What’s your Mock?

EIM86 · Jun 25, 2021

I’ve looked up Zaire and i

I’ve warmed up a lot to Zaire. Shot looks clean and he can definitely bulk up to be more solid

The_Jamal · Jun 25, 2021

Pistons-Cade
Rockets-Mobley
Cavs-Green
Raptors-Suggs
Magic-Kuminga
OKC-Barnes
GSW-Mitchell
Orlando-Giddey
Kings-Moody

I think the Magic take a long long look at Giddey as they continue to search for an elite lead playmaker. Fultz looked ok before he got hurt and Anthony had his moments, but I think Giddey finally gives them that lead ball-handler they've been looking for. Scottie Barnes fits their archetype too, but I would be looking to swing for the higher upside scoring option with Kuminga. Kuminga/Giddey/Isaac/WCJ/Hampton/Anthony/Fultz is a pretty solid rebuilding core, even if its kind of mismatched pieces at the moment.

I think it's likely the Warriors trade the pick, but if they stick, I doubt they lean another project after what they went through last year with some Wiseman struggles. Mitchell gives them their bench playmaker they've been missing since Iggy and Livingston left and can get run with both Steph and Klay as a combo guard. I'm sure the Warriors want to get Steph more off-ball touches/sets rather than rely on him for all the creation like they did last season.

Moody is just the exact archetype you need in the NBA in 2021. Huge wingspan, on-ball shot creation, gets to the free-throw line, defensive versatility, ability to space on volume. I'm not sure he's a bonafide "star" in the traditional sense, but I strongly believe he's a high impact starter for 10+ years that contributes to winning. It's exciting to see a 19 year old kid that's already so well-rounded with very few weaknesses in his game.

kb02 · Jun 25, 2021

Reverend said:

Yea, if Giddey is the pick, I would be totally okay with it. I have a few biases when it comes to prospects. I think all skills can be improved, but between ball handling and shooting, it is easier to improve shooting than ball handling. Hence why I tend to favor players who flash advance ball handling. Bouknight (and Giddey) flash advance handling.

kb02 · Jun 25, 2021

The_Jamal said:

I didn't see this during the games that I watched live and don't see much of it on tape. Am I off? Herb Jones was and is a better on-ball shot creator/faciliator in the games that I watched live.

The_Jamal · Jun 25, 2021

kb02 said:

Yeah playmaking, not as much. But I think Moody showed legit shots on on-ball shot creation with a massive FTr (one of my favorite indicators for scoring success at the next level) and an ability to get to the rim. He's not a totally explosive athlete, so it'll be interesting to see how that translates at the next level. In some situations, the lack of explosion got him into trouble. He'll have to continue to use his IQ and craftiness to develop into a good/great playmaker at the next level. But I certainly believe in that ability.

That's where his upside is tied to though. I care more about the defensive versatility and potential volume 3PA spacer ability. I think he could easily be the best defender in the draft and be like a Mikal Bridges type of wing defender with his unreal wingspan. If he develops more of his on-ball creation skills, that's heading into star territory.

kb02 · Jun 25, 2021

The_Jamal said:

Yeah playmaking, not as much. But I think Moody showed legit shots on on-ball shot creation with a massive FTr (one of my favorite indicators for scoring success at the next level) and an ability to get to the rim. He's not a totally explosive athlete, so it'll be interesting to see how that translates at the next level. In some situations, the lack of explosion got him into trouble. He'll have to continue to use his IQ and craftiness to develop into a good/great playmaker at the next level. But I certainly believe in that ability.

That's where his upside is tied to though. I care more about the defensive versatility and potential volume 3PA spacer ability. I think he could easily be the best defender in the draft and be like a Mikal Bridges type of wing defender with his unreal wingspan. If he develops more of his on-ball creation skills, that's heading into star territory.

I actually think his teammate will end up being that:

iowamcnabb · Jun 25, 2021

If Sengun was asked to take threes in Turkey and was hitting them at a 34 percent clip, I wonder if he would be in consideration for top 5? He is a great free throw shooter and his form looks nice so I won’t be surprised if he can hit the three

twslam07 · Jun 25, 2021

I'll do a bit of a variation and provide my Kings big board (vs. guessing where everyone will go):

Cade Cunningham
Jalen Suggs
Jalen Green
Evan Mobley
Jonathan Kuminga
Scottie Barnes
Moses Moody
Ziaire Williams
Franz Wagner

I think people are sleeping on Ziaire Williams to be honest. Wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the better players coming out of this draft class when it's all said and done.

For starters, below are his measurements...

