Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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It's hard to find players (PF/C) that can rebound the ball and shoot at a good 3pt% clip. Even though he doesn't shoot any 3pt shots I do like Plumlee as a backup. We need a backup PF/C but I would prefer we had someone that can shoot a 3pt shot. Slim pickings though on someone we could unload some of our players for.
The players association I believe is what is in the way of the G-League becoming a true minor league farm system, as they don't want guys stuck on 2-way deals in perpetuity. However I think for every guy who is failed by the club that drafts them and gets an immediate opportunity in the NBA with their next club, there are loads of guys who would benefit by the extra investment a team could put into a player knowing they had more than 2 years to work with them.
Reddish sucks. low bblall IQ. can't shoot. can't defend.
with a team looking to stay on their current path of making the playoffs, we don't really have any use for reclamation projects. it's a big ouch, but I don't think you can say that he hasn't gotten the opportunity. I'd rather give any of those minutes to KZ instead.
with a team looking to stay on their current path of making the playoffs, we don't really have any use for reclamation projects. it's a big ouch, but I don't think you can say that he hasn't gotten the opportunity. I'd rather give any of those minutes to KZ instead.
This would be a risky trade for this year, but a Harrison Barnes and Alex Len (salary filler) or Terrance Davis (prefer to keep him) for John Collins may wind up being a home run for the Kings. We can throw in a 2nd rounder or 2, if needed too.
Collins age is in sync with the Kings core and he is signed for a few years, while we could lose HB for nothing this summer. HB would give Atlanta a very solid veteran to try and help salvage their season/team. Here is an excerpt from Sam Amick:
After all these years of John Collins trade rumors, executives who have spoken to the Hawks about acquiring the veteran forward recently have indicated that the asking price has — understandably — declined significantly this time around. As I detailed in my recent conversation with Collins, the combination of his large contract and his declined production is hardly helpful in terms of his modern-day value. In some scenarios, the Hawks are merely asking for a quality player in return (and not a first-round pick), according to league sources.
– via Sam Amick @ The Athletic
Collins age is in sync with the Kings core and he is signed for a few years, while we could lose HB for nothing this summer. HB would give Atlanta a very solid veteran to try and help salvage their season/team. Here is an excerpt from Sam Amick:
After all these years of John Collins trade rumors, executives who have spoken to the Hawks about acquiring the veteran forward recently have indicated that the asking price has — understandably — declined significantly this time around. As I detailed in my recent conversation with Collins, the combination of his large contract and his declined production is hardly helpful in terms of his modern-day value. In some scenarios, the Hawks are merely asking for a quality player in return (and not a first-round pick), according to league sources.
– via Sam Amick @ The Athletic
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Man, if all Collins took were our expirings+Barnes+2nds... As much as I love how Barnes has turned things around, I think you have to do that. Especially with Keegan really showing he can play the wing full-time. Collins much younger and more athletic, signed long-term, gives you a little bit of shot-blocking and you still keep the excellent spacing from the 4 slot. I also like you can swing him down to the 5, so you'd solve 2 big problems with the team all in one.
In regards to John Collins, I’m not giving up Barnes or our young guys for him. He’s not the perfect fit we’d be looking for. That said he’s a talented young man who isn’t a horrid fit. I’d be more accepting of an offer like…
Richaun Holmes
Terence Davis
Alex Len
2023 SAC 1st (Unprotected Pick Swap)
2024 SAC 1st (change protection from Top 14 to Top 4)
2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected Pick Swap)
for
John Collins
PG - Fox / Mitchell / Dellavedova
SG - Huerter / Monk
SF - Murray / Barnes / Okpala
PF - Collins / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Metu
Then next season you could go over the cap to resign Barnes and Lyles, use our exception on a backup C, and draft BPA with our 2023 1st.
I’d imagine that ATL would push for a 2026 1st instead of 2023 and 2025 pick swaps. I could be talked into it (would need to think about it some more), but if we could make the the deal above as proposed, it gives us many assets to use in a consolidation trade if a star becomes available.
