The Official SPOILERS 2022 NBA Draft Thread

[sactowndog]

Yeah but imagine how exciting it would be to have to cut Jaden Hardy and hope he clears waivers long enough to get him on a two-way in October!

you can sign directly to a 2 way or assign them directly to the G league. That being said I don’t think swag has shown that much do you?

 

[The_Jamal]

Yep had multiple defenders and a guy who could potentially be a Jordan Poole type find. Basically a no downside type situation and instead of even taking a chance, they just decide to sit this one out.

The ugly part is it's not even them like we have the developmental guys anymore. We have one... Queta. We got rid of all the other guys already.

Maybe I'd get it if Woodard/Ramsey/King were all still on the team. Developmental slots would be filled. But we're punting these off so Harkless/Len/Metu stay on the payroll.

 

[Tetsujin]

Exactly. Doesn't make sense. I don't understand the plan. It has nothing to do with Murray, but how is this team going to make a jump if they don't have enough of the right pieces. Leveraging the 4th pick was a perfect opportunity to do that. We don't know what exact deals were out there, but there was enough talk that there must have been something to be had.

Disappointed that with all the hype surrounding this pick, the team may not have got significantly better.

Trading down just to trade down is pointless though. Would we really feel better about the day if we came out of the night with the 5th pick and Killian Hayes?

 

[SacTownKid]

I don't understand the plan. It has nothing to do with Murray, but how is this team going to make a jump if they don't have enough of the right pieces. Leveraging the 4th pick was a perfect opportunity to do that. We don't know what exact deals were out there, but there was enough talk that there must have been something to be had.

Disappointed that with all the hype surrounding this pick, the team may not have got significantly better.

I just wanted to see some degree of escape plan. I can get trading Haliburton for Sabonis and going for it, but they can't afford to not play both sides right now in a worst case. Start integrating some worthwhile young players into your picture. 37th should be high enough to do that. 49th or whatever, fine, but there was some decent pieces on the board to at least look at.

 

[sactowndog]

Maloofs ran this team into the ground though. Vivek has had a learning curve. I still feel like we're on the right course since Monte got here.

Haha. Okay. We shall see when we don’t make the playoffs yet again and Monte gets fired.

 

[Dongoodboy]

Yep had multiple defenders and a guy who could potentially be a Jordan Poole type find. Basically a no downside type situation and instead of even taking a chance, they just decide to sit this one out.

Yes, it is hit or miss, but the cost of miss is small, for a team that needs more talent they passed it up like nothing. Look at these playoff teams buying 2nd rounder just trying to snatch a playable guy.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Never stop drafting second rounders. That's what thing I've really liked about Monte's approach until this season; he's actually invested in some developmental pieces that might pop. It's more or less random if one does or not, but the point is to keep giving yourself shots on goal. Smart teams make a point to get into the 2nd round as often as possible.

But when Liddell is playing 18 minutes off the bench for NOP in the playoffs and Hardy fills in for Brunson, I'm sure we'll be thanking our lucky stars we held onto the Len and Harkless expiring contracts.

Obviously this is an unpopular opinion tonight but we really need to get down to 13 contracts with 9 guys that deserve regular minutes before we can take on long term projects. Our biggest issue right now which was not having 5 quality starters was solved. Our next issue is actually having a legitimate NBA 8-9 man rotation. I think we have 6 players plus Holmes right now that have value as anything other than an expiring pick or a spot guy for a team with injury woes.

 

[SacTownKid]

Never stop drafting second rounders. That's what thing I've really liked about Monte's approach until this season; he's actually invested in some developmental pieces that might pop. It's more or less random if one does or not, but the point is to keep giving yourself shots on goal. Smart teams make a point to get into the 2nd round as often as possible.

But when Liddell is playing 18 minutes off the bench for NOP in the playoffs and Hardy fills in for Brunson, I'm sure we'll be thanking our lucky stars we held onto the Len and Harkless expiring contracts.

And as of now in a worst case the Kings have very little of value in terms of upside youth to be throwing away these chances. I would imagine they'll get something of value for Fox/Sabonis but the more the merrier.

 

[sactowndog]

Obviously this is an unpopular opinion tonight but we really need to get down to 13 contracts with 9 guys that deserve regular minutes before we can take on long term projects. Our biggest issue right now which was not having 5 quality starters was solved. Our next issue is actually having a legitimate NBA 8-9 man rotation. I think we have 6 players plus Holmes right now that have value as anything other than an expiring pick or a spot guy for a team with injury woes.

