Buddy and Bogdan’s extension?
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From memory - he was making bad decisions at the end of the game, as a ball handler if I recall forcing into turnovers, and not particularly good shooting. Looked desperate and out-of-control in a few plays trying to force things. But it wasn't all on him. Their team got shutdown. And how one plays in the playoffs, has more meaning than the regular season by extension. To play mediocre in big games doesn't inspire,
Now I think Hield has potential to be a top 10 scorer in the league which Brogdan does not from what I've seen. Brogdan didn't look terrible, but he's not gonna lead a team; he looks like a good 3rd or 4th option but doesn't strike me as a leader, and those spots of playoff mediocrity were proof.
Now I think Hield has potential to be a top 10 scorer in the league which Brogdan does not from what I've seen. Brogdan didn't look terrible, but he's not gonna lead a team; he looks like a good 3rd or 4th option but doesn't strike me as a leader, and those spots of playoff mediocrity were proof.
Brogdon looks like a good player, but was surprised at his contract. Its the new madness in the league. To your point, look at George Hill when the pressure is off on the Bucks - once again looking very keen like with the Jazz or Pacers. Ask him to take on the focus as with the Kings and you see what happened. I don't think the Pacers are going to be asking Brogdan to be 1st or even 2nd option offense anyway.
exactly, Brogdon is a role player that just so happened to be fortunate to be playing in this current era of insane salary cap numbers and they are only going to increase in the next two seasons. Buddy is a specialist, he is a shooter. In order to justify giving Buddy over 95+ million would mean that he isn't a one dimensional scorer and is getting to the line for example.
So I just showed you that he was a huge net positive when on the floor during the playoffs. For comparison, this is how their other core players faired during the playoffs:
Giannis = +3.2
Lopez = +2.4
Bledsoe = +1.3
Middleton = +0.6
Again, he was a +7.8 so I think it’s fair to say he helped his team a lot more than he hurt it (like you suggested).
And you mentioned him making bad plays, turning the ball over, forcing the issue, etc. He had a 2.4 AST:TO ratio in the playoffs. That’s very good for a SG. Again, he’s primarily a SG but he’s such a good passer that his team sometimes asks him to play PG.
I see both Hield and Brogdon as 3rd options on good teams. However, if you think Hield is going to be a top 10 scorer in this league then I don’t think we’ll ever agree. That would mean he’s scoring around 26 PPG. He was at 20.7 last year. That’s a significant jump for a 26 year old. Not to mention that the lowest FTA for a top 10 scorer is 4.2 (Curry). The next lowest is 6.5. Hield was at 2.4 last year.
And I could argue that Curry is an anomaly with his combination of ballhandling and pull-up 3 point game where he doesn’t need to rely on getting to the line as much. Hield doesn’t have that ballhandling ability and would need to rely on getting to the line more often if he’d ever want to be in the convo of top 10 scorer. He’d basically need to triple his FTAs to be on par with the rest of the top scorers in the league.
I don’t see that happening thus I value him as a solid 3rd option and therefore I look at Beogdon’s ability to score, hit the three, rebound, run an offense, find the open man, and defend multiple positions at a high level, and I have to tip the scale in his favor.
Giannis = +3.2
Lopez = +2.4
Bledsoe = +1.3
Middleton = +0.6
Again, he was a +7.8 so I think it’s fair to say he helped his team a lot more than he hurt it (like you suggested).
And you mentioned him making bad plays, turning the ball over, forcing the issue, etc. He had a 2.4 AST:TO ratio in the playoffs. That’s very good for a SG. Again, he’s primarily a SG but he’s such a good passer that his team sometimes asks him to play PG.
I see both Hield and Brogdon as 3rd options on good teams. However, if you think Hield is going to be a top 10 scorer in this league then I don’t think we’ll ever agree. That would mean he’s scoring around 26 PPG. He was at 20.7 last year. That’s a significant jump for a 26 year old. Not to mention that the lowest FTA for a top 10 scorer is 4.2 (Curry). The next lowest is 6.5. Hield was at 2.4 last year.
And I could argue that Curry is an anomaly with his combination of ballhandling and pull-up 3 point game where he doesn’t need to rely on getting to the line as much. Hield doesn’t have that ballhandling ability and would need to rely on getting to the line more often if he’d ever want to be in the convo of top 10 scorer. He’d basically need to triple his FTAs to be on par with the rest of the top scorers in the league.
I don’t see that happening thus I value him as a solid 3rd option and therefore I look at Beogdon’s ability to score, hit the three, rebound, run an offense, find the open man, and defend multiple positions at a high level, and I have to tip the scale in his favor.
I have no idea what to pay him, but if you're going to overpay someone right now, he's it. I'd put 8 more wins alone last year on his scoring consistency. Put another way if the team didn't have Hield last season, it would've been drudgery to watch with huge question marks. He was by far the most consistent offensive player on a lopsidedly offensive team. I know I expect him to pick up where he left off. Anything much less than last year's performance would be a disappointment. If I were Hield, I'd be all over an extension - in essence a prize for one great season and the potential to play at that consistency. Of course if he raises his play more which wouldn't be bad either, and contributes mightily to finally breaking the playoff barrier for instance, he doubles down and wins financially.