Fox
Mitchell
Huerter
Monk
Barnes
Murray
Collins
Sabonis
Who we draft with our 2023 1st
2026 1st
2027 1st Pick Swap
2028 1st
2029 1st Pick Swap
2030 1st
Richaun Holmes
Terence Davis
Alex Len
2023 SAC 1st (Unprotected Pick Swap)
2024 SAC 1st (change protection from Top 14 to Top 4)
2025 SAC 1st (Unprotected Pick Swap)
for
John Collins
PG - Fox / Mitchell / Dellavedova
SG - Huerter / Monk
SF - Murray / Barnes / Okpala
PF - Collins / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Metu
Then next season you could go over the cap to resign Barnes and Lyles, use our exception on a backup C, and draft BPA with our 2023 1st.
I’d imagine that ATL would push for a 2026 1st instead of 2023 and 2025 pick swaps. I could be talked into it (would need to think about it some more), but if we could make the the deal above as proposed, it gives us many assets to use in a consolidation trade if a star becomes available.
Fox
Mitchell
Huerter
Monk
Barnes
Murray
Collins
Sabonis
Who we draft with our 2023 1st
2026 1st
2027 1st Pick Swap
2028 1st
2029 1st Pick Swap
2030 1st
Giving up more 1st picks without knowing we will be a playoff caliber team for years seems dangerous. I may change my position on that after the season if we get past the first round in the playoffs.
I think it’s not a good idea to move any of our 7 or 8 deep. Everyone not named Monk or Lyles on the bench I would not be bothered trying to snag a couple of other teams players trying to reset because they have to.
I think it’s not a good idea to move any of our 7 or 8 deep. Everyone not named Monk or Lyles on the bench I would not be bothered trying to snag a couple of other teams players trying to reset because they have to.
I just don't like Collins fit here at all with Sabonis manning the middle. Even at his best he's a far, far inferior floor spacer to all three of our non-franchise starters, and despite his improvements as an individual defender, the question of his defense is still valid because he still can't step out onto the perimeter as a 4/3 flex or man the middle and is boxed into the traditional 4.
You need a shot-blocking, floor spacing unicorn 5 to make Collins work best.
You need a shot-blocking, floor spacing unicorn 5 to make Collins work best.
His size is the least of my concerns in regards to the PF we want next to Sabonis. Last thing we want to do is pair him with a slow footed C. We need an athletic, versatile forward.
My biggest concerns with Collins is he's not really the pure shooter I'd want at PF (he does a lot of his damage within the 3PT line) and he's not the defender we want either.
Ideally, I want our PF to have the following attributes:
There may not be a player who even checks all of those boxes, but that's generally what I'm looking for. The guys below seem to have most of those attributes but it's easier said than done to acquire one of them:
I'd imagine that McNair is going to try and clear Holmes salary for cap space either this trade deadline or during the offseason, resign Barnes, and then try and sign one of Jerami Grant, PJ Washington, Grant Williams, Cam Johnson, or Jalen McDaniels. If he strikes out, I could see him gauging trade interest for guys like OG Anunoby, Jaden McDaniels, Trey Murphy, Aleksej Pokusveski, & Patrick Williams with him offering up a 1st or two (depending on who it is).
PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Huerter / Monk
SF - Murray / Barnes
PF - ??? / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Free Agent
That's a very solid, well balanced team. Great starting lineup, plenty of spacing, excellent bench, etc. It just depends on who ??? turns out to be.
My biggest concerns with Collins is he's not really the pure shooter I'd want at PF (he does a lot of his damage within the 3PT line) and he's not the defender we want either.
