Summer League 2023 open thread
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I got great seats at the arena today to NOT see:
#1 Victor Wembanyama (shut down)
#2 Chet Holmgren (shut down)
#3 Scoot Henderson (injury)
#4 Amen Thompson (injury)
And I don’t see #3 Jabari Smith warming up.
I guess we’ll see about #2 Brandon Miller, but could have been six top-4 picks in three games…might get 0. Summer League!!
#1 Victor Wembanyama (shut down)
#2 Chet Holmgren (shut down)
#3 Scoot Henderson (injury)
#4 Amen Thompson (injury)
And I don’t see #3 Jabari Smith warming up.
I guess we’ll see about #2 Brandon Miller, but could have been six top-4 picks in three games…might get 0. Summer League!!
Really encouraging showing from Jaden Springer on the 76ers today. I hope he can make a bigger impact for them. Greg Brown III looks good so far in SL, good to see, player with a lot of natural talent.
Kinda want Springer on the Kings tbh, even though he's really a combo guard having him as the 3rd string PG would be hilarious to me and it'd work, he's not redundant with Davion.
Atlanta's rookies looked great though and they won. Gueye, Lundy and Bufkin solid showings.
Kinda want Springer on the Kings tbh, even though he's really a combo guard having him as the 3rd string PG would be hilarious to me and it'd work, he's not redundant with Davion.
Atlanta's rookies looked great though and they won. Gueye, Lundy and Bufkin solid showings.
Just leaving this stat here. Vegas Summer League final stats:
Kessler Edwards: 8/21 3PT (38%)
Olivier Maxence Prosper: 4/17 3PT (23%)
Extremely small sample size warning! Obviously. But if we are going to say Kessler isn't a three point shooter based on his 65-191 3PT (34%) in his ENTIRE NBA career, then we can make staggering conclusions based on summer league as well. Neither of these guys is close to a finished product, but suggesting Kessler is a finished product and OMP is future 3/D star doesn't seem warranted. OMP didn't look ready in Vegas. Good defense, but not better than Kessler. Not much shooting success, or even desire to shoot the three. Keep in mind that his numbers are for 5 games, so he averaged (.8/3.4 per game) compared to Kessler at 4 games (2.0/5.2 per game). I like OMP, but he has got to be a more willing and capable shooter to stick.
Kessler Edwards: 8/21 3PT (38%)
Olivier Maxence Prosper: 4/17 3PT (23%)
Extremely small sample size warning! Obviously. But if we are going to say Kessler isn't a three point shooter based on his 65-191 3PT (34%) in his ENTIRE NBA career, then we can make staggering conclusions based on summer league as well. Neither of these guys is close to a finished product, but suggesting Kessler is a finished product and OMP is future 3/D star doesn't seem warranted. OMP didn't look ready in Vegas. Good defense, but not better than Kessler. Not much shooting success, or even desire to shoot the three. Keep in mind that his numbers are for 5 games, so he averaged (.8/3.4 per game) compared to Kessler at 4 games (2.0/5.2 per game). I like OMP, but he has got to be a more willing and capable shooter to stick.
Well I would hope Kessler is not in a position to handle the ball so much that he would have 5 turnovers on the main team. Kessler, OMP, and any other 3/D wing is going to be asked to guard the other team's best wing and hit threes. Those are the only two things that really matter about their performance- can they guard and can they hit threes? I am glad Kessler is working on his game and one on one skills, but I honestly don't care that he has a loose handle trying to create offense as a second option on offense. If Kessler is trying to create offense, or is anything more than a three point shooter on the main roster we are in main trouble.
O-Max isnt really a 3 and D wing though.. Thats not why he got drafted so high, he's a Dunks and D combo forward, he was one of the players with the most dunks in the nation --- He shot 63% from 2 point range last season, the only way you shoot that kind of % from 2pt range in the big east is if you throw down thunderous dunks often..
So I think your really mischaracterizing a few things because in SL is just the place where you'd want Prosper to let it fly n chuck up lots of 3's, the Mavs need minutes from him so he should be getting as much reps in shooting as possible incase he gets left wide open.
