Blow It Up
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correct - we got lucky getting BOTH bagley AND fox...
otherwise, our current "core" would probably be dennis smith jr/wendell carter, unless in the absence of fox, we took donovan mitchell (although point guard was our position of need at the time).
this is what "blowing it up" looks like in the early days - when a team that is widely seen as tanking suddenly clicks, winning six straight nba games:
otherwise, our current "core" would probably be dennis smith jr/wendell carter, unless in the absence of fox, we took donovan mitchell (although point guard was our position of need at the time).
this is what "blowing it up" looks like in the early days - when a team that is widely seen as tanking suddenly clicks, winning six straight nba games:
The Rockets are winning because they're playing all their older dudes right now because their GM not so subtly leaked his desire to fire their coach for losing too many games and their incredibly inefficient 2nd overall pick has been out with an injury the entire time so probably not the best example but I get what you're going for.
i only went back to sunday's game, but this doesn't look like the rockets are playing all vets (not that the rockets have many)... theis started but played only 16 minutes... eric gordon played 33 but everyone else with major minutes (except wood - who i guess is a vet, but barely) are youth:
https://www.nba.com/game/nop-vs-hou-0022100352/box-score
https://www.nba.com/game/nop-vs-hou-0022100352/box-score
Let's look at their starting lineup from that game since you pointed it out. Gordon is 33 in two weeks. Wood and Tate are 26, Garrison Matthews is 25, Theiss is 29. Their bench featured Danuel House, 28, and DJ Augustin, approximately 5 billion years old.
Of the guys who've been playing during this winning streak, only Sengun, KPJ, Kenyon Martin Jr., and Josh Christopher can really be considered "youth' and Sengun has been get way too few minutes. You could probably throw in Armoni Brooks, who's come out of nowhere to become their 6th/7th man to the youth thing too but the Rockets have been rocking starting lineups with with a higher mean age than the Kings of late.
Of the guys who've been playing during this winning streak, only Sengun, KPJ, Kenyon Martin Jr., and Josh Christopher can really be considered "youth' and Sengun has been get way too few minutes. You could probably throw in Armoni Brooks, who's come out of nowhere to become their 6th/7th man to the youth thing too but the Rockets have been rocking starting lineups with with a higher mean age than the Kings of late.
Yeah, as happy as I've been with Hali/Mitchell, if we tanked the last 2 years, and got the 3rd pick, we'd have Melo and Mobley as a future core. Two players who look to be franchise cornerstones+potential top 20 players down the line. As opposed to Hali/Mitchell who I think are starter quality, but probably max out around top 60-75ish?
houston wins 7th straight - don't blow it up too soon.
box:
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401360196
you focused on calendar age - i'm looking more at "experience".
after all, davion and dearron are about the same age. one is in his fifth nba season and the other is a rookie.
if the kings were to trade dearron and start davion in his place, would you argue that that is noit blowing it up because they are the same age?
as to d.j., wasn't the fountain of youth supposed to be located near st. augustine?
https://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com/
box:
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401360196
you focused on calendar age - i'm looking more at "experience".
after all, davion and dearron are about the same age. one is in his fifth nba season and the other is a rookie.
if the kings were to trade dearron and start davion in his place, would you argue that that is noit blowing it up because they are the same age?
as to d.j., wasn't the fountain of youth supposed to be located near st. augustine?
https://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com/
yeah tanking can be funny. The Celtics went full tank and traded for miserable Dallas's first rounder in 96-97 only to see the Spurs lose D-Rob early in the season and wind up with the grand prize. Warriors "tank" was brought on by their two stars being out and a fruitful trade or two. They are one of the few teams I've ever seen get positive net assets when a star player decides to just take his sh and run. Unbelievably dumb luck they have had on top of clearly being a well managed organization.
Fox is a good player, but he doesn’t have that cold-blooded, killer instinct - You can just tell.
Without question, Davion has it - even as a rookie. He is a cool customer. This guy is a keeper.