Ideally, I want our PF to have the following attributes:
- 7’0”+ wingspan
- 8’10”+ standing reach
- 220+ lbs
- 5.0+ 3PAs per 36 min
- .360+ 3PT%
- 7.0+ REBs per 36 min
- 1.5+ BLKs per 36 min
- Great, high IQ PF defender
- Versatile/switchable defender
- 28 years or younger
There may not be a player who even checks all of those boxes, but that's generally what I'm looking for. The guys below seem to have most of those attributes but it's easier said than done to acquire one of them:
- OG Anunoby
- Tari Eason
- Jerami Grant
- Jaren Jackson
- Jaden McDaniels
- Jalen McDaniels
- Trey Murphy
- Aleksej Pokusveski
- Jabari Smith
- PJ Washington
- Grant Williams
- Patrick Williams
I'd imagine that McNair is going to try and clear Holmes salary for cap space either this trade deadline or during the offseason, resign Barnes, and then try and sign one of Jerami Grant, PJ Washington, Grant Williams, Cam Johnson, or Jalen McDaniels. If he strikes out, I could see him gauging trade interest for guys like OG Anunoby, Jaden McDaniels, Trey Murphy, Aleksej Pokusveski, & Patrick Williams with him offering up a 1st or two (depending on who it is).
PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Huerter / Monk
SF - Murray / Barnes
PF - ??? / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Free Agent
That's a very solid, well balanced team. Great starting lineup, plenty of spacing, excellent bench, etc. It just depends on who ??? turns out to be.
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I liked his game coming out of Tennessee. I didn't really understand the gap in value between Mitchell and Springer at the time of the draft, and think I even said that I like Springer's ability to stick in the NBA more due to his size, length, and FT% (I had a hard time believing in Mitchell's 3P% when he was shooting 64% from the stripe in college).
Best case scenario IMO... re-sign Barnes ($16M) and sign Kuzma ($16M), splitting the $32m that I think you said would be available after trading Holmes. Kuzma doesn't seem to be all about the money so he could be open to that. Being in Cali and playing for a contender seem to be important to him. Hopefully it's the same for Barnes. Bobby Portis signed a 4-year deal @ 48M at the Bucks. Then trade the 2023 pick on draft night for Jarred Vanderbilt.
PG - Fox / Mitchell / Dozier
SG - Huerter / Monk / Davis
SF - Murray / Barnes / Okpala
PF - Kuzma / Vanderbilt / Metu or Lyles
C - Sabonis / (Sign Noel?) / (Trade for Sims from NYK?)
A main forward rotation of Murray, Kuzma, Barnes and Vanderbilt would be dynamite because any combination of two from the four would work for different situations or when some are resting or injured. Need more defense against a Giannis, Embiid, Luka, AD or Tatum? Go Murray-Vanderbilt. Need more scoring? Go Murray-Kuzma. Need more efficiency? Go Murray-Barnes. If Murray and Barnes are out? Kuzma and Vanderbilt still works as Kuz can play SF.
This is the sort of depth the Kings will need if they reach the finals, to beat teams like the Celtics and Bucks.
PG - Fox / Mitchell / Dozier
SG - Huerter / Monk / Davis
SF - Murray / Barnes / Okpala
PF - Kuzma / Vanderbilt / Metu or Lyles
C - Sabonis / (Sign Noel?) / (Trade for Sims from NYK?)
A main forward rotation of Murray, Kuzma, Barnes and Vanderbilt would be dynamite because any combination of two from the four would work for different situations or when some are resting or injured. Need more defense against a Giannis, Embiid, Luka, AD or Tatum? Go Murray-Vanderbilt. Need more scoring? Go Murray-Kuzma. Need more efficiency? Go Murray-Barnes. If Murray and Barnes are out? Kuzma and Vanderbilt still works as Kuz can play SF.
This is the sort of depth the Kings will need if they reach the finals, to beat teams like the Celtics and Bucks.
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Not a fan of Kuzma at all. I don't want a high volume, meh efficiency PF next to Sabonis. He gives me chucker, "me player" vibes which I wouldn't want in our locker room potentially impacting our chemistry. He's not the shooter or defender I'd desire at PF either.
Also, we definitely shouldn't trade our 1st round pick for an expiring Vanderbilt. That's poor asset management considering we'd have control over that young player for ~8 years (considering RFA).
Also, we definitely shouldn't trade our 1st round pick for an expiring Vanderbilt. That's poor asset management considering we'd have control over that young player for ~8 years (considering RFA).