You're not showing me anything, and you're not convincing me either. My judgement has been made, so just stop. Go back and rewatch those plays and you can take your stats with you. If and when Brogdan redeems himself, I'll be sure to take notice, and give him more credit,.
Right now, currently, Hield is option 1 for the Kings, and that's what I'd value him. He's earned that from last season.... He scored nearly 21ppg last year. It's simple; in basketball, the name of the game is fg% (shooting) .and that's his focal point.
It Makes no sense for the team to sign Hield now. Evaluate his performance and the teams performance after the season is over.
If Hield continues his hot shooting and the team improves, the Money will be there.
If One or both of the aforementioned fail to happen, the team has to decide what's best for the long term future of the Kings.
Especially, with Fox and Bagley next in line for Max Contracts.
Why would the Kings pay 3 max contracts for a team that has not made the playoffs?
This Team is also very unlikely to go over the salary tax. Considering, no playoff appearances.
Impact players get max contracts. Players that can take over games against Elite/PLayoff teams consistently and help lead their respecitve team to the playoffs.
Hield, Fox, and Bagley need to show that capacity and consistently.
It starts with Winning in the Western Conference. Kings only had a winning records against the Spurs last year(Swept Them) and OKC. Outside of that, Kings were Abysmal against the other 6 playoff teams.
If that continues this year, Kings most certainly will miss the playoffs.
If Hield continues his hot shooting and the team improves, the Money will be there.
If One or both of the aforementioned fail to happen, the team has to decide what's best for the long term future of the Kings.
Especially, with Fox and Bagley next in line for Max Contracts.
Why would the Kings pay 3 max contracts for a team that has not made the playoffs?
This Team is also very unlikely to go over the salary tax. Considering, no playoff appearances.
Impact players get max contracts. Players that can take over games against Elite/PLayoff teams consistently and help lead their respecitve team to the playoffs.
Hield, Fox, and Bagley need to show that capacity and consistently.
It starts with Winning in the Western Conference. Kings only had a winning records against the Spurs last year(Swept Them) and OKC. Outside of that, Kings were Abysmal against the other 6 playoff teams.
If that continues this year, Kings most certainly will miss the playoffs.
Sorry I’m not the one making a judgement on a player after watching him for 1-2 games. The stats contradict your “eye test.” Don’t shoot the messenger. Perhaps you should make it a point to watch him more before making your judgement.
What makes you think Hield is a #1 option? Are you simply looking at the PPG last year or is there something else you’ve seen which makes you think he can be a #1 option on a great team?
And the name of the game is not FG%. That’s a very, very archaic way of thinking which is maybe why were disagreeing so much. You take 100 2pters and make 50% of them and you have 100 points. I take 100 3pters and make 40% of them and I have 120 points.
The name of the game is certainly not FG%.
What makes you think Hield is a #1 option? Are you simply looking at the PPG last year or is there something else you’ve seen which makes you think he can be a #1 option on a great team?
And the name of the game is not FG%. That’s a very, very archaic way of thinking which is maybe why were disagreeing so much. You take 100 2pters and make 50% of them and you have 100 points. I take 100 3pters and make 40% of them and I have 120 points.
The name of the game is certainly not FG%.
The last player I thought should of been offered close to a big contract was Cousins and we were not going anywhere with him.
Now with Bogi not ready to sign his deal makes me think that Buddy must really think he’s worth a lot more than Bogi which he is to a extent. But how much? 100, 120, 130 I would love to see what he thinks his number is.
Could we get a good draft pick with Buddy? If he thinks he’s the max level player I am starting to think he thinks he is then let’s get a lot for him soon before we it’s to late.
Give Bogi more to get him signed and then trade off Buddy? I would have no problem having Bogi as our starting SG if the alternative is to put us in contract hell with fox coming up next year.
Now with Bogi not ready to sign his deal makes me think that Buddy must really think he’s worth a lot more than Bogi which he is to a extent. But how much? 100, 120, 130 I would love to see what he thinks his number is.
Could we get a good draft pick with Buddy? If he thinks he’s the max level player I am starting to think he thinks he is then let’s get a lot for him soon before we it’s to late.
Give Bogi more to get him signed and then trade off Buddy? I would have no problem having Bogi as our starting SG if the alternative is to put us in contract hell with fox coming up next year.
Per a report this morning, it looks like Bogi has a max 4 yrs/$51.4M offer on the table, but he's not going to sign it.
My bet on Buddy, I think he gets an offer that is between Bog's $12.85M avg per year offer and Barnes $21.25M avg per year offer--$17M avg per year and I think he decides to play it out and test the market. We'll see.
My bet on Buddy, I think he gets an offer that is between Bog's $12.85M avg per year offer and Barnes $21.25M avg per year offer--$17M avg per year and I think he decides to play it out and test the market. We'll see.
