Woj: Kings, Mike Brown table contract discussions, far apart on deal

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So I think it's tacky AF. But my primary objection in this case is the way it was leaked is in a way that sounds like it's coming from the Kings camp and they are just totally out of touch with market value when (if it really is coming from Brown) it's being done to get leverage by making the Kings camp look and sound stupid by leaking a totally outrageous under-market contract offer as "fair" or generous.

I dunno, again like I said I might just be showing my age, Brown signed a contract that he thought was fair. The Kings should happily adjust it. But doing this makes him the bad guy, not them.
I’m saying that both sides are probably leaking stuff to gain leverage. Personally I’m fine with enjoying the show.

Is Brown trying to escape his contract? I thought we were talking about a new contract
 
Probably just me showing my age, but you're as good as your word and to me a signed contract is your word.
Which is what some of us have been saying the whole time. Work hard and make productive adjustments during the last guaranteed year of the contract he agreed to, then if things go well enough, be in position to get rewarded with a much bigger contract.

He's making a lot more now than he was as an assistant in Golden State. If they Kings hadn't hired him, he might still be there, like Kenny Atkinson is
 
I'm not going to pretend Brown didn't play Ellis until he literally didn't have a choice and Monte shouldn't either. Let him prove his worth this season with DC ready to take over THIS season if need be.
 

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I’m saying that both sides are probably leaking stuff to gain leverage. Personally I’m fine with enjoying the show.

Is Brown trying to escape his contract? I thought we were talking about a new contract
The Kings have been extraordinarily tight lipped under Monte and all the leaks are making them look incompetent and cheap. Pretty safe they aren't the ones leaking unless there is a rat on the inside.

Brown's not trying to escape, but he's got his own option for year 4 and is underpaid by recent contract standards so he's got the Kings in a bit of a vice.
 

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Which is what some of us have been saying the whole time. Work hard and make productive adjustments during the last guaranteed year of the contract he agreed to, then if things go well enough, be in position to get rewarded with a much bigger contract.

He's making a lot more now than he was as an assistant in Golden State. If they Kings hadn't hired him, he might still be there, like Kenny Atkinson is
It isn't the Kings fault that the average price of recent coaching hires has gone through the moon but they should just make it right and catch Brown up so he doesn't leave after next season and leave us in need of a new coach who is probably going to demand more than 10 million.

Just bump him up to the new "low" price and add a year. That's getting off easy if that's all it is going to take. and if he won't take that, then you leak it and change the narrative.
 
The Kings have been extraordinarily tight lipped under Monte and all the leaks are making them look incompetent and cheap. Pretty safe they aren't the ones leaking unless there is a rat on the inside.
I'm not ready to assume that's true about *all* leaks.

Just bump him up to the new "low" price and add a year. That's getting off easy if that's all it is going to take. and if he won't take that, then you leak it and change the narrative.
I figure Brown's market value is probably at its height after the unanimous COY, and will gradually decrease after that. (Kings having playoff runs will help to retain his value),

I would be surprised if a 1 year lowball offer will do it, compared to the allure of free agency next year. That said, there are not a lot of head coach openings every year, maybe a year of stability is more desirable than creating generational wealth?
 
Buddy would be the other recent example of negotiating in public, and that didn't bother me either.

Competition needs stakes, and money is pretty effective at motivating competitive people. And everyone in the NBA is a competitive person
If you need money to motivate you when you're already making godly levels of money like this, well, good luck haha. The only time I want to see incentives like this in sports is when it's tied to winning. That's it. Maybe some of the health things like weight limits and stuff but it shouldn't change the way someone actually plays or approaches the game. Pro sports is a prime example of monetizing was is a lot closer to art in it's purest form than business. But the NBA isn't a sport either, it's entertainment so....
 
I'm not going to pretend Brown didn't play Ellis until he literally didn't have a choice and Monte shouldn't either. Let him prove his worth this season with DC ready to take over THIS season if need be.
Sure, but it was likely minor in the end and at least he eventually did make the adjustment. That's a 1000% improvement from years prior haha. Lame duck status probably doesn't ruin the locker room but it dings up the idea of being a united front.
 
