Woj: Kings, Mike Brown table contract discussions, far apart on deal
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I told you appart from Boston ... They are by far the best squad at this moment in the NBA ...
May point about Denver was that when the project with Jokic and Murray started they were not anywhere near the level they are ... if my memory is good they missed the play-offs in the first couple of seasons ... but we are in that postition now , who knows maybe in the next 5 year we will do whatever they did ?
For Phily - they don't have talanted squad - they have one STAR ... and maybe one rising star (maxey)
Knick , cavs , wolves and okc i trully dont see what they have more then us ... Domas and Fox are among the top 10 best duos in the league 100% , Murray is one of the good level rising stars , Monk is the best 6th player , my apologies to the oficial pick , you have the beloved vet , an ''elite'' shooter who just happen to have the worst season in his life (huerter) and one elite defender who is just rising on the scene (ellis)
That is not bad potential , isn't it ???
May point about Denver was that when the project with Jokic and Murray started they were not anywhere near the level they are ... if my memory is good they missed the play-offs in the first couple of seasons ... but we are in that postition now , who knows maybe in the next 5 year we will do whatever they did ?
For Phily - they don't have talanted squad - they have one STAR ... and maybe one rising star (maxey)
Knick , cavs , wolves and okc i trully dont see what they have more then us ... Domas and Fox are among the top 10 best duos in the league 100% , Murray is one of the good level rising stars , Monk is the best 6th player , my apologies to the oficial pick , you have the beloved vet , an ''elite'' shooter who just happen to have the worst season in his life (huerter) and one elite defender who is just rising on the scene (ellis)
That is not bad potential , isn't it ???
TBH, it would be a difficult ask to get your boss to give you a double your salary raise right after you missed a major goal for your job, of making the playoffs. That would mean that 16 coaches did a better job than MB this year and I’m pretty sure a $9 mil/year contract would put him in the upper half of coaches salary.
MB is a good coach and he does deserve a new contract. So they should just meet somewhere in the middle, ie 3 years guaranteed at $8.5 mil and $10.0 mil with achievable bonuses (ie make the playoffs and get the $10mil).
MB is a good coach and he does deserve a new contract. So they should just meet somewhere in the middle, ie 3 years guaranteed at $8.5 mil and $10.0 mil with achievable bonuses (ie make the playoffs and get the $10mil).
Did I say we were bad? No
I asked you what teams were more talented than. Us being better than Denver 5 years ago doesn't matter now does it?
-Philly does have a talented team with an MVP. Not sure what your point is there. If they didn't have Embiid, we'd be better than them. They do have Embiid, so they're better than us.
-Did you watch the playoffs? All 4 of the Knicks/Cavs/Wolves/OKC played extremely well with high end elite stars and quality depth. I think we're close-ish to NYK/CLE, but OKC and Minny clearly have jumped over us by a country mile.
I asked you what teams were more talented than. Us being better than Denver 5 years ago doesn't matter now does it?
-Philly does have a talented team with an MVP. Not sure what your point is there. If they didn't have Embiid, we'd be better than them. They do have Embiid, so they're better than us.
-Did you watch the playoffs? All 4 of the Knicks/Cavs/Wolves/OKC played extremely well with high end elite stars and quality depth. I think we're close-ish to NYK/CLE, but OKC and Minny clearly have jumped over us by a country mile.
Watched just some of the West games , East are too early for me , when we are not involved in such game ...
But i will stop here cause otherwise we will have to make a separate thread for our conversation only
For me all those 5 teams arent ''more talanted'' then King - 76,NY,Cavs,Wolves,OKC ... Simply my opinion
For Denver - this is more like hard work and stick together then pure talant , but yes at this point they are way ahead of us
But i will stop here cause otherwise we will have to make a separate thread for our conversation only
For me all those 5 teams arent ''more talanted'' then King - 76,NY,Cavs,Wolves,OKC ... Simply my opinion
For Denver - this is more like hard work and stick together then pure talant , but yes at this point they are way ahead of us
The Kings and Mike Brown are involved in a contract negotiation. No one ever accepts the first offer and seldom is that the best offer. He should be compensated retroactively for making the Playoffs the previous season and continued success this past season (Though less than expected). Somewhere around 30 for 3 which should include incentives IMO.
The Incentives should be tiered. +.500 record, steady gains on winning percentage at home AND on the road. Free throw percentage should be discussed IMO, whats measured is managed and Mike Brown and staff should start managing those things THIS summer. IMO improvement starts with Coaching.
The Players and Front Office have to do their part to make it happen. The players should be held accountable to put in the work. Of course McNair and crew need to improve the squad without mortgaging the future.
Vivek should pay the man, but do it wisely.