The most the Kings can offer Bogi right now, because of his original contract is the 51.4 mil for 4 years, and so they made that offer. I think they knew that Bogi is worth more than that, but decided to make a good faith offer. They knew going in that he wouldn't accept that offer and Bogi knows that legally that's all they can offer right now. So this is basically a PR offer. The real negotiations will begin at the end of the season.
Reported that the Kings offered 4 years at $90 mil. Buddy wants closer to $110. Hopefully they can meet in the middle and get it done.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ra...lear-for-others-in-draft-class-180147606.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ra...lear-for-others-in-draft-class-180147606.html
I think the Kings and Buddy will reach a compromise and agree at 4 years $100 mil by next week.
That sounds like a fair number, considering somebody will likely throw around stupid money (i.e a max contract) at him in the summer. He will probably get a max offer next summer from someone, since not many quality free agents next summer and Buddy will be the top shooter available. Buddy would risk injury though, if he plays the year without an extension.
Let's get it done now and start fullfilling our destiny to becoming a championship contender in a few years!
That sounds like a fair number, considering somebody will likely throw around stupid money (i.e a max contract) at him in the summer. He will probably get a max offer next summer from someone, since not many quality free agents next summer and Buddy will be the top shooter available. Buddy would risk injury though, if he plays the year without an extension.
Let's get it done now and start fullfilling our destiny to becoming a championship contender in a few years!
Not really. Offering him that kind of money after they just gave Barnes a similar per year amount is probably close to that slap in the face he was talking about. Not that Barnes is a grossly overpaid. Overpaid for sure, but it's the cost of doing business in Sac. Yep, get that a little over 100 and call it a day. Vlade already put his eggs in the one basket, can't drop the basket now and start breaking them all over the place. The Kings won't gain a whole lot by letting talent walk now. If the Kings somehow ended up losing both Bogdan and Buddy next summer, this thing will have already fallen off the rails before it even took off.
If Vlade can't get a deal with Buddy singed, sealed, and delivered then he needs to put them both on the block immediately and press the reset button down about half way. I'd be calling the Knicks and see if the Kings can maybe pick up some type of package that corrects a mistake by getting Brazdeikis where he belonged in the first place and Kevin Knox. I could see them being interested in either Buddy or Bogdan to slide in next to Barrett. It would suck hard but the Kings can't afford to waste assets or shoot for the middle.
So in another 2 seasons are we going to have like 4 guys making around 25 million or so a year? I hope everyone is planning on all those deep playoff runs with this team as its structured.
I really like the depth we have but I can see that disappearing when we are over the cap.
All of the above comments can be fixed by winning and I hope that’s the case.
I really like the depth we have but I can see that disappearing when we are over the cap.
All of the above comments can be fixed by winning and I hope that’s the case.
Can’t help but feel like Buddy’s agent somehow decided to follow the Bonzi Wells negotiation playbook without bothering to read up on how it all ended.
Buddy’s already 27 and just now entering RFA-dom. Next offseason, most teams are going to be keeping their wallets shut in anticipation of the 2021 FA season and he probably doesn’t match the time frame of any of the teams that CAN give him a huge contract.
Buddy’s already 27 and just now entering RFA-dom. Next offseason, most teams are going to be keeping their wallets shut in anticipation of the 2021 FA season and he probably doesn’t match the time frame of any of the teams that CAN give him a huge contract.
Hield is NOT a #1 option. A Buddy open 3 might be the offensive #1 option, but it starts with Fox. Buddy is below average at creating for a starting SG. He is fantastic off the catch and 1 or 2 dribbles. After that its cringe time
Brogdan is a pretty good comparison imo.
Id rather have Brogdan and Bogs over an overpaid Buddy if im vlade
Brogdan is a pretty good comparison imo.
Id rather have Brogdan and Bogs over an overpaid Buddy if im vlade
This is Buddy’s one guaranteed shot at a big payday. He might be able to get $110 if he plays well this season. He might not depending in the market - or he could get injured. I would much rather see him sign for $100 mil than any other scenario.
He is our longest tenured King - if the culture building doesn’t start with him, then where does it start.
He is our longest tenured King - if the culture building doesn’t start with him, then where does it start.
Kings are going to have to fold eventually. We invested our franchise into two guys who's offensive game revolves around getting to the rim/free throw line. Buddy is an elite class scorer/shooter that's 100% needed if we want to maximize our returns on Fox and Bagley as the franchise cornerstone pieces.
Kings should have known $100+mil was coming for Buddy. If they can't afford it, why the hell did we spend the $90 mil on Barnes then? Wasn't a fan of that contract and it's going to be an even bigger disaster if it means we lose one of Buddy or Bogdan.
Kings should have known $100+mil was coming for Buddy. If they can't afford it, why the hell did we spend the $90 mil on Barnes then? Wasn't a fan of that contract and it's going to be an even bigger disaster if it means we lose one of Buddy or Bogdan.