Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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Yeah, that'd be the idea. Naz starts, Lyles fills in at the back-up 4/5 and those are your 3 bigs in the rotation. It wouldn't make a ton of sense to sign Naz and Lyles AND still need to fill the HB slot in the starting 5.
Although....
Fox || Davion
Huerter || Monk
Hart || Vezenkov
Keegan || Lyles
Domas || Naz
That's the deepest and one of the most talented teams in the NBA. And if Hart is willing to leave NY, actually seems fairly plausible to put on paper.
Although....
Fox || Davion
Huerter || Monk
Hart || Vezenkov
Keegan || Lyles
Domas || Naz
That's the deepest and one of the most talented teams in the NBA. And if Hart is willing to leave NY, actually seems fairly plausible to put on paper.
I think he is. Naz Reid will get torched trying to guard the Kevin Durants, the Michael Porter Jr's, Jabari Smith Jr's, Lauri Markannnen's, Leonard/George, Old Man Bron, Chet Holmgren. You could argue HB would too, but honestly I'd trust him to do a much better job.
Naz is a heavyset dude, look at his neck. Super lean for him is 240lbs, normally he's much more like 255.
I'm sorry but there's NO WAY we just forfeited our 1st rd pick to unload Richaun Holmes early to then hand that same $$$ to another 6'9" C in Reid a month later.. I'm gonna need to see it to believe that one, and I am a huge Naz Reid fan, he's a local kid to me, followed him since recruitment.
IMO Trey Lyles is like our low-cost Naz Reid..
Thing is too, the bidding might get very steep on Reid right away.. There might be a team looking to plug him into a far bigger role than we are..
Naz is a heavyset dude, look at his neck. Super lean for him is 240lbs, normally he's much more like 255.
I'm sorry but there's NO WAY we just forfeited our 1st rd pick to unload Richaun Holmes early to then hand that same $$$ to another 6'9" C in Reid a month later.. I'm gonna need to see it to believe that one, and I am a huge Naz Reid fan, he's a local kid to me, followed him since recruitment.
IMO Trey Lyles is like our low-cost Naz Reid..
Thing is too, the bidding might get very steep on Reid right away.. There might be a team looking to plug him into a far bigger role than we are..
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6'5" isn't really that small for a wing in this day and age, especially considering how Hart plays much bigger than his size.
Keegan's at 6'8"/6'9" which might have been small for a power forward up until the late 2000s but at this point, he's prototypical forward size.
If certain lineups had a size advantage, you could probably just swap Kessler/Lyles/Sasha/whoever in for Hart (the good thing about a role player like Hart is that he has to this point been an absolute team player when it comes to minutes and rotation time) and play with the same size we has last year.
Keegan's at 6'8"/6'9" which might have been small for a power forward up until the late 2000s but at this point, he's prototypical forward size.
If certain lineups had a size advantage, you could probably just swap Kessler/Lyles/Sasha/whoever in for Hart (the good thing about a role player like Hart is that he has to this point been an absolute team player when it comes to minutes and rotation time) and play with the same size we has last year.
Right. At least in terms of the starting 5 there are two options if the team wants to try and upgrade from Barnes. One is to put Keegan at the 4 and sign or trade for a 3. The other option is to have Keegan may the 3 and sign a 4.
If possible I prefer the second option because there's a greater chance of adding rebounding and rim protection from that pool of players.
But the Kings could go the other route. My top choice in that scenario is Josh Hart who looks to be on track to re-sign with the Knicks.
I don't think Khris Middleton is a realistic option (and even if he were, I'm not sure he should be a target given his cost vs his age and injury history) so then you're looking at guys like Bruce Brown.
Cam Johnson is a 3/4 and Grant Williams is more of a 4/3 so the pickings get pretty slim after that. Dillon Brooks? Talen Horton-Tucker?
Not a lot of starter quality 2/3s in free agency this year. I love Thybulle's defense but (a) he's restricted and (b) I think at this point no one can have confidence in him becoming a consistent enough shooter to stay on the floor.
I'm not sure if I'm missing any clear targets that would both be an upgrade from Barnes and are more of a 2/3 option.
If possible I prefer the second option because there's a greater chance of adding rebounding and rim protection from that pool of players.