The Incentives should be tiered. +.500 record, steady gains on winning percentage at home AND on the road. Free throw percentage should be discussed
IMO, whats measured is managed and Mike Brown and staff should start managing those things THIS summer. IMO improvement starts with Coaching.The Players and Front Office have to do their part to make it happen. The players should be held accountable to put in the work. Of course McNair and crew need to improve the squad without mortgaging the future.
Vivek should pay the man, but do it wisely.
It’s believed the leak on the “fair” offer came from Brown camp indirectly so as to put pressure on ownership. Really don’t like the negotiations to be in the public eye…..things could go wrong. Just get it done on both sides already. Then go to work on improving the roster. Kings are primed to make a jump with the right roster moves and less injuries luck this coming year AND getting Monk back AND bringing Brown back.
Yep, they play to the players strengths rather than approaching basketball as a set ideology in terms of "how it's played if you want to win". That's what I mean by player empowerment. Pop in recent years has shown he'll change based around his personnel. Joerger was a little more set in terms of what he wanted. Hence why when Buddy dragged his team back by bombing 3's, Joerger was already halfway out to the floor to yell at Buddy as Buddy just save dthe teams butt on the biggest one and Joerger then proceeded to run him down, hahaha. I get it, it wasn't the play but man, Buddy's Buddy. At the start Joerger had Vlade bring in Hill and Randolph and they got way too much of the pie.
This obviously isn't about the money, it's about messaging and pressure to win. The Kings love those bonuses. Personally? I hate them. I thought it was Vlade doing that, but clearly not. Someone, maybe Vivek, thinks those incentives actually work. This isn't the tech industry based on commissions bro, lol. The NBA is built on a narrative, as untrue as it may be, that your franchise is like "family". That's why players get so hurt when they do get traded.
Very true, but is that HIS fault? Or the person putting his team together? When teams around you add talent and you drop? It's a pretty easy call as to what happened unless your team has major injuries which the Kings really didn't. Towards the end they did but the Kings drop started long before that.
TBH I think Brown and his camp suck for doing this. He did sign a contract at what he thought was a fair price and the market completely blew up and now he's not getting market value. The Kings should correct that.
Both sides look like crap here.
I was never on the fire Brown promote Jordi train but it does suck that option is off the table because if Brown is leaking it to make the Kings look bad I find that disgusting. Especially for an org that's done well to stop leaks since we got rid of Brandon Williams and Dave Joerger.
Probably just me showing my age, but you're as good as your word and to me a signed contract is your word.
Both sides look like crap here.
I was never on the fire Brown promote Jordi train but it does suck that option is off the table because if Brown is leaking it to make the Kings look bad I find that disgusting. Especially for an org that's done well to stop leaks since we got rid of Brandon Williams and Dave Joerger.
Probably just me showing my age, but you're as good as your word and to me a signed contract is your word.
It's not hard when they kind of only benefit one side unless these are CIA level tactics, haha. This is an attempt at making the Kings look cheap. This Shams leak makes it look like the Kings are saying they aren't cheap, but as a retread on his last option who came back from the bottom Brown needs to just earn his money by doing A, B, C, or whatever. Again, I hate the idea of using money to incentivize anyone involved in the ridiculously overpaid world of the NBA. All it could do IMO is breed bad thoughts. Like when they put that 3 point makes per season bonus or whatever it was into Buddy's deal. Really? Gee, you just literally created a scenario where it would financially unwise for Buddy to not take bad shots. Stupid. Whoever is putting those kind of deals together is obviously still involved with the organization in a major capacity. We'd have to see what the bonuses for Brown are but if it disrupts the integrity of the game it might disrupt your ability to WIN games.
Typically leadership roles have a lot of compensation tied up in bonuses that are dependent on the overall success of the business. When the business does well, you do well, even if your particular division didn't accomplish all it's objectives.
With the business of the Kings due to get around a $100 million increase in revenue (separate from player salaries), the business is doing well, and that would typically be used to motivate an organizations leaders
With the business of the Kings due to get around a $100 million increase in revenue (separate from player salaries), the business is doing well, and that would typically be used to motivate an organizations leaders
So I think it's tacky AF. But my primary objection in this case is the way it was leaked is in a way that sounds like it's coming from the Kings camp and they are just totally out of touch with market value when (if it really is coming from Brown) it's being done to get leverage by making the Kings camp look and sound stupid by leaking a totally outrageous under-market contract offer as "fair" or generous.
I dunno, again like I said I might just be showing my age, Brown signed a contract that he thought was fair. The Kings should happily adjust it. But doing this makes him the bad guy, not them.
I dunno, again like I said I might just be showing my age, Brown signed a contract that he thought was fair. The Kings should happily adjust it. But doing this makes him the bad guy, not them.
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