[2024] Gone But Not Forgotten

pdxKingsFan

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#4
Damn.

They shot Action Jackson down in Old Sac. My mom sent me to get Carl Weathers's autograph and I first approached his stunt man. Dude was hella cool and Carl was pretty rad too.

I think I came up with the "he should run for governor gag" long before SNL did a sketch on the matter.

I had posted on FB about Melanie when I heard the news (on bluesky of all places). I love Brand New Key. Forgot that she was a VF fave. The Dollyrots did a fun cover.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#5
I never saw Rocky until I was in my 40s. Strangely, throughout my youth I managed to see the first series of Rocky sequels (II, III, IV) several times. I enjoyed them (never thought they were amazing or became a 'fan'), but as I grew older in my memory they definitely fell into that "fluff" category, and as Stallone consistently made more and more fluff, I never felt the need to catch up with the original Rocky - every piece of evidence suggested it would be fluff. Well, every piece of evidence but one - the fact that it won the Oscar for Best Picture. And that nagged at me from time to time. So finally I sat down and watched Rocky to find that it really did deserve that award, and yes, Weathers' supporting role was a good part of that. The final fight scene in Rocky is one of the, say, 50 best five-minute stretches ever put to film, and that's high praise. And it succeeds in just about every way that it could, in the screenplay, the cinematography, the editing, the sound, and yes, the acting. Convince me that you're a world champion expecting a patsy to throw a fight in the third only to find yourself bloodied in the final round and concerned about nothing but never fighting this man again. Convince me of that while you're wearing a mouthpiece and bloodface from 17 camera angles. Convince me. Weathers convinced me. Well done.

RIP, Carl.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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#8
I won't elaborate, because it's too close to the line, but the social media trends in the wake of this news are... something.

That said, I make it a policy to not wish cancer on people. Not even Toby Keith.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#9
Mojo Nixon - 66

The most horrible part about this is he died on an Outlaw Country cruise :(

With apologies to the Dead Milkmen: "If we ain't got Mojo Nixon then this world can use some fixin'"
 

pdxKingsFan

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#16
Post punk/noise pioneer, lengendary indie music engineer/producer, and champion poker player Steve Albini dead at 61 (heart attack).



https://pitchfork.com/news/steve-al...-and-icon-of-the-rock-underground-dies-at-61/

If you aren't aware this guy had a hand on some of the most famous and important alternative record of all time, and yet he'd take any indie job at scale and no points. He is mostly known strictly as an engineer and capturing a band in their moment rather than redefining a band in the studio and this one really effing hurts/hit me hard when I read this morning. He was also highly accessible on twitter/x up until the end of last year. He was a true scholar and would talk frankly about the music hustle and educate artists about signing bad contracts and how their A&R guy wasn't their friend.

If not sure where to start Apple has a nice playlist up, updated today:
https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/steve-albini-the-engineers/pl.9965f5f9cb0b44afb92936db10e649b4
 

pdxKingsFan

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#18
I thought he did some stuff interesting after the movie - iirc he spun the concept off into other people doing things for 30 days, fact or fiction I think he inspired people (maybe too many of the wrong people) to do documentary work themselves. don't really think the current take on his primary work that made him famous or him as a person is very fair. RIP.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#19
I thought he did some stuff interesting after the movie - iirc he spun the concept off into other people doing things for 30 days, fact or fiction I think he inspired people (maybe too many of the wrong people) to do documentary work themselves. don't really think the current take on him is fair. RIP.
I mean, the dude also turned out to be a serial sexual predator creep guy so it’s hard to say the public sentiment around him isn’t totally unjustified.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#20
I mean, the dude also turned out to be a serial sexual predator creep guy so it’s hard to say the public sentiment around him isn’t totally unjustified.
oh I thought everyone dunking on him was about the alcoholism.
the fact is eating McDonalds and other fast food every day is awful, I know from first hand experience.
 
#21
Post punk/noise pioneer, lengendary indie music engineer/producer, and champion poker player Steve Albini dead at 61 (heart attack).



https://pitchfork.com/news/steve-al...-and-icon-of-the-rock-underground-dies-at-61/

If you aren't aware this guy had a hand on some of the most famous and important alternative record of all time, and yet he'd take any indie job at scale and no points. He is mostly known strictly as an engineer and capturing a band in their moment rather than redefining a band in the studio and this one really effing hurts/hit me hard when I read this morning. He was also highly accessible on twitter/x up until the end of last year. He was a true scholar and would talk frankly about the music hustle and educate artists about signing bad contracts and how their A&R guy wasn't their friend.

If not sure where to start Apple has a nice playlist up, updated today:
https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/steve-albini-the-engineers/pl.9965f5f9cb0b44afb92936db10e649b4
Haven't been on the board much lately, but wanted to shout out this eulogy. In my estimation, there are few who could make drums sound as good as Steve Albini. On top of his extraordinary ethical approaches in an industry not known for its ethics, as well as his artist-friendly posture as an engineer with affordable rates who would work to make you sound like the best version of you, it's hard to overstate his impact on the larger musical landscape.