Kessler Edwards is some long term solution here, is that what you think? Seems more like a placeholder to me, from the SL games I caught he was totally underwhelming. To me the fact that our backup unit is so strong means our 3rd stringers are even more replacable. I was in fact someone here vouching for Dominick Barlow 2 drafts ago, he's way better than Edwards already n years younger.
So I think your really mischaracterizing a few things because in SL is just the place where you'd want Prosper to let it fly n chuck up lots of 3's, the Mavs need minutes from him so he should be getting as much reps in shooting as possible incase he gets left wide open.
Kessler Edwards is some long term solution here, is that what you think? Seems more like a placeholder to me, from the SL games I caught he was totally underwhelming. To me the fact that our backup unit is so strong means our 3rd stringers are even more replacable. I was in fact someone here vouching for Dominick Barlow 2 drafts ago, he's way better than Edwards already n years younger.
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Oh man, I think you are wrong about what people hope Prosper will become. In fact, Dallas better hope Prosper is more than a dunks and D combo forward. I'm not sure the secret to winning with Luka and Kyrie is to put a dunks and D combo forward next to a dunks and D center. They are going to man the center position with guys like Holmes, Lively, and Powell, and you think they want another non-shooter on the wing? It is fine to have one lob threat player for Luka and Kyrie, but playing two is going to bog down their offense. If they play Luka, Kyrie, and a rim runner 5, then the two wings have to be outside shooters and carry the defense. Prosper is definitely not the answer for them if he can't shoot.
Also, if Prosper isn't a shooter, then why would people want him in Sac? Like Dallas, if we are starting Domas and Fox, a non-shooting dunker seems like the wrong guy to play on our wing. Prosper has got to shoot better if he is going to help teams built like Dallas or Sac.
And Kessler has got to shoot better if he is going to help us. I agree that Kessler probably isn't the long term answer for us. Definitely not if he tops out at 34% 3PT. The ideal long term answer at wing alongside Keegan is shooting a consistent 40% 3pt and playing great D. But if Kessler keeps getting better and can shoot 38-40% on high volume, without losing his D skills, then he definitely is a long term answer, and probably is a long term starter alongside Domas, Fox, and Keegan.
Also, if Prosper isn't a shooter, then why would people want him in Sac? Like Dallas, if we are starting Domas and Fox, a non-shooting dunker seems like the wrong guy to play on our wing. Prosper has got to shoot better if he is going to help teams built like Dallas or Sac.
And Kessler has got to shoot better if he is going to help us. I agree that Kessler probably isn't the long term answer for us. Definitely not if he tops out at 34% 3PT. The ideal long term answer at wing alongside Keegan is shooting a consistent 40% 3pt and playing great D. But if Kessler keeps getting better and can shoot 38-40% on high volume, without losing his D skills, then he definitely is a long term answer, and probably is a long term starter alongside Domas, Fox, and Keegan.
Well I think you are extremely late to the party compared to me, and obviously are lacking context, context which is easily found for free online, so I think your take is lazy and unsubstantiated, based on some absurdly small sample size. OPM? this is a matter of self amusement for you.. I've followed O-Max since recruitment, probably at least 4 years...
O-Max is a rotation guy as a rookie, Edwards is a 3rd stringer destined to be buried on the bench. You wanna write love stories about Kessler Edwards while he's literally got a case of butterfingers, so be it. Go for it, wear yourself out. Much will come from it for sure! Sounds like clearly a case of tunnel vision to me, you've searched the entire horizon and came back with Kessler Edwards as the answer to the Kings ills? Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well?
O-Max is a rotation guy as a rookie, Edwards is a 3rd stringer destined to be buried on the bench. You wanna write love stories about Kessler Edwards while he's literally got a case of butterfingers, so be it. Go for it, wear yourself out. Much will come from it for sure! Sounds like clearly a case of tunnel vision to me, you've searched the entire horizon and came back with Kessler Edwards as the answer to the Kings ills? Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well?