The point of 2 way deals is exactly for guys like Hardy.

 

[Livinthedream]

Trading down just to trade down is pointless though. Would we really feel better about the day if we came out of the night with the 5th pick and Killian Hayes?

Maybe? Ha ha.

Look. Murray is a fine player. I don't see a path to the playoffs as it stands right now, however and I was hopeful that that path would materialize today. It didn't, so it's wait and see time. Maybe Mike Brown can mold this team into something.

 

[BillyStrings]

Good players, bad

Maybe? Ha ha.

Look. Murray is a fine player. I don't see a path to the playoffs as it stands right now, however and I was hopeful that that path would materialize today. It didn't, so it's wait and see time. Maybe Mike Brown can mold this team into something.

Something I learned a long time ago. Good leader, bad system….bet on the system.

 

[The_Jamal]

Obviously this is an unpopular opinion tonight but we really need to get down to 13 contracts with 9 guys that deserve regular minutes before we can take on long term projects. Our biggest issue right now which was not having 5 quality starters was solved. Our next issue is actually having a legitimate NBA 8-9 man rotation. I think we have 6 players plus Holmes right now that have value as anything other than an expiring pick or a spot guy for a team with injury woes.

That's the thing, I don't think Liddell/Hardy especially are long-term projects. Maybe Brown is, but we also saw just last year with how Herb Jones a "Defense only guy" can pop in the league. Yeah we need to figure out the rotation, but I'd much rather have any one of those guys be my 10-12th man next season over the guys we currently have at the end of the bench.

I'll be more willing to give it a pass if Venzenkof comes over, but it's still just horrible process for a bad team. Punting your 37 overall pick is how bad teams continue to stay bad. And guess what, if things do blow with the main core in the next year? We're going to wish we had more young guys like Liddell/Brown/Hardy/Keels to reset with.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The point of 2 way deals is exactly for guys like Hardy.

we keep cutting them to make room for the next guy. my point here is that we've had so many of these stupid picks and you can only have two 2-ways. Let teams have 5 2-ways, but the PA would never allow it because it means teams would be "holding guys back", reality is those guys probably need to go to europe to make money because they aren't NBA level yet.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

That's the thing, I don't think Liddell/Hardy especially are long-term projects. Maybe Brown is, but we also saw just last year with how Herb Jones a "Defense only guy" can pop in the league. Yeah we need to figure out the rotation, but I'd much rather have any one of those guys be my 10-12th man next season over the guys we currently have at the end of the bench.

I'll be more willing to give it a pass if Venzenkof comes over, but it's still just horrible process for a bad team. Punting your 37 overall pick is how bad teams continue to stay bad. And guess what, if things do blow with the main core in the next year? We're going to wish we had more young guys like Liddell/Brown/Hardy/Keels to reset with.

but we really need to offload the rest of our junk before we can even develop those guys. I hope there's a thorough housecleaning but it may take until the deadline.

 

[SacTownKid]

That's the thing, I don't think Liddell/Hardy especially are long-term projects. Maybe Brown is, but we also saw just last year with how Herb Jones a "Defense only guy" can pop in the league. Yeah we need to figure out the rotation, but I'd much rather have any one of those guys be my 10-12th man next season over the guys we currently have at the end of the bench.

I'll be more willing to give it a pass if Venzenkof comes over, but it's still just horrible process for a bad team. Punting your 37 overall pick is how bad teams continue to stay bad. And guess what, if things do blow with the main core in the next year? We're going to wish we had more young guys like Liddell/Brown/Hardy/Keels to reset with.

Yep, and the Kings youth movement is going to be 22 and 24 right now on a blow up. Probably too developed to get you bad enough to get to the top unless the Kings get super lucky again. This has to work now for sure. Show us what you got Fox!

 

[iowamcnabb]

I’ll reserve judgment on the second round until we see what the roster looks like but I would have liked to see us draft Liddell.

 

[ockingsfan]

which assumes Detroit didn't want Murray or wouldn't have picked him if we picked Ivey. Murray was obviously our guy and was going top 5 I ain't mad. y'all are ridiculous. I wanted a haul too but I still wanted the right player first and foremost.

Exactly. Judging by what Detroit did before the draft (traded away their SF/PF, Jerami Grant) and what they did immediately after the Kings picked Murray at #4 (rumored to be frantically trying to piece together a trade for Ivey, before making their pick), I think there is a good chance that Detroit was looking to trade up to #4 to take Murray, not Ivey.

