Fox and/or #4 Trade Ideas
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I think most in that thread have an accurate read on where Wiggins is.
He went from one of the worst defenders in the league to a very capable one, and recovered from the initial expectations of being a superstar to settling in as a high level role player. The issue is that he's overpaid relative to his production. If he's moved to another team where he'd be asked to do more, he'd likely score a bit more but on lower efficiency and his defense would likely dip a bit.
Wiggins is a better player now, but he's still not a first or second option on a contending team. But the other major point is that he's going into his last year of his deal. Why trade the #4 pick and years of low cost control over a rookie for a player who could leave as a free agent after next season OR who you'd have to lock in with another huge contract?
He went from one of the worst defenders in the league to a very capable one, and recovered from the initial expectations of being a superstar to settling in as a high level role player. The issue is that he's overpaid relative to his production. If he's moved to another team where he'd be asked to do more, he'd likely score a bit more but on lower efficiency and his defense would likely dip a bit.
Wiggins is a better player now, but he's still not a first or second option on a contending team. But the other major point is that he's going into his last year of his deal. Why trade the #4 pick and years of low cost control over a rookie for a player who could leave as a free agent after next season OR who you'd have to lock in with another huge contract?
Really? We shouldn't look to get the best player we can get with a draft pick asset? Are you saying we should shoot for the worst player we can find? Maybe the most average player? I guess I'm confused on how to improve the team if we aren't trying to get the best players we can. You said we should only come away with a "multi year all star" - that sure sounds like trying to get the best player you can to me....
Anyone have access to this page to read the article? Not sure who it is reporting, but interesting nonetheless....
Henry Abbott: As I wrote on http://TrueHoop.com , I heard loose talk the Kings are moving up from 4. Among the things we don’t know: who will make that pick? Possible scenario: 2 Kings take Holmgren 3 Rockets pick Banchero and 4 Thunder take Jaden Ivey.
7 hours ago – via Twitter TrueHoop
Henry Abbott: As I wrote on http://TrueHoop.com , I heard loose talk the Kings are moving up from 4. Among the things we don’t know: who will make that pick? Possible scenario: 2 Kings take Holmgren 3 Rockets pick Banchero and 4 Thunder take Jaden Ivey.
7 hours ago – via Twitter TrueHoop
27pts 11 reb in west conf finals
He sure seems like a role player to me
He sure seems like a role player to me
It comes down to $ for GS.
There are several articles about moving Wiggins. The one i cited earlier was https://clutchpoints.com/warriors-r...on-andrew-wiggins-trade-might-be-unavoidable/
Again, I'm not saying Wiggins is 'the' answer, and I'm still waiting for someone to propose a better idea.
Also, the move would likely include Holmes, and some wings on the last year of their deals (Holiday and Hark), so they fill out their roster and we get another talented player. We NEED talent on the wing.
There are several articles about moving Wiggins. The one i cited earlier was https://clutchpoints.com/warriors-r...on-andrew-wiggins-trade-might-be-unavoidable/
Again, I'm not saying Wiggins is 'the' answer, and I'm still waiting for someone to propose a better idea.
Also, the move would likely include Holmes, and some wings on the last year of their deals (Holiday and Hark), so they fill out their roster and we get another talented player. We NEED talent on the wing.
He only has one year left on his contract anyway so the reason to move him wouldn't be to save money, it would be to get an asset in return before his contract comes off the books. But if you're GS and your team is going to fall off a cliff as soon as Steph Curry hangs it up, would you rather move your starting SF for another draft pick or for a guy who will help you win while you still have Steph, Klay, and Draymond? They already tried the soft reboot with Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody. Are they really going to want to use 4+ roster spots on preparing for the future while their core is still there?
They are at $171 million (23 million over luxury tax) with only 8 guaranteed contracts, so they might want to, yes.
Their core is Steph, Klay, and Draymond. They likely want to keep Poole, so moving Wiggins makes sense as they can't afford both (when Poole needs to resign).
Holmes is not preparing for the future, neither would the expiring contracts we would send (Holiday, Hark).
Their core is Steph, Klay, and Draymond. They likely want to keep Poole, so moving Wiggins makes sense as they can't afford both (when Poole needs to resign).
Holmes is not preparing for the future, neither would the expiring contracts we would send (Holiday, Hark).
I doubt the 4 is worth poole straight up. The guy creates, scores, and defends. He is they type of player Minnesota was hoping for when they traded for wiggins.
You would need to throw in Davion for that trade to work.
Frankly if we move the pick or not, im ok. But we need sign nba level talent in FA. Targets should be portis, bamba, hartenstein, in this order for bigs, and Martin twins for perimeter. Resign ddv amd if we cant get any of the above bigs, resign Damian Jones.
Next priority is to move Holmes and Len and possibly Harkless to get an impact player. If the #4 is utilized in this, then we better be getting a hellnof a player.
You would need to throw in Davion for that trade to work.
Frankly if we move the pick or not, im ok. But we need sign nba level talent in FA. Targets should be portis, bamba, hartenstein, in this order for bigs, and Martin twins for perimeter. Resign ddv amd if we cant get any of the above bigs, resign Damian Jones.
Next priority is to move Holmes and Len and possibly Harkless to get an impact player. If the #4 is utilized in this, then we better be getting a hellnof a player.
Based on what? He has made significant leaps each of the 3 years. He has dramatically improved his range and shot every year. And remember, he comes off the bench since Klay came back... Inthe beginning of the playoffs this year when he was starting for injured steph, he was killing it. I see him as a 25/5/5 player as he continues to develop.
I was down with a Randle trade at one point, but not at 4 with a drop that far in the draft. The Kings have a chance to luck into a potential star who is on a rookie contract during the time they'll be making the big moves with MAX money coming next summer. Just go with that and see what shakes out. This should have gone from, "We want to make the playoffs", to "Crap, we might be able to build a dynasty if we play this right and don't gunk up our cap".
People just assume the Kangz are going to Kangz. I do find it a bit funny that for pretty much the whole college season this was seen as a 4 player draft. As soon as the Kings move up to 4? 3 player draft, lol. This is GM's working the media hoping Vlade wasn't the one making all those bad draft move backs.
Fox and Sabonis have barely played together and already look like they have outstanding chemistry. Davion Mitchell is spending the whole summer in the gym working on his jumper. We have a #4 pick and a new coach coming in this year and money for a max FA next summer. That seems like a pretty good path to being good already if you ask me. I hope we don't make any trades unless someone (DET, IND, POR or NOP) is so desperate to move up a couple of spots that they'll give us a top 8 pick this year and either an additional first round pick or a starting caliber player.
If the pick is Ivey, give the Fox/Ivey backcourt a chance to work before selling low on a top 25 player who isn't even 25 years old yet. If the pick is anyone else, we won't even know what type of player would compliment them until we see them play for a season. All sorts of brilliant plans are made on paper on draft day that amount to nothing. We're so close to being relevant, I would hate to see us cut that progression off at the knees in a misguided attempt to chase a one year championship (in Sacramento Kings terms that would mean making the playoffs). It will happen when it's supposed to happen if we just trust the people we've already invested in.
If the pick is Ivey, give the Fox/Ivey backcourt a chance to work before selling low on a top 25 player who isn't even 25 years old yet. If the pick is anyone else, we won't even know what type of player would compliment them until we see them play for a season. All sorts of brilliant plans are made on paper on draft day that amount to nothing. We're so close to being relevant, I would hate to see us cut that progression off at the knees in a misguided attempt to chase a one year championship (in Sacramento Kings terms that would mean making the playoffs). It will happen when it's supposed to happen if we just trust the people we've already invested in.