KINGS PICKING 4TH IN 2022 NBA DRAFT!
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Even if the Kings take until the deadline he'll have value because he's clearly viewed the way he is for his upside. Teams won't write him off within 4 months. Monte asked for the moon and so far hasn't gotten it and probably won't considering the teams mentioned don't really have much in the way of game changing pieces. If Monte takes Murray at 4, he'll catch a beating from the media, but it will still be victory but it will be a tainted victory because while the Kings got better, not nearly the way they could have.
The more I've thought about it the more sense it makes. Yes, it's a bad contract, but it's a bad contract that ends at the same time Sabonis would be due for an extension so other than possibly re-signing Barnes, it shouldn't have much impact.
Hayward and #13 for Holmes, Holiday, Harkless, and Len works and gives Charlotte some cap relief this year and a lot next year, plus a starting center that pairs well with their franchise PG. But I'd love to also squeeze PJ Washington out of them too. Maybe throw in Metu and either a couple 2nd rounders or a lotto protected future 1st round pick.
Hayward and #13 for Holmes, Holiday, Harkless, and Len works and gives Charlotte some cap relief this year and a lot next year, plus a starting center that pairs well with their franchise PG. But I'd love to also squeeze PJ Washington out of them too. Maybe throw in Metu and either a couple 2nd rounders or a lotto protected future 1st round pick.
The argument for drafting Murray is that 3/4 combo forwards who are plus defenders and can also stretch the floor have proved extremely difficult for us to find. His ceiling might be lower than Ivey's (I don't personally think it is) but we'd be filling a hole in the middle or our lineup that has persisted for well over a decade. He also seems extremely coachable and would fit with Mike Brown's desire to increase our paint touches. There may be some opportunities to get a player like that in free agency in a year but we always have to keep in mind that players aren't usually coming to Sacramento unless they've exhausted all other options.
Even if true, they are still better and bring more than Bagley ever did.
But I'd argue we haven't seen a large enough sample size to know whether it will elevate to more wins or not.
We've barely seen Domantas Sabonis and Swipa play together, let alone with those guys.
But we saw 3+ seasons of Bagley always missing time and being awful defensively when he did play.
You're fighting a losing battle here.
But I'd argue we haven't seen a large enough sample size to know whether it will elevate to more wins or not.
We've barely seen Domantas Sabonis and Swipa play together, let alone with those guys.
But we saw 3+ seasons of Bagley always missing time and being awful defensively when he did play.
You're fighting a losing battle here.
And my argument is that he's more a 4 than 3. Which matters. It's the same reason Barnes fizzled in Dallas. Obviously, it's not the biggest deal for Sac but it definitely helps set the value on players like that. The Kings basically got Barnes for free. That's a huge part of the conversation. If they select Murray they better not, by any means, pull a Bagley on him. He needs to play, he needs to score. His value is not going to be based on upside. Give him the Lyles/Metu role and his value will be diminished. If the Kings win, it will be easier to swallow however. I'm totally OK with Murray ending up a King on draft night, always have been, but they better know what to expect.
It doesn't close our max contract window completely, it just pushes it back a year. I think the 2024 FA class is better anyway. But we are cutting it close at that point with convincing Sabonis to stay. Hayward needs to transform himself into a consistent (40% or better) spot-up shooting threat for the next two years and our two rookies need to hit right away. It's a gamble that might pay off. I'm not sure that I would risk it, but I'm tempted.
If Hayward is healthy enough to at least give us 50 games a season? Maybe. The guy's still a solid player though he's not the same level he was prior to horrifying ankle injury.
Sabonis/(Jones?)/Queta
Collins/Lyles/Metu
Hayward/(Otto Porter?)/Sochan/
Ivey/DDV
Fox/Mitchell
is maybe not the most exciting team potential-wise but would probably be a playoff team at the very least with Ivey+Sochan+Davion being potential moveable young assets in a bigger trade for a star. Given another year or two, Collins's salary won't be a huge albatross what with the cap rising and the Kings not being achingly desperate to move him like the Hawks are. And Hayward's salary comes off the books the same year Sabonis is a free agent, giving us maneuverability to sign another big piece in conjunction with Domas.
Sabonis/(Jones?)/Queta
Collins/Lyles/Metu
Hayward/(Otto Porter?)/Sochan/
Ivey/DDV
Fox/Mitchell
is maybe not the most exciting team potential-wise but would probably be a playoff team at the very least with Ivey+Sochan+Davion being potential moveable young assets in a bigger trade for a star. Given another year or two, Collins's salary won't be a huge albatross what with the cap rising and the Kings not being achingly desperate to move him like the Hawks are. And Hayward's salary comes off the books the same year Sabonis is a free agent, giving us maneuverability to sign another big piece in conjunction with Domas.
