[Game] Kings vs. Nuggets, 2/6/21, 2pm PST, 5pm EST
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True, but fans on here have shown the same impatience with a lot of young players over the years, many of which weren't high lottery picks. Fans just tend to want results right away or try to move them for something else. I'm sure this doesn't just pertain to King's fans. I just don't spend a lot of time on other team's forums.
The thing that has sorta changed here though is that the Kings surprisingly might be in a better position to make some noise now than initially thought and Bagley for better or worse is still the rawest player on the team that’s not Ramsey. He shows flashes and is definitely not a T-Rob-style bust but he’s probably still a couple of years away from really really taking off especially with the lost development time thanks to the injuries last year.
meanwhile the Kings are suddenly looking like they’re a piece or two away from making a little late-season noise and Haliburton is rocketing up the role call sheet from role player guy to tall CP3 faster than anyone could have thought/anticipated.
I mean, unless Tyrese is never going to improve at all, he’s already hit that initial “Elite Role Player” ceiling that pundits were talking about during the draft process that lowered his value somehow. His emergence as a potential bonafide second star completely changes the duration and desperation of Monte’s initial rebuild process.
Before the season it was “hopefully Bagley develops into that second good player or we rank and get a super high pick or else we’re screwed” but now it’s more like “find pieces that work around Fox and Rese and Holmes”
meanwhile the Kings are suddenly looking like they’re a piece or two away from making a little late-season noise and Haliburton is rocketing up the role call sheet from role player guy to tall CP3 faster than anyone could have thought/anticipated.
I mean, unless Tyrese is never going to improve at all, he’s already hit that initial “Elite Role Player” ceiling that pundits were talking about during the draft process that lowered his value somehow. His emergence as a potential bonafide second star completely changes the duration and desperation of Monte’s initial rebuild process.
Before the season it was “hopefully Bagley develops into that second good player or we rank and get a super high pick or else we’re screwed” but now it’s more like “find pieces that work around Fox and Rese and Holmes”
Ok play him straight up but when you double team or help, double team and help hard......the soft double teams were ineffective, and noticeably so.
"Rather go for 40""?...... Take some defensive pride and foul out even if necessary - look at Bagley - a poor game offensively and 1 foul. He's a better athlete than Jokic - take some defensive pride! Bagley should've been guarding him until fouling out.. Their not using him much in the 2nd half anyway. A great chance to work on defense, and he only defended him sporadically. Rmarkably Bagley and Hield go a combined 2-17 and the Kings still win - that's how well the other 4 players did on offense - 4 players for 20+ points.
"Rather go for 40""?...... Take some defensive pride and foul out even if necessary - look at Bagley - a poor game offensively and 1 foul. He's a better athlete than Jokic - take some defensive pride! Bagley should've been guarding him until fouling out.. Their not using him much in the 2nd half anyway. A great chance to work on defense, and he only defended him sporadically. Rmarkably Bagley and Hield go a combined 2-17 and the Kings still win - that's how well the other 4 players did on offense - 4 players for 20+ points.
Any guys that show any amount of promise we generally stick with too. As far as I remember, McBen was frustrating, but wasn’t universally despised and wished away despite being subpar for season after season. We were ride or die with HGIII.
I’m trying to think of guys the fanbase actively disliked or didn’t give a chance to. It’s guys who don’t try (Sup Willie) or Vlade Special Awful Trades (Sup Swanigan or Burks) or Vlade Special Awful Picks (Sup PapaG and Bagley)
I’m trying to think of guys the fanbase actively disliked or didn’t give a chance to. It’s guys who don’t try (Sup Willie) or Vlade Special Awful Trades (Sup Swanigan or Burks) or Vlade Special Awful Picks (Sup PapaG and Bagley)
I don't watch the Blazers right now unless they are playing the Kings - too much effort since I've dumped youtube tv last year, so I checked the stats and he is averaging less minutes per game than he did with us. His numbers are down across the board and not just in an adjusted way. I really do wish him well but moving on was the right call here.
Well, it worked!
And while he ended up with 50, a nice portion came with the game basically in hand. He hit a garbage 3 off the backboard in the final minute too.
Per usual, I counted at least 6 plays where he shuffles or drags his feet after moving his pivot foot. Some think that’s no big deal, but it surely helps get to places on the floor he wouldn’t get to otherwise. Also had a blatant hook on Whiteside for another basket.
Very good player, but much of it is manufactured.
And while he ended up with 50, a nice portion came with the game basically in hand. He hit a garbage 3 off the backboard in the final minute too.
Per usual, I counted at least 6 plays where he shuffles or drags his feet after moving his pivot foot. Some think that’s no big deal, but it surely helps get to places on the floor he wouldn’t get to otherwise. Also had a blatant hook on Whiteside for another basket.
Very good player, but much of it is manufactured.