If you've never seen his letter to Nirvana prior to the recording of In Utero, it's a phenomenal read:

Steve Albini said:
Kurt, Dave and Chris:

First let me apologize for taking a couple of days to put this outline together. When I spoke to Kurt I was in the middle of making a Fugazi album, but I thought I would have a day or so between records to sort everything out. My schedule changed unexpectedly, and this is the first moment I’ve had to go through it all. Apology.

I think the very best thing you could do at this point is exactly what you are talking about doing: bang a record out in a couple of days, with high quality but minimal “production” and no interference from the front office bulletheads. If that is indeed what you want to do, I would love to be involved.

If, instead, you might find yourselves in the position of being temporarily indulged by the record company, only to have them yank the chain at some point (hassling you to rework songs/sequences/production, calling-in hired guns to “sweeten” your record, turning the whole thing over to some remix jockey, whatever…) then you’re in for a bummer and I want no part of it.

I’m only interested in working on records that legitimately reflect the band’s own perception of their music and existence. If you will commit yourselves to that as a tenet of the recording methodology, then I will bust my ass for you. I’ll work circles around you. I’ll rap your head with a ratchet…

I have worked on hundreds of records (some great, some good, some horrible, a lot in the courtyard), and I have seen a direct correlation between the quality of the end result and the mood of the band throughout the process. If the record takes a long time, and everyone gets bummed and scrutinizes every step, then the recordings bear little resemblance to the live band, and the end result is seldom flattering. Making punk records is definitely a case where more “work” does not imply a better end result. Clearly you have learned this yourselves and appreciate the logic.

About my methodology and philosophy:

#1: Most contemporary engineers and producers see a record as a “project,” and the band as only one element of the project. Further, they consider the recordings to be a controlled layering of specific sounds, each of which is under complete control from the moment the note is conceived through the final six. If the band gets pushed around in the process of making a record, so be it; as long as the “project” meets with the approval of the fellow in control.

My approach is exactly the opposite.

I consider the band the most important thing, as the creative entity that spawned both the band’s personality and style and as the social entity that exists 24 hours out of each day. I do not consider it my place to tell you what to do or how to play. I’m quite willing to let my opinions be heard (if I think the band is making beautiful progress or a heaving mistake, I consider it part of my job to tell them) but if the band decides to pursue something, I’ll see that it gets done.

I like to leave room for accidents or chaos. Making a seamless record, where every note and syllable is in place and every bass drum is identical, is no trick. Any idiot with the patience and the budget to allow such foolishness can do it. I prefer to work on records that aspire to greater things, like originality, personality and enthusiasm. If every element of the music and dynamics of a band is controlled by click tracks, computers, automated mixes, gates, samplers and sequencers, then the record may not be incompetent, but it certainly won’t be exceptional. It will also bear very little relationship to the live band, which is what all this hooey is supposed to be about.

#2: I do not consider recording and mixing to be unrelated tasks which can be performed by specialists with no continuous involvement. 99 percent of the sound of a record should be established while the basic take is recorded. Your experiences are specific to your records; but in my experience, remixing has never solved any problems that actually existed, only imaginary ones. I do not like remixing other engineer’s recordings, and I do not like recording things for somebody else to remix. I have never been satisfied with either version of that methodology. Remixing is for talentless p*****s who don’t know how to tune a drum or point a microphone.

#3: I do not have a fixed gospel of stock sounds and recording techniques that I apply blindly to every band in every situation. You are a different band from any other band and deserve at least the respect of having your own tastes and concerns addressed. For example, I love the sound of a boomy drum kit (say a Gretach or Camco) wide open in a big room, especially with a Bonhammy double-headed bass drum and a really painful snare drum. I also love the puke-inducing low end that comes off an old Fender Bassman or Ampeg guitar amp and the totally blown sound of an SVT with broken-in tubes. I also know that those sounds are inappropriate for some songs, and trying to force them is a waste of time. Predicating the recordings on my tastes is as stupid as designing a car around the upholstery. You guys need to decide and then articulate to me what you want to sound like so we don’t come at the record from different directions.

#4: Where we record the record is not as important as how it is recorded. If you have a studio you’d like to use, no hag. Otherwise, I can make suggestions. I have a nice 24-track studio in my house (Fugazi were just there, you can ask them how they rate it), and I’m familiar with most of the studios in the Midwest, the East coast and a dozen or so in the UK.

I would be a little concerned about having you at my house for the duration of the whole recording and mixing process if only because you’re celebrities, and I wouldn’t want word getting out in the neighborhood and you guys having to put up with a lot of fan-style bullsh*t; it would be a fine place to mix the record though, and you can’t beat the vitties.

If you want to leave the details of studio selection, lodgings, etc. up to me, I’m quite happy to sort all that stuff out. If you guys want to sort it out, just lay down the law.