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Its funny how that happens, the experts show up! hahaha.. You follow an obscure player for years, then they become popular and all of a sudden every EXPERT with an opinion thinks they know better than those following the story much closer for years..
Sure was a bunch of experts running around this forum hating on Fox for years... Meanwhile the complaints are so unsophisticated its like some 13 year old kid who eats 1000 grams of sugar everyday n hasnt picked up a basketball since gym class must've made em.
Always found that fascinating.. Meaning somewhere along the way some person goes from knowing NOTHING, to thinking they know best, but whats the catalyst for that feeling?
It's like Darius Garland.. I first saw him play when he was like 5'4... When I first saw Tyler Herro play he wasnt an inch above 6' .. But at some point unbeknownst to me, some random day it passed by without me noticing, buncha people went from knowing nothing about players like this, to knowing more than me, JUST LIKE THAT, BOOM! WHIZ! ZOOM! But how?
So as someone whos just constantly being outdueled by all these brilliant experts.. it's exasperating. no amount of prep work can ready you, but then I remember; "I'm not a politician, i'm not a salesman, think what you want!" I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about if the sky is blue or not, believe its black or grey or green, idgaf... You sit there rehashing old news, just because itsfresh news to you, doesnt mean its fresh news to me, thats called context, far as im concerned your years late, this is more a conversation for last summer from my POV.
But thats why I like to post about the players ACTUALLY DURING THE GAMES / SEASONS.. Ya see, because at least it filters comments such as these, as in fact way late to the party.. I'm worried bout the 2026 draft more than the 2023 on at this point, slowpokes aint holding me back..
Cuz ya know what, the miserable fans who feel the need to tear into everyone elses players, they arent bright enough to be discussing O-Max during the college season, thats what I've found. They lack the attention span. They need to wait to be told whos important enough to tear into, they need their status displayed first, wait til he gets drafted, wait til SL, n then judge him on SL not his full body of work..
N really when you look at these patterns of behavior... Are we really talking basketball here? Cuz to me, this seems to be much more in the realm of PUBLIC RELATIONS/Propaganda..
Sure was a bunch of experts running around this forum hating on Fox for years... Meanwhile the complaints are so unsophisticated its like some 13 year old kid who eats 1000 grams of sugar everyday n hasnt picked up a basketball since gym class must've made em.
Always found that fascinating.. Meaning somewhere along the way some person goes from knowing NOTHING, to thinking they know best, but whats the catalyst for that feeling?
It's like Darius Garland.. I first saw him play when he was like 5'4... When I first saw Tyler Herro play he wasnt an inch above 6' .. But at some point unbeknownst to me, some random day it passed by without me noticing, buncha people went from knowing nothing about players like this, to knowing more than me, JUST LIKE THAT, BOOM! WHIZ! ZOOM! But how?
So as someone whos just constantly being outdueled by all these brilliant experts.. it's exasperating. no amount of prep work can ready you, but then I remember; "I'm not a politician, i'm not a salesman, think what you want!" I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about if the sky is blue or not, believe its black or grey or green, idgaf... You sit there rehashing old news, just because itsfresh news to you, doesnt mean its fresh news to me, thats called context, far as im concerned your years late, this is more a conversation for last summer from my POV.
But thats why I like to post about the players ACTUALLY DURING THE GAMES / SEASONS.. Ya see, because at least it filters comments such as these, as in fact way late to the party.. I'm worried bout the 2026 draft more than the 2023 on at this point, slowpokes aint holding me back..
Cuz ya know what, the miserable fans who feel the need to tear into everyone elses players, they arent bright enough to be discussing O-Max during the college season, thats what I've found. They lack the attention span. They need to wait to be told whos important enough to tear into, they need their status displayed first, wait til he gets drafted, wait til SL, n then judge him on SL not his full body of work..
N really when you look at these patterns of behavior... Are we really talking basketball here? Cuz to me, this seems to be much more in the realm of PUBLIC RELATIONS/Propaganda..
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