Fox and/or #4 Trade Ideas

twslam07 · May 18, 2022

Since we jumped up to #4 yesterday, the floodgates opened up for me in regards to trade ideas/possibilities. Below are some that came to mind:

CHA Gets: Richaun Holmes & #4 / SAC Gets: PJ Washington, Kai Jones, #13, & #15
CHA Gets: Myles Turner / IND Gets: De'Aaron Fox / SAC Gets: Malcolm Brogdon, #13, & #15
DET Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Jerami Grant & Saddiq Bey
IND Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Malcolm Brogdon & #6
OKC Gets: Mo Harkless & #4 / SAC Gets: Aleksej Pokusevski, Lu Dort, & #12
ORL Gets: De'Aaron Fox & #4 / SAC Gets: Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, & #1
POR Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Justin Holiday, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Damian Lillard & Josh Hart
TOR Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, & #4 / SAC Gets: OG Anunoby & 2023 TOR 1st (Top 14 Protected)
TOR Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, #4, 2023 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected), & 2025 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected) / SAC Gets: Pascal Siakam & Fred VanVleet

twslam07 · May 18, 2022

I think Indiana being interested in Fox and Toronto willing to sell off Siakam & VanVleet is a bit unrealistic. I could likely throw ORL in that group as well by moving the #1 overall pick.

The Detroit deal would be interesting as we'd have Fox, Mitchell, DiVincenzo, Davis, Bey, Holiday, Barnes, Grant, & Sabonis. Lot of defense, length, shooting, and a good complement to Sabonis at PF.

The first Charlotte deal would be interesting because we'd still get a great fit at PF in Washington but also still have 3 more young assets added to the team.

macadocious · May 18, 2022

I hate almost all your trades, lol

OptimusRhyme · May 18, 2022

I wonder if Spurs would do something like (Vassell & 9 for 4 & filler)?
Kings get an elite SG/SF defender and floor stretcher, then they could use 9 on Griffin/Eason/Agbaji/Duren.

Spurs take Ivey an pair him with D. Murray. That backcourt would be electric.

Maybe i'm undervaluing the #4 pick a bit here tho.. Ivey and K. Murray will both be great.

twslam07 · May 18, 2022

macadocious said:

Assuming we resign DiVincenzo, we'd have the following roster going into next season:

PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #4 / #37 / #49

I wouldn't be unhappy with that roster. However, below is how our rosters would look across the trades I listed...

Trade #1 CHA Gets: Richaun Holmes & #4 / SAC Gets: PJ Washington, Kai Jones, #13, & #15)
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - PJ Washington / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Kai Jones / Alex Len
Picks - #13 / #15 / #37 / #49

Trade #2 CHA Gets: Myles Turner / IND Gets: De'Aaron Fox / SAC Gets: Malcolm Brogdon, #13, & #15
PG - Davion Mitchell / Donte DiVincenzo
SG - Malcolm Brogdon / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #4 / #13 / #15 / #37 / #49

Trade #3 DET Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Jerami Grant & Saddiq Bey
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Saddiq Bey / Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Jerami Grant Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis
Picks - #37 / #49

Trade #4 IND Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Malcolm Brogdon & #6
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Malcolm Brogdon / Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis
Picks - #6 / #37 / #49

Trade #5 OKC Gets: Mo Harkless & #4 / SAC Gets: Aleksej Pokusevski, Lu Dort, & #12
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Lu Dort / Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Aleksej Pokusevski / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #12 / #37 / #49

Trade #6 ORL Gets: De'Aaron Fox & #4 / SAC Gets: Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, & #1
PG - Davion Mitchell / Markelle Fultz
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - Jonathan Isaac / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #1 / #37 / #49

Trade #7 POR Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Justin Holiday, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Damian Lillard & Josh Hart
PG - Damian Lillard / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Josh Hart
PF - Harrison Barnes / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes
Picks - #37 / #49

Trade #8 TOR Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, & #4 / SAC Gets: OG Anunoby & 2023 TOR 1st (Top 14 Protected)
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - OG Anunoby / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Alex Len
Picks - #37 / #49 / 2023 TOR 1st (Top 14 Protected)

Trade #9 TOR Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, #4, 2023 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected), & 2025 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected) / SAC Gets: Pascal Siakam & Fred VanVleet
PG - Fred VanVleet / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Pascal Siakam / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Alex Len
Picks - #37 / #49

I don't know about you, but there are quite a few of these rosters that I would say would be more competitive next year than if we keep the pick and resign DiVincenzo. Considering McNair seems to have the objective of winning now, I'm not sure he wouldn't be inclined to take some of these trades.

kb02 · May 18, 2022

twslam07 said:

Assuming we resign DiVincenzo, we'd have the following roster going into next season:

PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #4 / #37 / #49

I wouldn't be unhappy with that roster. However, below is how our rosters would look across the trades I listed...