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currently we play with 3 bigs - holmes, hassan and bagley. barnes plays PF minutes, GRIII too.
there's a room for a another big, or better, a SF/PF tweener.
our smallball works pretty fine.
but bagley needs his 20-25 minutes per game. we need to know what is capable of, potential is there but he lacks experience and maturity. usually, you need to wait longer for a rookie bigs to develop. and I'm pretty fine with his absence in a last quarter, he can get traumatized if he does something dumb in a crunch time.
so let's wait till the end of a season.
there's a room for a another big, or better, a SF/PF tweener.
our smallball works pretty fine.
but bagley needs his 20-25 minutes per game. we need to know what is capable of, potential is there but he lacks experience and maturity. usually, you need to wait longer for a rookie bigs to develop. and I'm pretty fine with his absence in a last quarter, he can get traumatized if he does something dumb in a crunch time.
so let's wait till the end of a season.
I understand what you are saying, but it would greatly depend on what we got in return. I think it is way too early to give up on a talent like Bagley. However, if we were able to trade Buddy & Bagley for Bradley Beal (doubt Washington would do this), then I pull the trigger in a heartbeat. If we were trading Bagley for Bamba & a future pick, then I would have to pass.
I agree with you that trading Bagley in a rush would be ill advised. The only way I move Bagley to better position ourselves for a run this year is for a Vucevic or Randle type player.
However I am totally on board with just making the playoffs. 14 straight years of the lottery, I don’t think we need to worry about messing up our shot at a championship.
One or two more draft pieces, a defensive role player free agent and continued development of Fox and Ty and we have a competitive team for years to come
However I am totally on board with just making the playoffs. 14 straight years of the lottery, I don’t think we need to worry about messing up our shot at a championship.
One or two more draft pieces, a defensive role player free agent and continued development of Fox and Ty and we have a competitive team for years to come
True. Let me put it this way. Monte thinned out the front court tremendously. It's a 3 man rotation at this point and I would have to think that was intentional. To actively shop Bagley would be giving up on him way too early, when that was not the intent to start the season.
As far as trading for a superstar, that requires breaking the bank. All players on the Kings at that point are tradeable and that is not a "moving on" from Bagley situation.
As far as trading for a superstar, that requires breaking the bank. All players on the Kings at that point are tradeable and that is not a "moving on" from Bagley situation.
Jokic is a great athlete, otherwise he does not get 50/12/8. Don't be afraid to say the words.
Bagley is an enigma at this point with crappy defense.
Meanwhile the other Kings are playing great. Fox, Haliburton, Barnes and Holmes are like the Four Horsemen.
Hield may be able to continue to emerge as a more complete player since some teams have really clamped down on him defensively. The Kings have some decent role players. Whiteside gets some good minutes, Robinson does. Joseph I am not so sure about.
Recognize the contributions made by the coaching staff, Coach Luke in particular. It may Coach Rex that has had more to do with the turn around than anyone else.
Bagley is an enigma at this point with crappy defense.
Meanwhile the other Kings are playing great. Fox, Haliburton, Barnes and Holmes are like the Four Horsemen.
Hield may be able to continue to emerge as a more complete player since some teams have really clamped down on him defensively. The Kings have some decent role players. Whiteside gets some good minutes, Robinson does. Joseph I am not so sure about.
Recognize the contributions made by the coaching staff, Coach Luke in particular. It may Coach Rex that has had more to do with the turn around than anyone else.
Hield is in a dryp patch right now, but I think he will find it, and he's finding ways to contribute not shooting......I dont know if I'd trade Hield and Bagley for Beal......Bagley is a wild card - its a bit of a gamble as Bagley is still so young. In the short timeframe it sounds like a good trade, but a gamble on the medium to long term. Walton seems content to cut Bagley development minutes more as the Kings are winning without him.
If I'm playing devils advocate here, I think people see Ball as a Haliburton type. Worse shooting efficiency, better rebounder and defender. He can rack up 6 assists without the ball being in his hands for very long, so he's very anti CoJo in that manner. He moves the ball quick just like Haliburton does. He's also come around as a 3 point shooter. Currently shooting the same percentage as Fox but he takes a couple more per game.
Acquiring Ball could mean squeezing CoJo out of the rotation, which is a good thing at this point in his career. It would also allow the Kings to run a Fox, Hali, Ball, Barnes, Holmes lineup that would also squeeze Bagley and Hield's minutes. So you would be essentially limiting the minutes of the 3 worst players on the Kings this year in favor for a slightly above average player. It could potentially work.
Acquiring Ball could mean squeezing CoJo out of the rotation, which is a good thing at this point in his career. It would also allow the Kings to run a Fox, Hali, Ball, Barnes, Holmes lineup that would also squeeze Bagley and Hield's minutes. So you would be essentially limiting the minutes of the 3 worst players on the Kings this year in favor for a slightly above average player. It could potentially work.
