Domantas Sabonis Any Questions?

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The_Jamal

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I think it's time to wrap the All-star discussions for Sabonis (should be a done deal at this point) and start talking about the All-NBA 3rd team slot behind Jokic and Embiid. Maybe if you consider AD a C, but outside him? Maybe Bam?
 
TaxMan

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The_Jamal said:
Yeah I run around in these nerd circles. Some amazing basketball conversations, but man, they can't let go of the 'optimal" archetype. It gets exhausting telling them to look up from the spreadsheet once in awhile and watch a game.

Even them though are giving love to Sabonis, basically just calling him poor man's Jokic. Which, to me, is an insane compliment considering Jokic probably goes down as a top 20 player all time
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We have now reached the stage of the trade analysis where people say it was a “win/win” for both teams, but the Pacers won the trade because haliburton is on his rookie deal and under team control for x number of years. The “experts” will never give in on this point, no matter how good Domas plays.
 
pdxKingsFan

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TaxMan said:
We have now reached the stage of the trade analysis where people say it was a “win/win” for both teams, but the Pacers won the trade because haliburton is on his rookie deal and under team control for x number of years. The “experts” will never give in on this point, no matter how good Domas plays.
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Funny because when Hali signs his designated rookie extension it is really going to complicate Indy's timeline. And that will happen before Domas re-signs, but I can't imagine too many scenarios where he doesn't.
 
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Caccia

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The only thing that worries me is when Sabonis brings the ball up the court. Not that he does it ineffectively--he dribbles really well for a big man--but because he normally brings his knees up much higher when coming down the court. That can add wear and tear over the course of three or four seasons.

I would much rather anyone else bring the ball up over half court, especially one of the guards.
 
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Fantazija

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If Kings take care of this favorable stretch of games to end the year and for most of the January Domas and Foxy should be All stars for sure. Obviously media will be hell-bent to have someone like CP3 over Fox or George over Sabonis but coaches will pick the more worthy ones
 
Kingster

Kingster

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His numbers are HOFer numbers. The only thing that could stop him would be the thing that can stop any player - injuries. He's the best Kings' player I've ever seen.
 
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Caccia

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Both Domantas Sabonis (left hand soreness) and Harrison Barnes (right quad contusion) are listed as "questionable" tomorrow night against the Lakers.

This is going to be a tough one.
 
LoungeLizard

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Caccia said:
Both Domantas Sabonis (left hand soreness) and Harrison Barnes (right quad contusion) are listed as "questionable" tomorrow night against the Lakers.

This is going to be a tough one.
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Well crap. If Domas doesn’t play our odds of winning plummet. And I’m pretty sure the Lakers sat most of their best players vs the Suns last night to be fresh for the Kings. SMH
 
iowamcnabb

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chetosco said:
As a Domas' fan I watched him a lot as a Pacer. It looks like Brown does not use him properly. He used to score easily 30-40 points once in a while at Indiana. Now he barely gets passes. Whatever he scores he has to ram himself through. Fox does not make plays for some reason. The end of the previous season after Domas had arrived looked way better.
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he’s having arguably his best season
 
LoungeLizard

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chetosco said:
As a Domas' fan I watched him a lot as a Pacer. It looks like Brown does not use him properly. He used to score easily 30-40 points once in a while at Indiana. Now he barely gets passes. Whatever he scores he has to ram himself through. Fox does not make plays for some reason. The end of the previous season after Domas had arrived looked way better.
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That’s certainly a “hot” take
 
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The_Jamal

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chetosco said:
As a Domas' fan I watched him a lot as a Pacer. It looks like Brown does not use him properly. He used to score easily 30-40 points once in a while at Indiana. Now he barely gets passes. Whatever he scores he has to ram himself through. Fox does not make plays for some reason. The end of the previous season after Domas had arrived looked way better.
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Uh what? Almost every possession runs through Domas. Just because he doesn't chuck 20+ shots a game, doesn't mean he hasn't been the main focus of the offense.

I'd argue the exact opposite lol. Brown has been using Domas to near perfection and he's having the best season of his career by a decent margin. If the Kings can finish as a 5 or 6 seed, he's going to get some MVP looks if he continues even 80% of what he's done the last 10 games.
 
pdxKingsFan

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chetosco said:
As a Domas' fan I watched him a lot as a Pacer. It looks like Brown does not use him properly. He used to score easily 30-40 points once in a while at Indiana. Now he barely gets passes. Whatever he scores he has to ram himself through. Fox does not make plays for some reason. The end of the previous season after Domas had arrived looked way better.
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I’ll have whatever you are having.
 
PorchSurfin

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The_Jamal said:
Uh what? Almost every possession runs through Domas. Just because he doesn't chuck 20+ shots a game, doesn't mean he hasn't been the main focus of the offense.

