Kings after OG
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Here's a little conspiracy theory. Is the "leak" about us going after OG a signal to Barnes that we are ready to move on?
I'm not saying there is no interest from our side. Plus the leak might have been from the other side. Don't have any data, and hence the conspiracy theory. However, Monte has run a reasonably tight ship so far.
He likely has some numbers from Barnes' camp. Are these too far off from what he's willing to offer? If so, it could be a signal to Barnes that we are ready to move on, even at the risk of a one year rental (and potentially trading away another core piece).
Likely I'm just a bit bored and coming up with these absurd theories. Was just thinking how Barnes would be reacting to these reports, and suddenly thought, "hey! Is this what Monte wants?"
I'm not saying there is no interest from our side. Plus the leak might have been from the other side. Don't have any data, and hence the conspiracy theory. However, Monte has run a reasonably tight ship so far.
He likely has some numbers from Barnes' camp. Are these too far off from what he's willing to offer? If so, it could be a signal to Barnes that we are ready to move on, even at the risk of a one year rental (and potentially trading away another core piece).
Likely I'm just a bit bored and coming up with these absurd theories. Was just thinking how Barnes would be reacting to these reports, and suddenly thought, "hey! Is this what Monte wants?"
I'm not so sure the #7 pick is necessarily a better package of a proven young NBA starting SG (Huerter), a defensive stalwart PG (Mitchell) plus #24 pick.
It really depends on what Toronto wants, young proven talent or very young unproven talent.
I just don't think it's a given that the #7 pick is a better offer than what the Kings can offer.
It really depends on what Toronto wants, young proven talent or very young unproven talent.
I just don't think it's a given that the #7 pick is a better offer than what the Kings can offer.
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The Raptors seem likely to move on from FVV and Davion very much seems to fit their mold of physically strong PGs, not to mention his defensive prowess. Mitchell isn't the most natural playmaker, but with the ball in Scottie Barnes hands quite a bit, I think he's a really solid fit for what they do.
Huerter really isn't a typical Raptors player, but Davion certainly is. I'd hate to see him go, but if you can get a high level starter to compliment Fox, Murray, and Sabonis then you have to make that move. At some point Davion needs to be given the reigns as a starting PG, because I really think he'll flourish.
Huerter really isn't a typical Raptors player, but Davion certainly is. I'd hate to see him go, but if you can get a high level starter to compliment Fox, Murray, and Sabonis then you have to make that move. At some point Davion needs to be given the reigns as a starting PG, because I really think he'll flourish.
It might say something to Barnes, although Barnes might be in on some of the process if he's willing to sign quick on a team friendly deal since the Kings could in theory still have space if he does that. The fact that both Beal and OG have come up as targets basically says that Monte is looking to put the cherry on this thing now while he's got some flexibility whether that's a G or a F. From day 1 it sounds like he's been trying to build a team around Fox and he saw what everyone else did in the playoffs, Fox needs someone to take the pressure off of him to create. Prior to getting injured Fox was having to take like 27 shots per game plus get to the line mainly because he was the only one that could get good shots for himself.
Agreed, I think Scottie Barnes and Davion is a great combo. If Davion is on the block in any trade, we have to hope that little run under Gentry at the end of that season is still fresh in peoples minds. Was it just garbage time padding? To some extent most likely but it was also potential evidence that as a pick and roll combo G he can produce and pass.
That's true. While I was never sold on Hali and Fox being a perfect fit, the fact that the ones calling the shots on the sidelines couldn't get them to look good at the same time was just plain not getting it. The one or the other thing between the two was completely unnecessary. Plenty of coaches can make two combos/PG's look good simultaneously. That said, if someone like a Jaylen Brown, or maybe even a Siakam came up for trade, I'd bet Monte only looks to keep the clamps on Fox and Domas if he were forced to go all in on a deal. For Monte to make that Haliburton trade it showed he gives no F's. He's looking to win. Heartbreak be darned lol.
I get that reasoning, but I don't think Monte would trade Keegan. The locker room was one of the most overlooked yet integral part to this past season. Domas and Fox both LOVED Keegan. And from what you saw from Keegan this past year its not unobtainable for him to average 22-25 ppg and 7-8.5 revs per game at his peak, with a block and steal thrown in, on insane efficiency, coupled with some solid defense on the wing and the block, and ice cold production in the clutch.
Wings are a premium in this league, I don't think you can risk trading a wing with that kind of potential that you can see is obviously within reach for the player.
Wings are a premium in this league, I don't think you can risk trading a wing with that kind of potential that you can see is obviously within reach for the player.
I agree. I think if anything Keegan's performance this season as a knockdown shooter and the burst of life he showed in the last few games of that Golden State series is what gives Monte the confidence to step on the accelerator with his team-building. I'd be shocked if he's included in a trade at this point. If McNair feels like he's got his core already with Fox, Monk, Keegan, and Domas alongside a great coach who they all respond to then get them the right complimentary pieces now and lets make a run at this thing while the rest of the league looks unusually vulnerable. You never know how many bites at the apple you're going to get. Bradley Beal's massive contract gives me pause but I don't think there's any downside to bringing in Anunoby if we can get him.
