2022 Everything Free Agency/Trades Thread
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I could definitely see them turning it down, they have some depth now on the wings with Beal, Barton, Kispert, Kuzma. I think Rui plays mostly PF for them now but he can play some minutes on the wing. If the Wizards are looking to win now, which I assume they are if they resign Beal, I’d offer them Barnes and/or Holmes.
Yea I didn’t understand this yesterday either, I wasn’t aware they could rescind the offer if DDV never received an offer from another team. So it seems they just altogether punted on the idea of DDV. All the more reason so believe they have something lined up or in mind for our 2 guard spot. If the rumblings for Monk are true I’m happy with the decision.
Sounds like the Heat and Hawks are getting into some heavy talking in a potential John Collins trade. The fit of John Collins, and even Tobias Harris, on this Kings team always seemed a little questionable so I’m not too bummed if we were to miss out on both. I would like to see some more proven talent brought in though. That’s what those two provided, Collins young enough to grow with our core.
The question is what are we willing to send? A FRP and our only legitimate wing for another PF (albeit a good but not great one) who plays the EXACT position of the guy we just drafted and who plays very little defense? Im not sure that a deal for Collins makes much sense for us since the draft. Murray isnt enough of a ball handler or playmaker to be slotted regularly at the 3. He is a prototypical 4 man in this league (ala al horford). And by moving for collins, yes you get a good young player with star potential but the hole on the perimeter which we widened by passing on DDV (unless we sign him to a more favorable deal which seems less likely) will get even bigger. Just seems counter intuitive to me. It would stunt tge growth of Keegan Murray who you just spent a 4th overall pick on. This trade would signal you messed up and took the wrong player.
Unrelated to JOHN Collins, has anyone given any thought to taking a run at Collin sexton? Seems his game would fit very well next to fox. Solid defender, good secondary ball handler and facilitator. Very good shooter. His asking price may be a bit high, but we can absorb some into our available cap space and send back holmes and harkless to Cleveland in a S/T with probably a future FRP. That prevents us from losing Barnes, adding scoring and perimeter defense with a young difference making player on the same age track as Fox and Domas. We dont sacrifice our only wing or stunt the development of the guy we just drafted by shoving him behind a guy who is only 3 years older than him but is making $10M more per year (ie Murray's PT would be very limited).
Unrelated to JOHN Collins, has anyone given any thought to taking a run at Collin sexton? Seems his game would fit very well next to fox. Solid defender, good secondary ball handler and facilitator. Very good shooter. His asking price may be a bit high, but we can absorb some into our available cap space and send back holmes and harkless to Cleveland in a S/T with probably a future FRP. That prevents us from losing Barnes, adding scoring and perimeter defense with a young difference making player on the same age track as Fox and Domas. We dont sacrifice our only wing or stunt the development of the guy we just drafted by shoving him behind a guy who is only 3 years older than him but is making $10M more per year (ie Murray's PT would be very limited).
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If we can also bring in two of Oladipo, GPII, one of the Martin twins, Okogie, Otto Porter, TJ Warren, Bruce Brown, Danuel House, Amir Coffey, Derrick Jones Jr. our wing depth is much improved both offensively and defensively.
I really wish we could add a big who defended the paint and rim better, none of the bigs currently on our roster do that well and we bleed points there every year. We’re already committed to so many this year contractually that without a trade I doubt we see someone added there. The defensive side of things is where Mike Brown is going to earn pay check, if we can give him scorers on offense, it might be up to him this year to get the most out of em defensively.
If we can also bring in two of Oladipo, GPII, one of the Martin twins, Okogie, Otto Porter, TJ Warren, Bruce Brown, Danuel House, Amir Coffey, Derrick Jones Jr. our wing depth is much improved both offensively and defensively.
I really wish we could add a big who defended the paint and rim better, none of the bigs currently on our roster do that well and we bleed points there every year. We’re already committed to so many this year contractually that without a trade I doubt we see someone added there. The defensive side of things is where Mike Brown is going to earn pay check, if we can give him scorers on offense, it might be up to him this year to get the most out of em defensively.
Oh I agree, trading for Collins is the greatest fit. It seems that would be more of a “just acquiring whatever talent we can” move. Collins’ defense gets greatly overlooked as the dude has improved every year and has the athleticism to be even better so I’m not too worried there, it’s more of the fit offensively like you said. One of him and Murray may have to handle the ball a bit more and I’m not sure that benefits their game. It’s not the most seamless fit as you said. I can’t see the Kings giving up a FRP either, I think that’s where the hang up is in our trade talks with the Hawks. But doesn’t sound like they’re getting offered all that much anyways.
I mean with our defensive personnel currently it would have been all on Browns shoulders anyways. He may have to suit up and play some defense! Lolz. But i think keegan can develop into a good weak side rim protector. Just have to allow him to develop. Trading for collins doesnt allow for that. I agree that a Harris Thybull trade is better, and I would be willing to move a FRP for it. The benefit is Harris can legit play 3 or 4. Thybull is an all NBA defense type of player and his shot has been improving to where you cant just leave him. He makes good plays. Plus you arent stuck with Tobias contract for another 4 years. His salary will expire the same time as Domas so you will have more than enough money to re-sign him (61M comes off the books that year including 21 of Domas and 40 for harris). If we move Barnes, this is the right move, not for John Collins.
SAC give: Barnes, Holmes, Harkless, 2024 FRP (Top 10 protected)
SAC gets: Harris, Thybull
Fox/Mitchell
Thybull/TD
Harris/Holiday
Lyles/Murray (takes starting role by all star) /metu
Sabonis/Jones/len.
Go get olidipo and or a martin twin and as indicated above resign Jones.
SAC give: Barnes, Holmes, Harkless, 2024 FRP (Top 10 protected)
SAC gets: Harris, Thybull
Fox/Mitchell
Thybull/TD
Harris/Holiday
Lyles/Murray (takes starting role by all star) /metu
Sabonis/Jones/len.
Go get olidipo and or a martin twin and as indicated above resign Jones.