Trade #1 CHA Gets: Richaun Holmes & #4 / SAC Gets: PJ Washington, Kai Jones, #13, & #15)
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - PJ Washington / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Kai Jones / Alex Len
Picks - #13 / #15 / #37 / #49

Trade #2 CHA Gets: Myles Turner / IND Gets: De'Aaron Fox / SAC Gets: Malcolm Brogdon, #13, & #15
PG - Davion Mitchell / Donte DiVincenzo
SG - Malcolm Brogdon / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #4 / #13 / #15 / #37 / #49

Trade #3 DET Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Jerami Grant & Saddiq Bey
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Saddiq Bey / Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Jerami Grant Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis
Picks - #37 / #49

Trade #4 IND Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Malcolm Brogdon & #6
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Malcolm Brogdon / Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis
Picks - #6 / #37 / #49

Trade #5 OKC Gets: Mo Harkless & #4 / SAC Gets: Aleksej Pokusevski, Lu Dort, & #12
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Lu Dort / Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Aleksej Pokusevski / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #12 / #37 / #49

Trade #6 ORL Gets: De'Aaron Fox & #4 / SAC Gets: Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, & #1
PG - Davion Mitchell / Markelle Fultz
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - Jonathan Isaac / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #1 / #37 / #49

Trade #7 POR Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Justin Holiday, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Damian Lillard & Josh Hart
PG - Damian Lillard / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Josh Hart
PF - Harrison Barnes / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes
Picks - #37 / #49

Trade #8 TOR Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, & #4 / SAC Gets: OG Anunoby & 2023 TOR 1st (Top 14 Protected)
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - OG Anunoby / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Alex Len
Picks - #37 / #49 / 2023 TOR 1st (Top 14 Protected)

Trade #9 TOR Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, #4, 2023 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected), & 2025 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected) / SAC Gets: Pascal Siakam & Fred VanVleet
PG - Fred VanVleet / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Pascal Siakam / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Alex Len
Picks - #37 / #49

I don't know about you, but there are quite a few of these rosters that I would say would be more competitive next year than if we keep the pick and resign DiVincenzo. Considering McNair seems to have the objective of winning now, I'm not sure he wouldn't be inclined to take some of these trades.

The most obvious trade is Fox + 4 for Donovon Mitchell.

twslam07 · May 18, 2022

kb02 said:

I'd likely be down for that trade, but why would UTA do it? If Mitchell and Gobert isn't enough to be a cotender, how is Fox & Gobert enough to get them there? Especially since they are replacing a floor spacer in Mitchell with Fox (giving them two non-spacers in Fox & Gobert).

kb02 · May 18, 2022

twslam07 said:

If Utah is moving from Donovan, they're likely going to be moving from Gobert as well. Reset with Fox, #4, and whatever Gobert returns.

ESP47 · May 18, 2022

The Kings need to add talent and pieces. Trading Fox + 4 for Mitchell gives us a small uptick in talent and takes away a very valuable piece in the #4 pick. Donovan + Sabonis won't get us to the playoffs.

Padrino · May 18, 2022

ESP47 said:

Yeah, parting with Fox and the #4 for a player like Mitchell is a bit of an overpay. In a vacuum, I think a hypothetical trio of Sabonis / Fox / Keegan Murray is more likely to be a consistent playoff core than a duo of Sabonis / Donovan Mitchell. The Kings definitely need to add talent, and if they were to package the 4th pick with any of their existing talent in a trade, they would need to be sure that they were receiving more than just "a small uptick" in return.

twslam07 · May 18, 2022

OptimusRhyme said:

This is an interesting idea. If you could pick up Eason at #9, you'd have a pretty darn complementary team.

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Vassell / DiVincenzo / Davis
SF - Barnes / Holiday / Harkless
PF - Eason / Lyles / Metu
C - Sabonis / Holmes / Len

twslam07 · May 18, 2022

kb02 said:

I don't know if trading for Fox is really considered a reset. If they are moving Mitchell & Gobert, they'd prioritize someone younger/picks over Fox.

Woot! · May 18, 2022

kb02 said:

I say this unhyperbolically - IMO, Donovan Mitchell may well be the most overrated player in the league. A bad defender (by RAPTOR score, not just eyeballing it), okay shooter (44% career, 36% from 3) on a team apparently happy to see him jack up shots. In fact, my criticisms of him sound a lot like the criticisms kb02 offers of Fox, w/the caveat that Fox has never had the likes of Rudy Gobert to cover up for his half-a$$ed defense.