I'm not fighting a battle. I enjoy the discussion and that's all.
Without getting deep in it and derailing the thread further, my only argument about Bagley has been how they used him and how they didn't do what any team with a #2 pick should do.
As far as Lyles and DDV. I like both players. My only gripe is that Lyles should shoot more (a lot more) and DDV should shoot less.
Without getting deep in it and derailing the thread further, my only argument about Bagley has been how they used him and how they didn't do what any team with a #2 pick should do.
As far as Lyles and DDV. I like both players. My only gripe is that Lyles should shoot more (a lot more) and DDV should shoot less.
It's too much of a gamble IMO. Sochan is a decent prospect defensive role guy, and Hayward would provide some things, but that year being pushed off could potentially cement your team so that Sabonis doesn't come back. If this team is a disaster 4 months into next year it would make it very difficult to either fix things in the interim around Fox/Sabonis or kick off a rebuild. Those expirings could be very valuable. I can kind of see the Collins thing, but Hayward is a 50/50 bet.
For all the talk about how the Kings “hold the keys to the draft” and everybody being so high on Ivey…
I find it somewhat interesting that in a guard driven league there hasn’t even been a hint that he could dislodge just one of the three bigs projected ahead of him. Especially considering that none of those three bigs except maybe Smith are considered slam dunks themselves.
I just find that surprising. Maybe it’s about the particular teams picking in the top 3.
I find it somewhat interesting that in a guard driven league there hasn’t even been a hint that he could dislodge just one of the three bigs projected ahead of him. Especially considering that none of those three bigs except maybe Smith are considered slam dunks themselves.
I just find that surprising. Maybe it’s about the particular teams picking in the top 3.
Lies, Curry 3s, break spirits. Barnes 3s do nothing but say, bet he will miss the next one. Even buddies 3s where somewhat special. You can deny a specialist doing what they do best has a impact then some random 3. Same with a monster dunk. Don't give me that old school, just lay it up and save energy garbage!
Still not clear on how anyone having a problem drafting Ivey thinking he's a bad fit. Not sure how his camp hinted to this either.
Are some people thinking Davion is gonna be starting at pg next year and Fox is somehow our SG now?
Ivey is a 2.
It's funny cause on trade boards most of the teams licking their chops to move up and grab him have a starting PG already in place. ie; Pacers, Hawks, Detroit.... Heck even OKC just picking him.
How come when it comes to us people don't think he fits??
Are some people thinking Davion is gonna be starting at pg next year and Fox is somehow our SG now?
Ivey is a 2.
It's funny cause on trade boards most of the teams licking their chops to move up and grab him have a starting PG already in place. ie; Pacers, Hawks, Detroit.... Heck even OKC just picking him.
How come when it comes to us people don't think he fits??
I agree completely.
If I was in charge, I'm making a pick at 4 unless some gm REALLY gets desperate and offers something I just can't refuse. Which to me means a DRASTIC overpay. Something even a near brain dead fan couldn't turn down.
Assuming that doesn't happen, I'm taking best talent available regardless of fit.
I'm not big on Banchero myself, but if either Jabari Smith or Chet Holmgren inexplicably fall to 4 -- I accept the gift and don't think twice.
If neither fall, I think I take Jaden Ivey and figure things out later.
If they take Keegan Murray at 4, I won't be upset but I will wonder if we made the same mistake as 2018 until proven otherwise.
I won't go as far as saying I'll be upset if Banchero, Mathurin, Sharpe or Daniels is selected at 4 but I will be far less thrilled until proven otherwise.
If I was in charge, I'm making a pick at 4 unless some gm REALLY gets desperate and offers something I just can't refuse. Which to me means a DRASTIC overpay. Something even a near brain dead fan couldn't turn down.
Assuming that doesn't happen, I'm taking best talent available regardless of fit.
I'm not big on Banchero myself, but if either Jabari Smith or Chet Holmgren inexplicably fall to 4 -- I accept the gift and don't think twice.
If neither fall, I think I take Jaden Ivey and figure things out later.
If they take Keegan Murray at 4, I won't be upset but I will wonder if we made the same mistake as 2018 until proven otherwise.
I won't go as far as saying I'll be upset if Banchero, Mathurin, Sharpe or Daniels is selected at 4 but I will be far less thrilled until proven otherwise.
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