.
Not defensively. And if you argue that it's only because we had to out Keegan on Edwards, and later on Randle. Keegan is an excellent defender but he needs someone else to help him. Randle got lit cuz the Kings had to hide Huerter in the 1st half. Huerter barely played the second half when Keegan put the clamps on Randle.

And yet Keeg still managed a 20 10 double. Keegan is gonna be a player.
 
A lot of Randles threes were contested. He won’t normally shoot like that so I’m not too down right now, just annoyed. Ugh
He normally doesn’t do that, but when he plays the kings everything he throws up from 3 goes in. Just one of those guys that feasts against the kings.
 
Tough loss, but this game put to rest my preseason panic. Murray looked great. Demar adds a completely different dynamic. I’m all for giving Huerter 10 games to get into a rhythm because we do need his shooting and size. Defense looked solid and to me they looked every bit as strong as the wolves. An even matchup that could have gone either way. Fox got out of sorts in the 4th.

I will say the mcbuckets cameo to start the 4th was a bit odd, but I guess brown was looking for a potential jolt.
 
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