In just the early stages of his 2nd season, ‘Rese is in the process of figuring out his game, but he reminds me a lot of Magic Johnson - not an elite athlete but a player with exceptionally high basketball IQ, tremendous court vision, and a knack for delivering in the clutch. He makes his teammates better and has an abundance of intangibles. As he develops further, he could very easily average double-figures in assists. This is a guy the Kings MUST hold on to.
I believed in Fox for a long time, but he’s hit his ceiling in Sacramento. It’s time to quit fooling ourselves into believing that he’s the savior that will lead this franchise to the promised land.
The Kings need to cash in on Fox’s value and get some quality return.
Without question, Davion has it - even as a rookie. He is a cool customer. This guy is a keeper.
In just the early stages of his 2nd season, ‘Rese is in the process of figuring out his game, but he reminds me a lot of Magic Johnson - not an elite athlete but a player with exceptionally high basketball IQ, tremendous court vision, and a knack for delivering in the clutch. He makes his teammates better and has an abundance of intangibles. As he develops further, he could very easily average double-figures in assists. This is a guy the Kings MUST hold on to.
I believed in Fox for a long time, but he’s hit his ceiling in Sacramento. It’s time to quit fooling ourselves into believing that he’s the savior that will lead this franchise to the promised land.
The Kings need to cash in on Fox’s value and get some quality return.
When fox came into the 4th we were down 8. He scored or assisted in 12 of the kings next 14 points and helped the kings to bring it to within 1. Yes he missed the last free throws but we aren’t close to in the game in the end without him. Fox did put on 10 extra pounds of muscle but he can only carry the team for so long. Maybe take out buddy at any point for the last mins of the game for a decent defender since he wasn’t helping on offense?
Lol.
So you say that Magic wouldn’t turn down a wide open layup but then you present a montage of all his screw-ups during the highest pressure moments of the NBA Finals.
It’s true that even HOF-ers are going to make a few blunders during the course of their storied careers, but here’s the point:
If Fox can’t even make ONE free throw with a relatively meaningless game on the line, he sure as heck doesn’t have the mettle to hit the game-winning FTs under the bright lights when a championship hangs in the balance.
Moreover, Kings fans will never get the chance to find out because if Fox is the franchise’s best player then he’s never going to propel his team to that level of contention anyway.
Look, if you and some others think that Fox is THE cornerstone them fine - I’m not going to argue with you.
I personally think that the future is much more promising with Halliburton and/or Mitchell as the foundation, but I could be wrong.
Then again, I could be right.
So you say that Magic wouldn’t turn down a wide open layup but then you present a montage of all his screw-ups during the highest pressure moments of the NBA Finals.
It’s true that even HOF-ers are going to make a few blunders during the course of their storied careers, but here’s the point:
If Fox can’t even make ONE free throw with a relatively meaningless game on the line, he sure as heck doesn’t have the mettle to hit the game-winning FTs under the bright lights when a championship hangs in the balance.
Moreover, Kings fans will never get the chance to find out because if Fox is the franchise’s best player then he’s never going to propel his team to that level of contention anyway.
Look, if you and some others think that Fox is THE cornerstone them fine - I’m not going to argue with you.
I personally think that the future is much more promising with Halliburton and/or Mitchell as the foundation, but I could be wrong.
Then again, I could be right.
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Fox missing two consecutive free throws is a sideshow. His abject surrender of responsibility/leadership on the defensive end of the floor is the main act of this theater of the absurd. Every game he's telling McNair to trade him by being a defensive nonentity. Every game he's telling the league, "See, I can score. Trade for me. And I promise that when you trade for me I'll put out the effort on D (that I don't currently do for the sucky Kings)."
It's funny. When Fox is in a position to do so, he's proven he can put his foot in the other teams *** on more than one occasion. Rookie tips a ball and all of a sudden he's the key building block. I can see why some players end up hated in Sac. Expect players like Jason Thompson to become the next Chris Bosh and expect hate to follow when it doesn't go down. But it's on those people for expecting that. Expect the Kings young guys to be the next Lillard or Klay and that's on you. not them.