19 year olds
6'8.25" without shoes
6'10.25" wingspan
8'10.5" standing reach
188.4 lbs
10.69 sec Lane Agility (96th percentile)
3.04 sec Shuttle Run (89th percentile)
3.12 sec 3/4 Sprint (63rd percentile)
34.0" Standing Vert (87th percentile)
39.5" Max Vert (84th percentile)

He can score, shoot, handle, pass, & defend. His obvious drawbacks are his weight/strength & finishing at the rim/learning to absorb contact. That said, there's a lot to like about his game when you project it to the next level.

SacTownKid · Jun 25, 2021

twslam07 said:

I'll do a bit of a variation and provide my Kings big board (vs. guessing where everyone will go):

Cade Cunningham
Jalen Suggs
Jalen Green
Evan Mobley
Jonathan Kuminga
Scottie Barnes
Moses Moody
Ziaire Williams
Franz Wagner

I think people are sleeping on Ziaire Williams to be honest. Wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the better players coming out of this draft class when it's all said and done.

For starters, below are his measurements...

19 year olds
6'8.25" without shoes
6'10.25" wingspan
8'10.5" standing reach
188.4 lbs
10.69 sec Lane Agility (96th percentile)
3.04 sec Shuttle Run (89th percentile)
3.12 sec 3/4 Sprint (63rd percentile)
34.0" Standing Vert (87th percentile)
39.5" Max Vert (84th percentile)

He can score, shoot, handle, pass, & defend. His obvious drawbacks are his weight/strength & finishing at the rim/learning to absorb contact. That said, there's a lot to like about his game when you project it to the next level.

If Williams can prove to play SG he could be a very interesting prospect for a team needing that.

EIM86 · Jun 25, 2021

twslam07 said:

I'll do a bit of a variation and provide my Kings big board (vs. guessing where everyone will go):

Cade Cunningham
Jalen Suggs
Jalen Green
Evan Mobley
Jonathan Kuminga
Scottie Barnes
Moses Moody
Ziaire Williams
Franz Wagner

I think people are sleeping on Ziaire Williams to be honest. Wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the better players coming out of this draft class when it's all said and done.

For starters, below are his measurements...

19 year olds
6'8.25" without shoes
6'10.25" wingspan
8'10.5" standing reach
188.4 lbs
10.69 sec Lane Agility (96th percentile)
3.04 sec Shuttle Run (89th percentile)
3.12 sec 3/4 Sprint (63rd percentile)
34.0" Standing Vert (87th percentile)
39.5" Max Vert (84th percentile)

He can score, shoot, handle, pass, & defend. His obvious drawbacks are his weight/strength & finishing at the rim/learning to absorb contact. That said, there's a lot to like about his game when you project it to the next level.

I heard at the combine he measured taller. Williams is my pick

Capt. Factorial · Jun 25, 2021

twslam07 said:

Yeah, he's really skinny and his outside shot really, really didn't fall this year (but it looked really smooth when it did). But he's super quick and his passing is top notch for his size/position. I don't really know enough about his defense, I do worry given his weight but he probably won't be asked to play D in the paint much. Bottom line, he's a development project to some extent, probably won't help out much next year but could pay off big down the road. I'd be game, if that's the way we go.

twslam07 · Jun 25, 2021

EIM86 said:

These are combine measurements.

I didn't list his 'Height With Shoes' because I feel like 'Height Without Shoes' puts everyone on the same playing field. Sometimes you get guys wearing shoes that give them more height.

That being said, his Height With Shoes is 6'9.75"

jiimbob · Jun 25, 2021

Ziare has a massively long neck and big hair, wondering if that makes a difference . Regardless, I will watch more on him as understand he’s good mates with Tyrese so could be good chemestry.

EIM86 · Jun 25, 2021

jiimbob said:

yah I saw on Twitter Ty is already mentoring him. I hope he’s got Vivek/McNairs ear to draft him

macadocious · Jun 25, 2021

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dude12 · Jun 25, 2021

Ziaire Williams shot 37% from the floor and under 30 % from 3.

sactowndog · Jun 25, 2021

dude12 said:

right but we also know he was growing. I think 9 is too soon for him but his .796 free throw rate is probably more indicative of his shooting prowess.

sactowndog · Jun 25, 2021

twslam07 said:

if you really want Zaire I would try to trade 9 to OKC for 16 and 18 and get Zaire and Usman.

sactowndog · Jun 25, 2021

So if you care what the Pro’s think you would have the following: Wagner (2), Sengun (2), K Johnson (2), Jalen Johnson (2), Kai Jones (1), Moses Moody (1)

our genius beat writers have
Jason Jones: Davion Jones
James Ham: Moses Moody

In other words no one has a ****ing clue.....