My first choice for an outside recording studio would be a place called Pachyderm in Cannon Falls, Minnesota. It’s a great facility with outstanding acoustics and a totally comfy architect’s wet dream mansion where the band lives during the recordings. This makes everything more efficient. Since everybody is there, things get done and decisions get made a lot faster than if people are out and about in a city someplace. There’s also all the posh sh*t like a sauna and swimming pool and fireplaces and trout stream and 50 acres and like that. I’ve made a bunch of records there and I’ve always enjoyed the place. It’s also quite inexpensive, considering how great a facility it is.

The only bummer about Pachyderm is that the owners and manager are not technicians, and they don’t have a tech on call. I’ve worked there enough that I can fix just about anything that can go wrong, short of a serious electronic collapse, but I’ve got a guy that I work with a lot (Bob Weston) who’s real good with electronics (circuit design, trouble shooting and building sh*t on the spot), so if we choose to do it there, he’ll probably come along in my payroll, since he’d be cheap insurance if a power supply blows up or a serious failure occurs in the dead of winter 50 miles from the closest tech. He’s a recording engineer also, so he can be doing some of the more mundane stuff (cataloging tapes, packing stuff up, fetching supplies) while we’re chopping away at the record proper.

Some day I’m going to talk the Jesus Lizard into going up there and we’ll have us a real time. Oh yeah, and it’s the same Neve console the AC/DC album Back in Black was recorded and mixed on, so you know its just got to have the rock.

#5: Dough. I explained this to Kurt but I thought I’d better reiterate it here. I do not want and will not take a royalty on any record I record. No points. Period. I think paying a royalty to a producer or engineer is ethically indefensible. The band write the songs. The band play the music. It’s the band’s fans who buy the records. The band is responsible for whether it’s a great record or a horrible record. Royalties belong to the band.

I would like to be paid like a plumber: I do the job and you pay me what it’s worth. The record company will expect me to ask for a point or a point and a half. If we assume three million sales, that works out to 400,000 dollars or so. There’s no f***ing way I would ever take that much money. I wouldn’t be able to sleep.

I have to be comfortable with the amount of money you pay me, but it’s your money, and I insist that you be comfortable with it as well. Kurt suggested paying me a chunk which I would consider full payment, and then if you really thought I deserved more, paying me another chunk after you’d had a chance to live with the album for a while. That would be fine, but probably more organizational trouble than it’s worth.

Whatever. I trust you guys to be fair to me and I know you must be familiar with what a regular industry goon would want. I will let you make the final decision about what I’m going to be paid. How much you choose to pay me will not affect my enthusiasm for the record.


Some people in my position would expect an increase in business after being associated with your band. I, however, already have more work than I can handle, and frankly, the kind of people such superficialities will attract are not people I want to work with. Please don’t consider that an issue.

That’s it.

Please call me to go over any of this if it’s unclear.

(Signed)

If a record takes more than a week to make, somebody’s ****ing up. Oi!”
I bolded the most extraordinary part of the letter towards its end. In Utero didn't sell the 3 million copies Albini assumed it might; it sold 15 million. The guy would have been a multi-millionaire if he'd taken an industry-standard percentage of the royalties. But he didn't, and for the remainder of his career, he never took a percentage.

Not that he really needed the money. In addition to being a wizard behind the boards, he was also a steady hand at poker, and won a couple World Series of Poker championships, too. :eek:
 

pdxKingsFan

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#22
So the thing about Albini:
I think paying a royalty to a producer or engineer is ethically indefensible. The band write the songs. The band play the music.
Too many other records the producer did write the song or play the music (check out Bob Rock in Some Kind of Monster and realize that's still a guy who mostly lets the band to their thing who has decided he is an official band member).

Albini's work reflects that not only was he a master recording engineer, but the bands he worked with on those top recordings were masters of their crafts as well.
 
#23
So the thing about Albini:

Too many other records the producer did write the song or play the music (check out Bob Rock in Some Kind of Monster and realize that's still a guy who mostly lets the band to their thing who has decided he is an official band member).

Albini's work reflects that not only was he a master recording engineer, but the bands he worked with on those top recordings were masters of their crafts as well.
See:

PJ Harvey - Rid of Me
Low - Things We Lost in the Fire
Joanna Newsom - Ys
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Yanqui U.X.O.
Neurosis - Times of Grace all the way through Fires Within Fires; that run of six albums is incredible
 
#25
I imagine Bill couldn’t stand to live in a world where the “conference of champions” was no more.
I know Bill was polarizing as an announcer but I always enjoyed his nonsensical stories and anecdotes. Rest in peace Big Man, and wherever you are now…throw it down, throw it down.
 

pdxKingsFan

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#27
I really grew to love Bill. I attended his basketball camp at UCD the summer between 6th and 7th grades - he had stepped on glass on the beach or something right after the championship series vs. the Rockets and was unable to do anything (of course). But I appreciated his whacky commentary, his outlook on life, and for 20 years in Portland he is beloved here.

RIP to a good one.