[The Athletic] Kings request permission to interview candidates for head of basketball operations
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I specifically referenced one.
Its more about timing than anything. Perry was poached AFTER the draft and FA period. Imagine your #2 FO personnel person is leaving to another team with full knowledge of your draft board and season scouting. You are not going to let that go without getting something in return because odds are the Kings are picking ahead of the departing team and all that knowledge transfers over.
Its more about timing than anything. Perry was poached AFTER the draft and FA period. Imagine your #2 FO personnel person is leaving to another team with full knowledge of your draft board and season scouting. You are not going to let that go without getting something in return because odds are the Kings are picking ahead of the departing team and all that knowledge transfers over.
I wonder if the issue here is semantics. Perry was our #2 because our GM is the top decision maker. Other teams have a VP of basketball operations as the top decision maker, making the GM the #2. The more precise question is whether teams have received compensation for letting their front office #2 go, and as you note there is precedent.
I would think a similar compensation, of one (or maybe two at most) 2nd round picks as compensation for poaching the #2 FO guy from a team.
Regardless of being before or after a draft, it's a bad look for any team to hold their FO guy hostage if they were offered a higher level position with more power and better pay with another team. I'm sure compensation will be needed, but I don't think anything too outrageous would be required.
Regardless of being before or after a draft, it's a bad look for any team to hold their FO guy hostage if they were offered a higher level position with more power and better pay with another team. I'm sure compensation will be needed, but I don't think anything too outrageous would be required.
Valid points. I don't think it'll be a first though. First, the Kings are not in position to give a first and second, almost every team that poaches another team's #2 is going to be drafting in the lottery. Outside of a legendary GM like Jerry West, don't see the NBA forcing a lottery team to give up their pick to hire a GM, much less a #2.
That's true - but I don't think it's holding hostage to say they can't start until after the draft. Which is why I expected like the Perry situation we'd make the hire official after the draft.
I'm a little worried that if we really want someone right away it pushes us more towards someone like Wilcox who has a few red flags.
I'm a little worried that if we really want someone right away it pushes us more towards someone like Wilcox who has a few red flags.
Here is the thing about making the other team wait for a F.O. guy (i.e. until after the draft). There is no guarentee that the Kings would wait. The Kings may chose to go with someone else, if the team does not allow their #2 to leave before the draft, when the job is offered. Plus, the compensation the Kings are willing to offer the other team may change also (i.e. Vlade's trade of DMC).
If the Kings go in another direction, because they want a GM in place by the draft, that #2 F.O. guy that was passed over becomes a disgruntled employee for his current team, because he just lost a lot of money and the opportunity of a lifetime to lead his own team.
If the Kings go in another direction, because they want a GM in place by the draft, that #2 F.O. guy that was passed over becomes a disgruntled employee for his current team, because he just lost a lot of money and the opportunity of a lifetime to lead his own team.
But this isn't filling a front desk receptionist when your phones are ringing off the hook and you just need a body. These guys likely will have other opportunities not just one crack. And for the Kings, if they have to wait a few extra weeks to get their #1, they'd be foolish to pick someone else because of that. Everybody understands the proprietary information at play here too. The other option would be a gentleman's agreement that certain players the team are scouting are off limits. That is a huge lose for the Kings in the event that player was also on their board.
Again look at Perry - I'm sure NYK had eyed him for a while, and a deal was in the works, but he had to wait.
My prediction is if we hire before the draft the guy we have will underwhelm most of the posters here. I will be very happy to be wrong.
Again look at Perry - I'm sure NYK had eyed him for a while, and a deal was in the works, but he had to wait.
My prediction is if we hire before the draft the guy we have will underwhelm most of the posters here. I will be very happy to be wrong.
I would agree that it would be best to get your #1 choice.
But, it is the threat that the Kings may look elsewhere, that helps gets a deal done sooner, rather than later. If the Kings go in willing to wait and the other team knows it, then they won't get their man when they need them most, before the draft.
As for Scott Perry timeline, the Knicks still had Phil Jackson as GM until after the 2017 NBA draft. Phil Jackson didn't resign until after the NBA draft. The Knicks weren't in the market for a new GM until after the draft.
But, it is the threat that the Kings may look elsewhere, that helps gets a deal done sooner, rather than later. If the Kings go in willing to wait and the other team knows it, then they won't get their man when they need them most, before the draft.
As for Scott Perry timeline, the Knicks still had Phil Jackson as GM until after the 2017 NBA draft. Phil Jackson didn't resign until after the NBA draft. The Knicks weren't in the market for a new GM until after the draft.
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Just Dukies! 
Don't know if this has been posted or not, but maybe this will help. https://kingsherald.com/articles/kings-gm-candidate-profile-sachin-gupta/
A good read on him and I get he is an analytics guy. If his specialty is designing deals around picks and salaries and value that is all fine but will it lead to obtaining vets or younger guys we can build a better core? Is he a talent identifier or a numbers/data guy? The Wiggins deal was interesting. But the Saric plus 1.11 pick to get Culver.....I don’t know about that
The rumor, or the word is that the G-League will become more of a minor league system that resembles baseball's minor league system. The idea being that a team will be able to develop and protect all the players on it's G- league team. The hold up was, and to the best of my knowledge no longer is, that not every NBA team owned a G-League team, and therefore that move couldn't be made until that was remedied. I believe that every team how owns a G-League team. Don't bet money on it......