If you need money to motivate you when you're already making godly levels of money like this, well, good luck haha.
Two ways to look at it
  1. Money is the ultimate competitive scoreboard. It’s inherently scarce and exclusive. It’s not about having more than you need, it’s about having more than the other guy
  2. Players are basically executives of small businesses unto themselves, and the purpose of every business is to profit
 

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The Kings have been extraordinarily tight lipped under Monte and all the leaks are making them look incompetent and cheap. Pretty safe they aren't the ones leaking unless there is a rat on the inside.

Brown's not trying to escape, but he's got his own option for year 4 and is underpaid by recent contract standards so he's got the Kings in a bit of a vice.
Yeah but opting out of an option because the market has adjusted higher and your performance relative to your peers warrants a raise isn't unethical at all, it's the point of the option. If he had stunk up the place then the team doesn't pick up the option for next season. If he's worth more than the option amount (which is already the case) than he should opt out next season and ask for more.

As far as leaking / not leaking of contract offers, I'm sure that's an agent-driven decision and people who can afford to have agents have them to do the financial negotiations on their behalf so they can just focus on what they're being paid to do.

Whether going into this final season without an extension in place is a good idea or not depends on your point of view. Monte wasted no time in locking up Sabonis to a new contract instead of waiting for his current one to expire and has already made an offer to Fox. If, by contrast, Mike Brown is in the "wait and see" camp that feels to me like he's not being valued as a franchise building block on par with our star players and from my point of view, that would be a mistake. We've had star level players before and gotten nowhere because of terrible coaching.

$10 million a year in a world where a star player can make up to $80 million a year isn't a tall ask for a proven coach who has worked with hall of fame players throughout his career, is well liked in Sacramento, and has the team playing well. This season was a little disappointing in comparison but everything that happened in year one -- the team winning 48 games, breaking the no-playoff streak in spectacular fashion by finishing the season with the 3 seed and taking a 2-0 series lead on the defending champs (before injuries altered the circumstances), and Mike Brown being voted unanimously the Coach of the Year -- already warrants the dollar amount he's asking for.
 

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Yeah but opting out of an option because the market has adjusted higher and your performance relative to your peers warrants a raise isn't unethical at all, it's the point of the option. If he had stunk up the place then the team doesn't pick up the option for next season. If he's worth more than the option amount (which is already the case) than he should opt out next season and ask for more.

As far as leaking / not leaking of contract offers, I'm sure that's an agent-driven decision and people who can afford to have agents have them to do the financial negotiations on their behalf so they can just focus on what they're being paid to do.

Whether going into this final season without an extension in place is a good idea or not depends on your point of view. Monte wasted no time in locking up Sabonis to a new contract instead of waiting for his current one to expire and has already made an offer to Fox. If, by contrast, Mike Brown is in the "wait and see" camp that feels to me like he's not being valued as a franchise building block on par with our star players and from my point of view, that would be a mistake. We've had star level players before and gotten nowhere because of terrible coaching.

$10 million a year in a world where a star player can make up to $80 million a year isn't a tall ask for a proven coach who has worked with hall of fame players throughout his career, is well liked in Sacramento, and has the team playing well. This season was a little disappointing in comparison but everything that happened in year one -- the team winning 48 games, breaking the no-playoff streak in spectacular fashion by finishing the season with the 3 seed and taking a 2-0 series lead on the defending champs (before injuries altered the circumstances), and Mike Brown being voted unanimously the Coach of the Year -- already warrants the dollar amount he's asking for.
To be clear, I have no issue with him opting out of year 4, and I do think the Kings should just offer him a raise right now, lock in the option year and add one more year to the deal (as a Kings only option).

But I do have an issue if he is leaking terms to get that raise for year 3, even though I do think the Kings should do it as the right thing to do.

That's why I think both sides look incredibly stupid right now. ... edit, saw we have a deal. Hope it is 3/30.
 

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To be clear, I have no issue with him opting out of year 4, and I do think the Kings should just offer him a raise right now, lock in the option year and add one more year to the deal (as a Kings only option).

But I do have an issue if he is leaking terms to get that raise for year 3, even though I do think the Kings should do it as the right thing to do.

That's why I think both sides look incredibly stupid right now. ... edit, saw we have a deal. Hope it is 3/30.
I guess it doesn't matter now. :) But really I think it's worth noting that the leak thing (if there was an intentional leak involved) is so normalized now in the era of instant news as to be automatic for agents who get paid to maximize leverage for their clients. I doubt Mike Brown had a hand in that even if it came from his agent.
 
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