https://www.nba.com/news/2021-consensus-mock-draft

MOCK DRAFTS
ESPN.com - Jonathan Givony
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Green
3. Evan Mobley
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Davion Mitchell
8. Keon Johnson
9. Franz Wagner
10. Corey Kispert
11. Isaiah Jackson
12. Jalen Johnson
13. Josh Giddey
14. James Bouknight

Last updated: June 22

The Ringer - Kevin O’Connor
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Suggs
4. Jalen Green
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Keon Johnson
7. Davion Mitchell
8. Franz Wagner
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Kai Jones
11. Scottie Barnes
12. Jalen Johnson
13. Corey Kispert
14. Josh Giddey

Last updated: June 23

The Athletic (Sam Vecenie)
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. James Bouknight
8. Josh Giddey
9. Keon Johnson
10. Franz Wagner
11. Moses Moody
12. Alperen Sengun
13. Davion Mitchell
14. Usman Garuba

Last updated: June 23

SI.com - Jeremy Woo
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Davion Mitchell
8. James Bouknight
9. Franz Wagner
10. Keon Johnson
11. Corey Kispert
12. Alperen Sengun
13. Josh Giddey
14. Jalen Johnson

Last updated: June 23

Yahoo Sports - Krysten Peek
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Green
3. Evan Mobley
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Davion Mitchell
8. Keon Johnson
9. Kai Jones
10. Josh Giddey
11. Corey Kispert
12. James Bouknight
13. Moses Moody
14. Jalen Johnson

Last updated: June 23

Bleacher Report - Jonathan Wasserman
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Suggs
4. Jalen Green
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Franz Wagner
8. Davion Mitchell
9. Jalen Johnson
10. Keon Johnson
11. Moses Moody
12. Josh Giddey
13. James Bouknight
14. Corey Kispert

Last updated: June 22

NetScouts Basketball - Carl Berman
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Keon Johnson
8. Franz Wagner
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Davion Mitchell
11. Isaiah Jackson
12. Moses Moody
13. Josh Giddey
14. Corey Kispert

Last updated: May 10

CBS Sports (Kyle Boone, Gary Parrish)
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Suggs
3. Evan Mobley
4. Jalen Green
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Davion Mitchell
8. Moses Moody
9. Keon Johnson
10. Tre Mann
11. Josh Giddey
12. Isaiah Jackson
13. Franz Wagner
14. Alperen Sengun

Last updated: June 23

SB Nation - Ricky O’Donnell
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Scottie Barnes
6. Jonathan Kuminga
7. Jalen Johnson
8. Keon Johnson
9. Moses Moody
10. James Bouknight
11. Franz Wagner
12. Jaden Springer
13. Davion Mitchell
14. Josh Giddey

Last updated: June 22

USA Today (Scott Gleeson, Bryan Kalbrosky)
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. James Bouknight
8. Jaden Springer
9. Jalen Johnson
10. Davion Mitchell
11. Usman Garuba
12. Josh Giddey
13. Moses Moody
14. Cameron Thomas

Last updated: June 22

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steelevt · Jun 25, 2021

I feel after first 5 maybe 6 If you count Barnes, all the guys that are mocked to us are in that second tier. It’s not surprising to see one of wagner, moody, sengun, giddey , or both Johnsons etc next to the kings since 7-14 are very similar in most mock drafts just the order is different. If we keep the pick, unless we have another haliburton slide, this is where monte will prove his worth.

jiimbob · Jun 25, 2021

sactowndog said:

I’ve also thought about this and I hated from the very moment Vlade pulled a similar move in 2017. This draft is a bit different though with perceived depth and would love to pick up Garuba, just not sure if 9 is a little high for him.

Turgenev · Jun 25, 2021

jiimbob said:

I would like Garuba as well. Re my enthusiasm for a trade - it really depends who is available. Someone could fall to 9.

Capt. Factorial · Jun 26, 2021

sactowndog said:

I'm beginning to doubt Ziaire lasts to 16, but hey, I could be wrong.

bajaden · Jun 26, 2021

Folsomkingsfan said:

Why? Just curious.

sactowndog · Jun 26, 2021

Capt. Factorial said:

Heck, I’m almost certain I’m wrong. I don’t remember a draft with this much uncertainty.

bajaden · Jun 26, 2021

Turgenev said:

I'm amazed how this whole thing with Johnson leaving early got blown up into a huge thing. People need to remember that Johnson was recovering from an injury and hadn't been playing. By the time he was ready to get back on the floor, he had been replaced in the lineup by another player, who was playing well within the team concept. Coach K suggested and encouraged Johnson to go and start preparing for the draft, as did his teammates. He was well liked by Coach K, who praised him, and was well liked by his teammates. I found no indication what so ever that he was some kind of head case.

