[The Athletic] Dumars has no interest in being the long-term head of basketball operations, and will not be a candidate in the search.
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Search firms, if used properly, can be gold. They vet candidates, helps owners/management fine tune their message, identify what they really need, give PR cover, price point salaries/compensation/demands...
That said, Vivek still needs to listen to the search firms recommendations. That is certainly not a sure thing.
That said, Vivek still needs to listen to the search firms recommendations. That is certainly not a sure thing.
yeah I don't get what Dumars' purpose is. Either give him the reins, or let him go and let the hired sports firm find the new GM. I can understand that we need someone to see over the draft and free agency, but then make it clear Dumars will do this and then leave once the new GM is hired. Anyone who would want the GM job must be thinking the same to themselves about Dumars. Its a potential problem.
Just reading up a bit on Matina, sorry but I don’t think shes going anywhere. Brought in originally by Petrie to help facilitate getting Peja out of his contract in Greece, Matina is well connected.
In a league that is perceived starved of female influence, it’s not likely an organisation like the Kings which prides itself in correctness and innovation would risk letting her go. Anyways as I knew little about her and since she has been mentioned in recent discussions thought I would read up. No explanation though of her clout within the organisation.
In a league that is perceived starved of female influence, it’s not likely an organisation like the Kings which prides itself in correctness and innovation would risk letting her go. Anyways as I knew little about her and since she has been mentioned in recent discussions thought I would read up. No explanation though of her clout within the organisation.
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Something doesn’t add up. The reason vlade quit/stepped down/got fired/ whatever is because they wanted to take away some of his responsibilities/reduced role and he didn’t want to. I assumed Dumars would have been given those responsibilities but now it states he doesn’t want it or he would have no authority over the new gm. So what gives.
Nope it doesn't. You have to figure that Dumars was on board with the greater responsibility before they went to Vlade. And if it was just to get rid of Vlade, that is just bush league. I have to wonder how Dumars feels right now. Used? Done dirty? It doesn't look good in any light and this looks even worse.
Sam talked about it, saying that he thought it would be a dream job but ultimately was never let off the leash of the FO and it turned sour.
I supposed (not saying you, I guess) sometimes doing just headline reading is about as well as window shopping.
It's also funny to see all of you GMs out there not having a job managing a team anywhere and just sit here in front of your monitor and keyboard criticizing every little move with zero credibility or even source sometimes. Just going on a hunch.
I supposed (not saying you, I guess) sometimes doing just headline reading is about as well as window shopping.
It's also funny to see all of you GMs out there not having a job managing a team anywhere and just sit here in front of your monitor and keyboard criticizing every little move with zero credibility or even source sometimes. Just going on a hunch.
You’re throwing a lot of assumptions out.
First, I haven’t read anything that addresses the questions that I posed. Second, I haven’t watched nor listened to the Amick interview. It’s easier to read articles than to listen to a full interview bcz I’m juggling work plus a newborn. Third, saying he wants to leave NYK because of a lack of freedom doesn’t address his performance nor the other obvious issue—Vivek ain’t going to be giving him free reign either.
Look at my posts. And those of others. As it relates to Perry, none of us are professing to be qualified to know whether he is good. We’re questioning the reasons for why he is so awesome—signing retread vets, getting Fox to show up for a workout, n having league connections are head scratching examples of his awesomeness. Show us performance, finding and developing diamonds in the rough when he was the man—if you’re going to be putting out major spin jobs about his awesomeness. Until we see relevant evidence or until the PR campaign ends, questioning why he is so awesome is fair.
First, I haven’t read anything that addresses the questions that I posed. Second, I haven’t watched nor listened to the Amick interview. It’s easier to read articles than to listen to a full interview bcz I’m juggling work plus a newborn. Third, saying he wants to leave NYK because of a lack of freedom doesn’t address his performance nor the other obvious issue—Vivek ain’t going to be giving him free reign either.
Look at my posts. And those of others. As it relates to Perry, none of us are professing to be qualified to know whether he is good. We’re questioning the reasons for why he is so awesome—signing retread vets, getting Fox to show up for a workout, n having league connections are head scratching examples of his awesomeness. Show us performance, finding and developing diamonds in the rough when he was the man—if you’re going to be putting out major spin jobs about his awesomeness. Until we see relevant evidence or until the PR campaign ends, questioning why he is so awesome is fair.
That would be the simplest solution.
I have a fair grasp what her job should entail as COO, and from what I have read she is successful at it.
I also read the Pete Youngman tweets which implied she has influence into hiring firing and basketball decisions as well as some posters opinions on this. I don’t know, but do know something aint working here in Sacramento so hopefully the latest events purge this team of more than just GM dysfunction.
I have a fair grasp what her job should entail as COO, and from what I have read she is successful at it.
I also read the Pete Youngman tweets which implied she has influence into hiring firing and basketball decisions as well as some posters opinions on this. I don’t know, but do know something aint working here in Sacramento so hopefully the latest events purge this team of more than just GM dysfunction.
There is also the thing that Perry being the front runner partly because of his relationship with Dumars. With the status of Dumars going forward unclear, I'm not sure if that relationship is even a factor one way or the other.
I trust the PR spin related to the Kings less than I trust the daily news cycle. And that is a really, really low bar to fit under.
I trust the PR spin related to the Kings less than I trust the daily news cycle. And that is a really, really low bar to fit under.
Honestly, this is the best news we could have hoped for. Lets hope the messaging clears up with this firm. Most of the top candidates would not be willing to take the job without final say. This removes that unknown. The Matina not being involved in basketball ops is huge too. For that to be said publicly means enough of that has been floating around it needed to be addressed. The last straw is some final clarity to what Dumars involvement is. If he is the Jerry West sage advice veteran great, if he is a looming figure that will cause Vivek and Co. to second guess every decision, then bad.
I am concerned we won't have enough $$$ to fill out the FO. There has already been a cash call on the ownership group. I cant imagine there won't be another.
I am concerned we won't have enough $$$ to fill out the FO. There has already been a cash call on the ownership group. I cant imagine there won't be another.
Did Scott Perry sign 50 PFs to the Knicks this year or did Steve Mills sign them? Basketball reference lists them under Mills.
Perry's only transaction according to reference is trading Marcus Morris to the Clips for Harkless and a 2020 and 2021 1st round draft pick.
Those are the types of moves the Kings should be making.
Perry's only transaction according to reference is trading Marcus Morris to the Clips for Harkless and a 2020 and 2021 1st round draft pick.
Those are the types of moves the Kings should be making.
Mills was President. Perry was GM. Here’s one dude’s opinion:
https://nypost.com/2019/12/06/knicks-also-must-fire-steve-mills-and-scott-perry/
https://nypost.com/2019/12/06/knicks-also-must-fire-steve-mills-and-scott-perry/
And another: https://theknickswall.com/knicks-po...recapping-demise-steve-mills-scott-perry-era/
And another: https://www.postingandtoasting.com/...e-knicks-young-first-rounders-to-the-g-league
And another: https://wfan.radio.com/articles/news/coronavirus-likely-impacted-knicks-to-bring-back-scott-perry
And another: https://www.postingandtoasting.com/...e-knicks-young-first-rounders-to-the-g-league
And another: https://wfan.radio.com/articles/news/coronavirus-likely-impacted-knicks-to-bring-back-scott-perry
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