But the Kings could go the other route. My top choice in that scenario is Josh Hart who looks to be on track to re-sign with the Knicks.
I don't think Khris Middleton is a realistic option (and even if he were, I'm not sure he should be a target given his cost vs his age and injury history) so then you're looking at guys like Bruce Brown.
Cam Johnson is a 3/4 and Grant Williams is more of a 4/3 so the pickings get pretty slim after that. Dillon Brooks? Talen Horton-Tucker?
Not a lot of starter quality 2/3s in free agency this year. I love Thybulle's defense but (a) he's restricted and (b) I think at this point no one can have confidence in him becoming a consistent enough shooter to stay on the floor.
I'm not sure if I'm missing any clear targets that would both be an upgrade from Barnes and are more of a 2/3 option.
This is my biggest issue with Reid. I don't think he's a guy you want playing defense on the perimeter. He adds more interior defense and rebounding, and he's mobile for a center, but not switchable. His shooting numbers are also a bit misleading IMO. He has a nice shot, but it's not quick. He gets a lot of his looks from 3 when he's operating as the main big on the floor. I think he'd have more trouble getting shots off if he's starting as a big wing. That said, I love watching him on offense. Is there a big in the league right now with a better handle?
But I think Lyles gives you a lot of that same production and more positional versatility at a lower cost. He's also 4 years older so what you see is pretty much what you get while Reid should continue to improve. But I just don't think slotting him at the 4 is a clear upgrade over Barnes. I think it would improve the team in some ways and hurt it in others.
But I think Lyles gives you a lot of that same production and more positional versatility at a lower cost. He's also 4 years older so what you see is pretty much what you get while Reid should continue to improve. But I just don't think slotting him at the 4 is a clear upgrade over Barnes. I think it would improve the team in some ways and hurt it in others.
In regard to finding a SG that could supplant Huerter as the starter, I think it’s really just Josh Hart and Bruce Brown. Royce O’Neale as a trade option as well but if you’re bringing one of these guys aboard you need to send out one of the guards as we’d have a log jam. Going off their mpg averages last year, this was the minute distribution at the guard spot…
PG - Fox (34) / Mitchell (14)
SG - Huerter (22) / Monk (22) Mitchell (4)
SF - Huerter (8)
If you add a Hart, Brown, O’Neale, etc. there just isn’t really any minutes to give them without sending someone out.
PG - Fox (34) / Mitchell (14)
SG - Huerter (22) / Monk (22) Mitchell (4)
SF - Huerter (8)
If you add a Hart, Brown, O’Neale, etc. there just isn’t really any minutes to give them without sending someone out.
Maybe slightly off topic but I'd really like to see Queta with an actual role on the team next year. I understand G league isn't NBA but you can't give a guy all of 29 minutes and expect youve seen everything he can do. Domas's kryptonite all year has been big physical bigs so it makes sense to have one on our roster to play strategically in those spots. Subbing in Queta as soon as someone like Looney or Adams checks in and putting a big physical body on them is just one idea
If we manage to steal Bruce Brown, sign Sasha, bring back Barnes and Lyles on reasonable deals, and give Queta a "prove it" contract I'd be relatively happy with that off-season
In summer league and NBA but admittedly not in Stockton. But by the stats he was one of the most efficient players in the G-league and you don't get to 68% shooting and 2nd in MVP by accident. If he's a servicable NBA post up player that's something we can use in a lot of matchups. Altho ultimately id trust the FO to know his ceiling more, just hoping to see him get more burn (and he seems to have a way higher ceiling than Harry ever did, but that was sorta force memed hype)
not a fan of the stats you used as they don’t account for role on the team which is a 3 and D player. I think GP, Defensive Rating, C&S 3%, Defense % delta and are more important for the role..
Here is what I see.
HB. 115.2 , 36.8 , -.7
Cam 17 / 25, 104 / 111.0 , 46.5 / 38.4, .0 /-2.9
Kuzma 64, 112.6, 33.8, -3.3
Collins 71, 115.2, 29.8, 1.3
Hart 51 / 28 , 114.5./111.2, 33.3/56.3 , 1.2/-.7
Grant 63 , 117.3, 39.3 , -1.2
George. 56, 112.5, 38.4 , .0
Looking at these numbers you can see why I want Cam Johnson and/or Jerami Grant. Both are a step up from HB in the 3 and D role.