I personally have put that crap to bed as far as Johnson is concerned, and I'm judging him purely on his basketball ability. Of Moody, Wagner, and Johnson, I think Johnson has the most question marks, but also the most unique skills and the most upside. Both Moody and Wagner are solid all around players who can't miss in my opinion, but Johnson has the best chance to be a star, especially if he proves he can shoot from the perimeter. All three should and hopefully will be very good defenders.

Johnson is a very good athlete with unique passing skills and a great feel for the game. He has great size and length and is a very good rebounder. He can play either forward position. The Kings need players with athleticism and length. I know of no one that has criticized Johnson's play on the floor. I would hate to think that my future, or your future would be determined by something I did or said when I was 18 or 19 years old. We have to remember that he's still a kid. I was one of the stupidest people in the world when I was 18. Some would suggest that I still am.

bajaden · Jun 26, 2021

Well here's my uneducated guess at the top 14.

1. Pistons: Cade Cunningham (No brainer! I'd be shocked if they passed on him)
2. Rockets: Jalen Green (I think the Rockets are looking for star power, and Green is likely to be a star)
3. Cav's: Evan Mobley (I've heard rumors that they might be willing to move that pick)
4. Raptors: Jalen Suggs (Perfect fit on the Raptors who find their long term PG)
5. Magic: Scottie Barnes (The Magic need some magic, and Barnes is likely to bring it, and if he can shoot, they have a superstar)
6. Thunder: Jonathan Kuminga (Kuminga will take some time, and the Thunder are rebuilding, so they have the time to develop him)
7. Warriors: James Bouknight (The Warriors need someone that can back up Curry now more than later, and Bouknight can do that)
8. Magic: Moses Moody (Sadly, I don't see the Magic passing on Moody. Hope I'm wrong)
9. Kings: Jalen Johnson (He has to prove he can shoot from the outside with confidence. If so, the Kings got one of the best in the draft)
10. Pelicans: Keon Johnson (I think he could slide even farther, but he has a very high ceiling, so I see him about here)
11. Hornets: Franz Wagner (The Hornets need defense, and scoring, and mostly smart players. Wagner fits well here)
12. Spurs: Alperen Sengun (He's the type of player the Spurs love)
13. Pacers: Kai Jones (He's a better fit next to Sabonis than Turner, and makes Turner irrelevant and tradable)
14. Warriors: Corey Kispert (Can you think of a better fit for Kispert than the Warriors. If not Kispert, then likely Chris Duarte. Both can shoot, and are ready to play now)

Dongoodboy · Jun 26, 2021

Jalen Johnson

bajaden said:

I'm amazed how this whole thing with Johnson leaving early got blown up into a huge thing. People need to remember that Johnson was recovering from an injury and hadn't been playing. By the time he was ready to get back on the floor, he had been replaced in the lineup by another player, who was playing well within the team concept. Coach K suggested and encouraged Johnson to go and start preparing for the draft, as did his teammates. He was well liked by Coach K, who praised him, and was well liked by his teammates. I found no indication what so ever that he was some kind of head case.

I personally have put that crap to bed as far as Johnson is concerned, and I'm judging him purely on his basketball ability. Of Moody, Wagner, and Johnson, I think Johnson has the most question marks, but also the most unique skills and the most upside. Both Moody and Wagner are solid all around players who can't miss in my opinion, but Johnson has the best chance to be a star, especially if he proves he can shoot from the perimeter. All three should and hopefully will be very good defenders.

Johnson is a very good athlete with unique passing skills and a great feel for the game. He has great size and length and is a very good rebounder. He can play either forward position. The Kings need players with athleticism and length. I know of no one that has criticized Johnson's play on the floor. I would hate to think that my future, or your future would be determined by something I did or said when I was 18 or 19 years old. We have to remember that he's still a kid. I was one of the stupidest people in the world when I was 18. Some would suggest that I still am.

Yeah Monte McNair will need to do his due diligence on Jalen Johnson but I start to like the idea of drafting him.

funkykingston · Jun 27, 2021

bajaden said:

I think that's a really solid mock for the lottery. I could also see the Warriors taking Mitchell at 7 for an NBA ready backup for Curry.

But Kispert at 14 would be a solid fit, especially if they aren't able to re-sign Oubre.

If Jalen Johnson displays a much improved outside shot during the draft process (and can answer the questions GMs will obviously have for him) he may not make it to #9.

But if he does he's a good fit with Fox & Haliburton on a team that wants to play fast and run the floor. He's also an underrated defender IMO.

AMR42700 · Jun 27, 2021

EIM86 said:

Bobby Gerould had Tyrese as the second best player in the 2020 draft.

He has Jalen Johnson #3 in 2021

That makes me think he should be the pick. He has an excellent track record with the draft, and of course recently with Tyrese so I am ok w Jalen Johnson now.

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