The thought of trading Fox doesn't bother me. *That* particular trade would bother me.

SacTownKid · May 18, 2022

macadocious said:

The fact is there isn't going to be a single trade of Fox/4 that makes sense. It's fun to ponder but moving your main piece plus a top pick in what was always viewed as a 4 player draft while in that window would have to net an MVP candidate that fits Sabonis. There isn't one. Arguably the top 3 players aren't for sale and two of them in Embiid and Jokic play the same spot as Sabonis. That leaves Giannis. Not going to happen.

kb02 · May 18, 2022

Woot! said:

Most winning teams have two multi-year all stars anchoring their team. Donovan and Domas would provide that. No matter how much you try to shoot the messenger or tear down Mitchell, non-Kings fan would consider Fox + 4 for Donovan as near fair value. Maybe Utah has to add a little or maybe the Kings do, but it's not as a gross as you seem to think it is.

kb02 · May 18, 2022

twslam07 said:

If I'm Utah, I wouldn't do that trade unless Banchero was there at 4. Only reason I think Donovan is a better fit than Dame is the age of Domas. Donovan fits better with Domas arch than Dame. Otherwise, Dame > Donovan. And only reason Donovan is mentioned is because of the rumored unrest there.

kb02 · May 18, 2022

ESP47 said:

A small uptick? I think it's much wider than that. Maybe Fox closes the gap, but both entered the league the same year and their resumes are not comparable.

Just got done crunching some numbers for my plays. Man, the Put/Call ratio today for TSLA looks nasty for 5/20. Lolzzzz.

iowamcnabb · May 18, 2022

I wonder why Mitchell is a bad defender in the NBA? That was his calling card out of college

kb02 · May 18, 2022

iowamcnabb said:

He hasn't been league average. Think a part of it is the Gobert insurance and the other is his role/focus. Can he be better? I think so. Will he ever be elite? I don't think so. Fox likely has a higher defensive ceiling than Donovan because of their physical tools.

pdxKingsFan · May 18, 2022

How about we give Fox some time under Brown to see if he defends at the level he is capable at when put in a system that encourages and rewards defense?

Fox and #4 for Mitchell is terrible. You not only trade 2 for 1 starters, but you don't help the Mitchell we already have here either, which presumably a different Fox deal would do.

OptimusRhyme · May 18, 2022

twslam07 said:

yea the defensive potential is pretty rediculous with that lineup.
If they're going with fox long term, a sniper with elite defense and low usage on offense is prolly best beside him.

I like your idea of getting Anunoby .. I doubt theyd trade Van Vleet aswell tho.

midtowner · May 18, 2022

I’m totally down for Donovan Mitchell for Fox and the #4 (maybe get a bit more back from Utah - like a pick or other Bogi).

The Jazz are done. If they don’t reset - they will turn into a dumpster fire in salary cap hell.

Davion and Donovan together would be nasty. We’d have swag every night. And I trust Mike Brown to get the most out of them.

dude12 · May 18, 2022

Jesus…..there are some bad ideas being bandied about. We are building around Fox and Ox. I highly doubt they deal the pick at 4 now but of course it’s a possibility but I think they keep it

Woot! · May 18, 2022

kb02 said:

Shoot the messenger? I didn't do that. Nor am I tearing down Mitchell. I just don't think he deserves the reputation he has and certainly wouldn't trade Fox + #4 for him and think if they did it'd work out badly for them. Biggest diff between the two is the quality of their respective coaches and casts, rather than the strengths/weaknesses of their games. Fox would LOVE to be in DM's sitch.

206Fan · May 18, 2022

twslam07 said:

Assuming we resign DiVincenzo, we'd have the following roster going into next season:

PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #4 / #37 / #49

I wouldn't be unhappy with that roster. However, below is how our rosters would look across the trades I listed...