The only downside between OG and Beal is Beal is apparently going to be far less asset involving to acquire. I don't know if it's true but it sounds like you could possibly land Beal with a package that might involve sending the dead contract of Holmes back with minimal draft assets and potentially no Davion. The Wiz want out of that deal and the Kings have the potential give them some immediate relief. Something the Heat, Bucks, etc. can't do. The Raps are probably just fine holding onto OG and don't look to be needing space. So, in that sense it's different mindsets and probably actual availability.
Honestly their are 3 premier targets for me in this order:
1. Wiggins (i think GSW would be willing to mive him for the right price, especially if Draymond opts in).
2. OG
3. Jeremi Grant
Offer would be Holmes, Davion and this years pick (we would make the pick for them) and a 2 2nds. Grant being a feee agent would probably command $25-$30M so likely needs to Id be ok throwing another future 1st for Wiggins and OG
1. Wiggins (i think GSW would be willing to mive him for the right price, especially if Draymond opts in).
2. OG
3. Jeremi Grant
Offer would be Holmes, Davion and this years pick (we would make the pick for them) and a 2 2nds. Grant being a feee agent would probably command $25-$30M so likely needs to Id be ok throwing another future 1st for Wiggins and OG
That is a really odd thing to say after our team just finished 1st in ORTG and 24th in DRTG. Considering we were knocked out in the 1st round, it’s logical to assume we still need to improve if we hope to be a contender one day. Is it easier to improve our 24th ranked defense or our 1st ranked offense? I’d think it’d be considerably easier to improve our 24th ranked defense.
Anunoby is no PJ Tucker, Robert Covington, Matisse Thybulle, etc. He’s not just a guy that can lock someone down defensively and then just sits in the corner waiting for an open C&S opportunity. His scoring, volume, and efficiency are comparable to someone like Harrison Barnes. A Harrison Barnes with All Defensive Team ability is a hell of a player. Not to mention that Sabonis has very very few players that can fit at PF next to him and be great fits. Anunoby is one of those players.
Again, we’re talking about 17-20% of the cap. People see $30 mil and freak out because that used to be the max level not that long ago. Maxes are 25%/30%/35%. $30 mil/year will be top tier role player money and that’s exactly what he is at this point. But not only is he a top tier role player, he fits the rare mold we need at PF next to Sabonis and he’s only 25 years old.
Anunoby is no PJ Tucker, Robert Covington, Matisse Thybulle, etc. He’s not just a guy that can lock someone down defensively and then just sits in the corner waiting for an open C&S opportunity. His scoring, volume, and efficiency are comparable to someone like Harrison Barnes. A Harrison Barnes with All Defensive Team ability is a hell of a player. Not to mention that Sabonis has very very few players that can fit at PF next to him and be great fits. Anunoby is one of those players.
Again, we’re talking about 17-20% of the cap. People see $30 mil and freak out because that used to be the max level not that long ago. Maxes are 25%/30%/35%. $30 mil/year will be top tier role player money and that’s exactly what he is at this point. But not only is he a top tier role player, he fits the rare mold we need at PF next to Sabonis and he’s only 25 years old.
It's getting to the point where I think it's really important to think in terms of cap% rather than dollar value. Remember that "horrific" Buddy Hield contract? this coming year is that last one on that deal, and he's making 14.4% of the cap. That's so manageable for a contributing player. Our bad Holmes contract is at 9% each of the next two years. Wouldn't mind seeing it go away, but that's less than 1/10th of our cap.
I'd honestly rather draft Olivier-Maxence Prosper than trade for Anunoby.
It may be a hot take but I basically think that whoever this 4th guy is that you get, you are basically stuck with that core now and that core needs to be a championship team.
Is the combo of Fox, Sabonis, Keegan, Anunoby a championship team?
Can we do better?
I'm not saying that we wouldn't be great but we need to be a championship team because that's all we would have as I understand under the new CBA, I understand basically 3 max contracts and everything else would need to be rookie contracts or minimum deals.
I just don't know if he's the one tbh.
And I also think that offense was an issue in the playoffs.
IF Huerter and Barnes consistently made more shots in the playoffs how far would we go?
Or do we need another shot creator in our offense.
We rely on Harrison for that reason imo, the ability to ISO and add another dynamic to the offense.
The Kings issue isn't strictly defense, it's offense too imo.
Don't care that they were the #1 rated offense in NBA history in the regular season, that needs to happen in the playoffs.
It may be a hot take but I basically think that whoever this 4th guy is that you get, you are basically stuck with that core now and that core needs to be a championship team.
Is the combo of Fox, Sabonis, Keegan, Anunoby a championship team?
Can we do better?
I'm not saying that we wouldn't be great but we need to be a championship team because that's all we would have as I understand under the new CBA, I understand basically 3 max contracts and everything else would need to be rookie contracts or minimum deals.
I just don't know if he's the one tbh.
And I also think that offense was an issue in the playoffs.
IF Huerter and Barnes consistently made more shots in the playoffs how far would we go?
Or do we need another shot creator in our offense.
We rely on Harrison for that reason imo, the ability to ISO and add another dynamic to the offense.
The Kings issue isn't strictly defense, it's offense too imo.
Don't care that they were the #1 rated offense in NBA history in the regular season, that needs to happen in the playoffs.