With that in mind, 2nd rd picks would suddenly become more valuable. Matter of fact there was another rumor that the league might go back to adding a 3rd rd to the draft. The problem was or is, is that no one knew for sure when that change would happen. At the end of the current CBA, or through negotiations between the League and the players association. So some teams started stock pilling 2nd rd picks in case. The Kings aren't the only team to do so. I'm sure the virus threw a monkey wrench into those plans to some degree as well.
With that in mind, 2nd rd picks would suddenly become more valuable. Matter of fact there was another rumor that the league might go back to adding a 3rd rd to the draft. The problem was or is, is that no one knew for sure when that change would happen. At the end of the current CBA, or through negotiations between the League and the players association. So some teams started stock pilling 2nd rd picks in case. The Kings aren't the only team to do so. I'm sure the virus threw a monkey wrench into those plans to some degree as well.
When he went to Minny, he and the current GM cleaned house, and mostly of veteran players and decided to build everything around their star Towns. They somehow moved salaries that most people thought were unmovable. Yeah, Wiggins was one of those, but there were three or four others that were on over-payed contracts.
In a four team deal they traded Jordan Bell and Robert Covington to the Rockets and they sent Keita Bates-Diop, Shabazz Napier, and Noah Vonleh to the Nuggets for Malik Beasley, Jaun Hermangomez and Jarred Vanderbilt. From the Hawks they received Evan Turner who was on an expiring contract and a 2020 1st rd pick.
They traded Andrew Wiggins and a top three protected 2021 1st rd pick for D'Angelo Russell and Omari Spellman.
In a three team deal they sent Gorgui Dieng to the Grizzlies and Treveon Graham and Jeff Teague to the Hawks receiving James Johnson from the Heat and Allen Crabbe, whose on an expiring contract from the Hawks.
As a result, they went from from $132,547,644.00 in guaranteed money to $75,324,395.00 in guaranteed money. A savings of $57,223,249.00.
Almost all the players that they received back were young players and of the three oldest, James Johnson, Allen Crabbe, and Evan Turner, only Johnson has guaranteed money for next season and it's his option. So all in all, not bad moves.
In a four team deal they traded Jordan Bell and Robert Covington to the Rockets and they sent Keita Bates-Diop, Shabazz Napier, and Noah Vonleh to the Nuggets for Malik Beasley, Jaun Hermangomez and Jarred Vanderbilt. From the Hawks they received Evan Turner who was on an expiring contract and a 2020 1st rd pick.
They traded Andrew Wiggins and a top three protected 2021 1st rd pick for D'Angelo Russell and Omari Spellman.
In a three team deal they sent Gorgui Dieng to the Grizzlies and Treveon Graham and Jeff Teague to the Hawks receiving James Johnson from the Heat and Allen Crabbe, whose on an expiring contract from the Hawks.
As a result, they went from from $132,547,644.00 in guaranteed money to $75,324,395.00 in guaranteed money. A savings of $57,223,249.00.
Almost all the players that they received back were young players and of the three oldest, James Johnson, Allen Crabbe, and Evan Turner, only Johnson has guaranteed money for next season and it's his option. So all in all, not bad moves.
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thanks. Been trying to read up on all these guys, and Gupta in particular based on the praise being given. Seems like a really bright guy, I just worry about the talent evaluation part. TBH, and this has nothing to do with him being Indian, he reminds me of Paraag Marathe with the skill sets he brings to the table, but I would not trust Paraag scouting talent
Well Morey gives him full credit for bringing Harden to the Rockets from the Thunder, and he certainly recognized what a talent Harden was. Easy to say that it was an easy thing to see, but at the time the Thunder didn't know what they had in Harden, and when I proposed the Kings try and trade for him, I was told he was nothing but a chucker. Hind sight is a 100% as they say.
ha. I was skeptical of him out of ASU, but by his 2nd year In OKC I was sold. Now whether I thought he’d be this good is another story lol
And see these are the examples I was looking for. Out of the 5-6 articles I’ve read on him I’ve only see the Kings trade and the HOU/NYK trade linked definitively to him
And see these are the examples I was looking for. Out of the 5-6 articles I’ve read on him I’ve only see the Kings trade and the HOU/NYK trade linked definitively to him
I mean, if Gupta is hired, do you need to retain Catanella? Or is Catanella’s skill set different from Gupta? If you hire Gupta, he has to find his Simon or Booth....a guy who is really good at identifying talent.
Go back to the good old days, Petrie was the talent identifier and he got Adelman what Coach needed. Not sure if he was a cap whiz or anything like that but he got us talent.
Go back to the good old days, Petrie was the talent identifier and he got Adelman what Coach needed. Not sure if he was a cap whiz or anything like that but he got us talent.
The size of market is irrelevant. To solely look at population and industry is myopic. They have all of that and it doesn’t matter from a basketball operations perspective. Toronto doesn’t get free agents. They lose their players to more attractive cities. Thus, they need to wisely evaluate talent, draft well, and trade when opportunity presents itself. It’s exactly what Sacramento needs to do because the top tier free agents won’t even look at us.
Also, I recommend checking your ego and showing humility when replying to a post. You come off as a jerk. I voiced surprise that a team that I found similar in operational philosophy wasn’t represented. That’s not irrelevant. I’m guessing many would agree with me. I don’t care if you do, not do I care for a retort. I just hope you consider it and do better.
Also, I recommend checking your ego and showing humility when replying to a post. You come off as a jerk. I voiced surprise that a team that I found similar in operational philosophy wasn’t represented. That’s not irrelevant. I’m guessing many would agree with me. I don’t care if you do, not do I care for a retort. I just hope you consider it and do better.
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