Trade #1 CHA Gets: Richaun Holmes & #4 / SAC Gets: PJ Washington, Kai Jones, #13, & #15)
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - PJ Washington / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Kai Jones / Alex Len
Picks - #13 / #15 / #37 / #49

Trade #2 CHA Gets: Myles Turner / IND Gets: De'Aaron Fox / SAC Gets: Malcolm Brogdon, #13, & #15
PG - Davion Mitchell / Donte DiVincenzo
SG - Malcolm Brogdon / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #4 / #13 / #15 / #37 / #49

Trade #3 DET Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Jerami Grant & Saddiq Bey
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Saddiq Bey / Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Jerami Grant Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis
Picks - #37 / #49

Trade #4 IND Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Malcolm Brogdon & #6
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Malcolm Brogdon / Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis
Picks - #6 / #37 / #49

Trade #5 OKC Gets: Mo Harkless & #4 / SAC Gets: Aleksej Pokusevski, Lu Dort, & #12
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Lu Dort / Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Aleksej Pokusevski / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #12 / #37 / #49

Trade #6 ORL Gets: De'Aaron Fox & #4 / SAC Gets: Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, & #1
PG - Davion Mitchell / Markelle Fultz
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday / Mo Harkless
PF - Jonathan Isaac / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes / Alex Len
Picks - #1 / #37 / #49

Trade #7 POR Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Justin Holiday, Mo Harkless, Alex Len, & #4 / SAC Gets: Damian Lillard & Josh Hart
PG - Damian Lillard / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Josh Hart
PF - Harrison Barnes / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Richaun Holmes
Picks - #37 / #49

Trade #8 TOR Gets: Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, & #4 / SAC Gets: OG Anunoby & 2023 TOR 1st (Top 14 Protected)
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - OG Anunoby / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Alex Len
Picks - #37 / #49 / 2023 TOR 1st (Top 14 Protected)

Trade #9 TOR Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Richaun Holmes, Mo Harkless, #4, 2023 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected), & 2025 SAC 1st (Top 4 Protected) / SAC Gets: Pascal Siakam & Fred VanVleet
PG - Fred VanVleet / Davion Mitchell
SG - Donte DiVincenzo / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Justin Holiday
PF - Pascal Siakam / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis / Alex Len
Picks - #37 / #49

I don't know about you, but there are quite a few of these rosters that I would say would be more competitive next year than if we keep the pick and resign DiVincenzo. Considering McNair seems to have the objective of winning now, I'm not sure he wouldn't be inclined to take some of these trades.

My favorite is definitely the Detroit trade. I think we get proven established starters in the league for an unknown rookie pick. I think for now, Fox is probably completely off the table unless it'd be for an aging all-star(aka Damian Lillard and crazy Kyrie Irving). Fox's resurgence after trading Haliburton away has boosted up his stock. I think the FO could make the argument that playing alongside Haliburton was the reason for his decline this year.

Jkbiker · May 19, 2022

Here is my revised Trade 3:

Trade #3 DET Gets: Richaun Holmes, Justin Holiday, & #4 / SAC Gets: Saddiq Bey, Kelly Olynyk, & #6
PG - De'Aaron Fox / Davion Mitchell/ Pick #49-Two-way
SG - Saddiq Bey/ Donte DiVincenzo- RFA Match / Terence Davis
SF - Harrison Barnes / Harkless/ Pick #37
PF - Keegan Murray / Trey Lyles / Chimezie Metu
C - Domantas Sabonis/ Olynyk/ Len/ Jones-MLE money/Queta-two-way

Why for Detroit: Can get Ivey for Cade/Ivey backcourt/ Gets cost controlled Holmes for C,
Why for Kings: Gets starter Bey for SG/SF, gets either Sharpe or Murray with 6th pick

twslam07 · May 19, 2022

Jkbiker said:

I don't think Detroit bites on that.

I have Holmes value at maybe around #25 and I have Bey's value at maybe around #10. So in my mind, this is #4 & #25 for #6 & #10. Think we're winning this trade pretty easily especially since Holmes is 28 (doesn't really make sense for a rebuild) and they already have a young C in Stewart that I'm sure they'll want to continue developing.

funkykingston · May 19, 2022

Jkbiker said:

Detroit actually has the 5th pick. And I'm not sure Holmes would start over Stewart so their young, starting forward for a backup center and the chance to move up one spot in the draft is a pretty hefty price to pay.

Rain man · May 19, 2022

Jkbiker said:

Yeah- I think the trade backs with Detroit are interesting options (note that Detroit picks #5 not #6). If you can get an extra piece from Detroit, and still get to choose between Murray and Sharpe at #5, then it is a home run.

I would probably start DDV at the 2, Bey at the 3 and Barnes at the 4, with Murray off the bench to start the season, and then try to trade Barnes at the deadline for more pieces.

Rain man · May 19, 2022

I also wonder if there is some trade back package with Portland to consider. People here are high on Josh Hart, so I wonder if you could build some sort of package on Holmes and #4 for Hart, Naz Little, and #7.

Holmes would be appealing to them given the uncertainty of Nurkic, and the fact that he gets played off the floor in crunch time. #4 would allow them to add Sharpe or Ivey to Dame. And I love Naz Little.

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