If the Kings traded out of #4 for "more assets", we would had missed out on our targeted player, Keegan Murray.

 

[MizzouKing]

You have stated multiple times that they could have traded down. This may be true but at 10 none of those players were there. Kuzma is not a winning basketball player period. Collins wasn’t truly available. Maybe for 4th and Barnes but we weren’t doing that. At the end of the day all of the speculated trades were just that speculation. You are bashing lack of creativity based on speculation. I would bet a pretty penny Monte explored many options - being an NBA gm and an analytics nerd and all

But but but Monte could’ve just offered up DDV and our second round pick and moved up to take Chet! And what does he do? Nothing. Lots of teams were interested, but our FO just sat on their hands. And now we’re gonna suck forever. #Kangz.

 

[macadocious]

I was mildly excited when I thought we drafted Elvis, mildly disappointed when I found out we didn’t.

 

[Padrino]

Maybe? Ha ha.

Look. Murray is a fine player. I don't see a path to the playoffs as it stands right now, however and I was hopeful that that path would materialize today. It didn't, so it's wait and see time. Maybe Mike Brown can mold this team into something.

When did draft day become both the beginning and end of the off-season? Monte still has quite a bit of time to fine-tune the roster before Mike Brown gets hands-on in training camp.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Fox Mitchell
DDV TD
Barnes Mo
Murray ?
Sabonis Holmes

 

[ESP47]

That's the thing, I don't think Liddell/Hardy especially are long-term projects. Maybe Brown is, but we also saw just last year with how Herb Jones a "Defense only guy" can pop in the league. Yeah we need to figure out the rotation, but I'd much rather have any one of those guys be my 10-12th man next season over the guys we currently have at the end of the bench.

I'll be more willing to give it a pass if Venzenkof comes over, but it's still just horrible process for a bad team. Punting your 37 overall pick is how bad teams continue to stay bad. And guess what, if things do blow with the main core in the next year? We're going to wish we had more young guys like Liddell/Brown/Hardy/Keels to reset with.

I think Hardy is definitely a long term project but with about as high an upside as it gets for a 2nd round pick. Would have been perfectly happy with either him or Liddell. If Liddell hits, he could potentially allow you to run some pretty switchable lineups with shooters everywhere.

Instead the Kings just could not bring themselves to part with Metu/Len/Harkless etc.

It has to be about money. Doesn't make any sense otherwise.

 

[Dongoodboy]

I’ll reserve judgment on the second round until we see what the roster looks like but I would have liked to see us draft Liddell.

I think you can judge him by now when he traded away Tillman, Gary Trent Jr, Kenyon Martin Jr and draft guys like Woodard, Ramsey. Of course if we get into the playoff it is not a thing. It is the ultimate judgement.

 

[Livinthedream]

When did draft day become both the beginning and end of the off-season? Monte still has quite a bit of time to fine-tune the roster before Mike Brown gets hands-on in training camp.

Agreed. That pick was a big bargaining chip though.

 

[SacTownKid]

When did draft day become both the beginning and end of the off-season? Monte still has quite a bit of time to fine-tune the roster before Mike Brown gets hands-on in training camp.

Fine tune with what though? The Kings aren't exactly brimming with assets here. The ones they did have got dumped or used directly.

 

[joemama]

Fox Mitchell
DDV TD
Barnes Mo
Murray ?
Sabonis Holmes

?=Hartenstein

Holmes for wing.

Fox Mitchell
DDV TD
Barnes Oubre (?)
Murray Hartenstein
Sabonis Len

 

[Tetsujin]

I think you can judge him by now when he traded away Tillman, Gary Trent Jr, Kenyon Martin Jr and draft guys like Woodard, Ramsey. Of course if we get into the playoff it is not a thing. It is the ultimate judgement.

That was Vlade

 

[SacTownKid]

Fox Mitchell
DDV TD
Barnes Mo
Murray ?
Sabonis Holmes

Now we see if there is any sort of plan here. I can't see Holmes being good with his minutes and they better not re-sign DDV to the extent that it costs them Barnes and/or max space next summer. Play it smart Monte.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Monte has to know this roster isn’t good enough. We still need shooting, we still need defense. He is going to have to find at least 2 guys in trades and signings this off-season

 

[SacTownKid]

That was Vlade

No, that was the Kings from the looks of it.