I’m okay with offering Cam between 28-30 with a 15% trade kicker to make the Nets swallow hard if they are going to match.
Here is what I see.
HB. 115.2 , 36.8 , -.7
Cam 17 / 25, 104 / 111.0 , 46.5 / 38.4, .0 /-2.9
Kuzma 64, 112.6, 33.8, -3.3
Collins 71, 115.2, 29.8, 1.3
Hart 51 / 28 , 114.5./111.2, 33.3/56.3 , 1.2/-.7
Grant 63 , 117.3, 39.3 , -1.2
George. 56, 112.5, 38.4 , .0
Looking at these numbers you can see why I want Cam Johnson and/or Jerami Grant. Both are a step up from HB in the 3 and D role.
I’m okay with offering Cam between 28-30 with a 15% trade kicker to make the Nets swallow hard if they are going to match.
I agree. We already know Monte likes him (because he already tried to trade for him). And we don’t have to give up anything to get him. Plus - he and Keegan would give us a ton of lineup flexibility - Vezenkov could sub out either player.
I think a trade for OG would cost too much. I could also see us taking on John Collins salary if Kuzma re-signs with DC.
I think a trade for OG would cost too much. I could also see us taking on John Collins salary if Kuzma re-signs with DC.
Yeah, when you have this much cap space, you should be trying to add some players for free vs. selling off assets to trade for someone (we can always revisit those types of trades down the road when our cap is tied up). McNair should be looking to sign someone that will upgrade the roster (e.g., Grant), roll over the cap space to next year by giving out bloated expiring deals, or use it to bring in someone like Collins IF they return our 2024 1st (giving us maximum flexibility with our picks in future trades again).
I know Grant was once seen as an impact defender and that his defense has fallen off as his offensive game has continued to grow. He was a 1st option in Detroit and a 2nd option in Portland. Would he still be a 2nd option here? Would he be 3rd behind Fox & Sabonis/Murray? I guess the point is that we have some good talent on this team where he can afford to spend more energy defensively (since he won't have to carry as much of the load on offense).
And even if he doesn't return to that elite defender we saw in DEN during the regular season, I wouldn't be surprised to see his intensity turn up for the playoffs. For example, would I rather have an average regular season defender that tries his hardest on that side of the ball in the regular season, or would I rather have an average regular season defender that doesn't necessarily try his hardest on that side of the ball but that has the potential to be a great defender if the intensity was turned up?
This is sort of how I view Sabonis & Fox. I don't think there is another defensive level to Sabonis' game once he gets to the playoffs. The guy plays hard in the regular season and playoffs and his average defense is what it is. Then you have someone like Fox who can noticeably flip a switch in 4th quarters or in the playoffs and elevate his defense from average to great.
I wouldn't be surprised if Grant was more like Fox in that regard. Good enough to get by in the regular season but can be a defensive menace when the moment calls for it.
I know Grant was once seen as an impact defender and that his defense has fallen off as his offensive game has continued to grow. He was a 1st option in Detroit and a 2nd option in Portland. Would he still be a 2nd option here? Would he be 3rd behind Fox & Sabonis/Murray? I guess the point is that we have some good talent on this team where he can afford to spend more energy defensively (since he won't have to carry as much of the load on offense).
And even if he doesn't return to that elite defender we saw in DEN during the regular season, I wouldn't be surprised to see his intensity turn up for the playoffs. For example, would I rather have an average regular season defender that tries his hardest on that side of the ball in the regular season, or would I rather have an average regular season defender that doesn't necessarily try his hardest on that side of the ball but that has the potential to be a great defender if the intensity was turned up?
This is sort of how I view Sabonis & Fox. I don't think there is another defensive level to Sabonis' game once he gets to the playoffs. The guy plays hard in the regular season and playoffs and his average defense is what it is. Then you have someone like Fox who can noticeably flip a switch in 4th quarters or in the playoffs and elevate his defense from average to great.
I wouldn't be surprised if Grant was more like Fox in that regard. Good enough to get by in the regular season but can be a defensive menace when the moment calls for it.