I'd argue the exact opposite lol. Brown has been using Domas to near perfection and he's having the best season of his career by a decent margin. If the Kings can finish as a 5 or 6 seed, he's going to get some MVP looks if he continues even 80% of what he's done the last 10 games.
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One of those times where I am glad I don't knee jerk respond and continue to read and find someone who responded more succinctly and to the point than I would have. Solid response.

Sabonis is being utilized perfectly, albeit at a level where he needs a good backup that hasn't materialized yet. He needs help. No, it's not DMC.
 
Capt. Factorial

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chetosco said:
It's not him having his best season. It's Kings using 50% of his capabilities having their best season. Which is good anyway.
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Not having his best season? 50% of his capabilities? Don't be silly.
PER: 23.5 (career best)
TS%: .682 (career best, by a long shot)
FTr: .555 (career best)
DRB%: 31.2% (career best)
AST%: 28.3% (career best)
BPM: 6.6 (career best)
WS/48: .242 (career best, by a long shot, and not only that but the best mark by any rotation player in Sacramento history - #2 was Webber at .200 in '01-'02)

chetosco said:
As a Domas' fan I watched him a lot as a Pacer. It looks like Brown does not use him properly. He used to score easily 30-40 points once in a while at Indiana. Now he barely gets passes. Whatever he scores he has to ram himself through. Fox does not make plays for some reason. The end of the previous season after Domas had arrived looked way better.
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You seem to be worried about the fact that Domas' scoring has gone down from his Indiana days (from 19.4 points per 36 over his career at Indiana, down to...19.4 points per 36 this year in Sac).

But you're right, he did score 40 points once in a while at Indiana. Sorry, once. Once at Indiana. In 5 years.

So I think we're going to take your deep concern for how badly we're misusing Domas out to the rice paddies, bury it under a foot of mud, let the waters of the bypass flood over it, and see if it sprouts into something by May, mmm-kay?
 
Section 101

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Capt. Factorial said:
Not having his best season? 50% of his capabilities? Don't be silly.
PER: 23.5 (career best)
TS%: .682 (career best, by a long shot)
FTr: .555 (career best)
DRB%: 31.2% (career best)
AST%: 28.3% (career best)
BPM: 6.6 (career best)
WS/48: .242 (career best, by a long shot, and not only that but the best mark by any rotation player in Sacramento history - #2 was Webber at .200 in '01-'02)



You seem to be worried about the fact that Domas' scoring has gone down from his Indiana days (from 19.4 points per 36 over his career at Indiana, down to...19.4 points per 36 this year in Sac).

But you're right, he did score 40 points once in a while at Indiana. Sorry, once. Once at Indiana. In 5 years.

So I think we're going to take your deep concern for how badly we're misusing Domas out to the rice paddies, bury it under a foot of mud, let the waters of the bypass flood over it, and see if it sprouts into something by May, mmm-kay?
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Better yet does his face say he is miss used? Looks like he's quite happy.
 
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The_Jamal

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Kings are also 2nd in PPG and 6th in ORtg on the season with Sabonis facilitating the offense. So not only is Sabonis dominating, but he's on the best offense of his career.
 
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ESP47

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chetosco said:
Man, I said 30-40 points. Which is 30+ points games. Domas has 16 of them at Indiana. Personally, I mean, PERSONALLY, his best seasons were when he was an All-Star. The numbers he has this year are unlikely to send him to the All-Stars game as a King. But it's not a problem as we all know Domas would easily trade the All-Stars game for seeing Kings in play-offs, that's why we love him so much.

What I AM worried indeed is that Kings might benefit from using him a bit differently. Which implies using a bit more of team playing from Fox and Monk, first of all. Shooters don't triumph, teams do. I do love the Kings and physically can't watch any other team. I wish you all the best. But I see a reason to worry.
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I'd like to see him be a bit more aggressive scoring wise when he plays against other big centers but his play seems dialed in to me other than that one issue. When he gets a smaller body on him, he always looks to post up. If the double comes and he's stuck, he passes out and it's usually to the open man and not just the first guy he sees. It seems like he's playing too unselfishly sometimes but he's not really passing up scoring opportunities when he has the advantage.
 
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dude12

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ESP47 said:
I'd like to see him be a bit more aggressive scoring wise when he plays against other big centers but his play seems dialed in to me other than that one issue. When he gets a smaller body on him, he always looks to post up. If the double comes and he's stuck, he passes out and it's usually to the open man and not just the first guy he sees. It seems like he's playing too unselfishly sometimes but he's not really passing up scoring opportunities when he has the advantage.
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I see him being aggressive scoring when the opposing teams don’t triple team him. There are times when the other team clearly doesn’t have a chance to stop him and he scores more but when they start collapsing the entire defense around him, he’s more than willing to kick it out. I just think he makes the right play almost all the time. He’s a brilliant basketball player
 
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