Bagley will start soon

[KingsFanSince85]

Oddly, if some other rookie not playing for the KINGS put up the statline MB3 had last night — it would be lauded as ‘great’ followed by talk how the KINGS missed out on said player. It’s been going on all season with a couple different names.

But when MB3 does well, the performance is heavily critiqued as just ‘meh’. Go figure.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Bagley didn't have a bad game, and 20/10 sounds nice, especially considering he's a rookie. But let's not make it out to be much more than good round stats on a bad team.

Remember, Tyreke spent a whole rookie year averaging 20 5 and 5, and that meant a whole lot of nothing

Interesting how this POV doesn’t fly for other unnamed rookies piling up stats on losing teams. Instead they’ve been deified all season. I wonder why that is.

 

[Hansel]

Is it possible to discuss about Bagley without naming or referring to Doncic? I can easily explain why but then we start talking about the guy from Slovitzkia (cit) and the thread will be closed.

 

[DesertFox]

Oh so we are a bad team now. I heard enough. Some people. This is sad.

3 starters missing from a 500 team, as we saw they were not very good.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

Interesting how this POV doesn’t fly for other unnamed rookies piling up stats on losing teams. Instead they’ve been deified all season. I wonder why that is.

I know. Doncic's teams have been getting wrecked and he's been shooting really poorly lately, yet is devoid from almost all criticism. Bagley drops 22/11 and also 2 blocks yet is considered meaningless stats by some.

 

[Cojc]

I don’t expect him to play 37 plus a night but for whatever reason the coach felt he should be held back does not apply anymore.
I saw his potential for his rookie year at like 18 & 8 but never dreamed he would be lucky to get 20 minutes a night

 

[BigVirg]

22/11 in his first start.....How the hell is anyone here not praising that? 20 shots, ok fine i get that's not great BUT IT WAS HIS FIRST START. 1 assist again not great but does every player have to be a play-maker? Bagley is a natural scorer and rebounder so let him do that! Is anyone trying to stop Giles from being a playmaker? Hell NO! I get that He who shall not be named will be a thing around here for awhile but damn can we get behind this dude already? Nobody was talking about Fox last year being the best player in the draft and look at him now. Bagley is going to be a stud once he doesn't have to solely rely on his god given athleticism. That 22 and 11 will turn into 30 and 15 on 20 shots once his skills are developed.

 

[Blob]

I know. Doncic's teams have been getting wrecked and he's been shooting really poorly lately, yet is devoid from almost all criticism. Bagley drops 22/11 and also 2 blocks yet is considered meaningless stats by some.

Excepting for his late game heroics, which he does have a special knack, Doncic is a boring player. Their team is half court plodding team. Luka is not nearly the pick and roll wizard Bogs is. I like Luka but he's boring. He tries to plow through the defender and settles for these step back threes. Good luck with that that's not high percentage. He has a nice mid and low post game I will say that for him too. He's super savvy but he's boring. He's shooting 40% this month and 30% on threes and the Mavs are out of playoff chase. A month ago after we beat them at they were plus .500 I guaranteed they would be 5 games under .500 in one month and that is what happened. The Mavs competitiveness has held up to the degree it has because DeAndre Jordan gives them a reliable anchor in the middle. He's not a shot blocker any more but you can sense his presence. He vacuums in 14 boards a game! If we had Jordan over Willie we would competing for the 4th or 5th seed.

 

[Livinthedream]

3 starters missing from a 500 team, as we saw they were not very good.

Just going back 5 games, he's been at 50% or higher for 4/5. 52% for the season. Doncic isn't the only player allowed to be good.

 

[ockingsfan]

I would tend to think that if Bagley is to start in the front court with WCS, Bogdan would need to start at SF.

This would help open up the lanes for Fox, because Bogdan is viewed as a better facilitator and more a threat from 3 point land than Shump. The Kings would have a finisher in Bagley, that we don't have right now in the previous starting line up. I think Bjeli will find new life coming in against 2nd stringers too. Shump would back up his more natural position of SG.

A starting linup and rotation of:

PF: Bagley / Bjeli
SF: Bogdan / JJ
C: WCS / Giles
SG: Hield / Shump
PG: Fox / Yogi / Mason

GO KINGS!!!

 

[ppine]

An odd bunch of posts.
Bagley has earned the right to start when ever his coach tells him to.

 

[Section 101]

Im more concerned about him being a ball stopper in the offense. This goes against what they are trying to accomplish. If he cant pass out of a double team or find an open shooter then he's going to slow down the offense too much.

 

[Kingster]

The Kings took 91 shots and scored 105 points. Bagley took 20 shots and scored 22 points. He didn't push the needle much in either direction.

Bagley didn't have a bad game, and 20/10 sounds nice, especially considering he's a rookie. But let's not make it out to be much more than good round stats on a bad team.

Remember, Tyreke spent a whole rookie year averaging 20 5 and 5, and that meant a whole lot of nothing.

Memphis is a bad team. Dallas is a bad team. Phoenix is a bad team. Not the Kings. So throw out the stats of Jackson Jr., Doncic and Ayton. They don't mean a thing. They are on bad teams. A .500 team isn't bad.

 

[Gliesian]

I would tend to think that if Bagley is to start in the front court with WCS, Bogdan would need to start at SF.

This would help open up the lanes for Fox, because Bogdan is viewed as a better facilitator and more a threat from 3 point land than Shump. The Kings would have a finisher in Bagley, that we don't have right now in the previous starting line up. I think Bjeli will find new life coming in against 2nd stringers too. Shump would back up his more natural position of SG.

A starting linup and rotation of:

PF: Bagley / Bjeli
SF: Bogdan / JJ
C: WCS / Giles
SG: Hield / Shump
PG: Fox / Yogi / Mason

GO KINGS!!!

Agree with Bogdan starting if Bagley and WCS are together. But if Nemanja can get out of his shooting slump, do we still want to start Bagley over WCS? Would you rather have more mistakes or more rebounds? Tough decision but it might be already too late for Nemanja- the slump has gone on too long. I think Joerger gives him one more game to get out of it.

 

[Hansel]

Memphis is a bad team. Dallas is a bad team. Phoenix is a bad team. Not the Kings. So throw out the stats of Jackson Jr., Doncic and Ayton. They don't mean a thing. They are on bad teams. A .500 team isn't bad.

Dallas is 2.5 games behind us. Where's the line which separates bad teams from not bad teams? .500? It means if we lost the next one we would be a bad team. Or. 450? It means if Dallas won the next one the Mavs wouldn't be bad anymore. Sometimes I found really difficult to get your point guys. I mean, your agenda is pretty clear, but...

OT Good to know we loved DMC for nothing.

 

[Cojc]

Just saw a interesting stat on the last time a kings player went 20/10 in his first start. It was 1972.

 

[Kingster]

Dallas is 2.5 games behind us. Where's the line which separates bad teams from not bad teams? .500? It means if we lost the next one we would be a bad team. Or. 450? It means if Dallas won the next one the Mavs wouldn't be bad anymore. Sometimes I found really difficult to get your point guys. I mean, your agenda is pretty clear, but...

OT Good to know we loved DMC for nothing.

I'd say third from the bottom in the West is a good place to start for "bad."

 

[ESP47]

Since when is shooting 50% from the floor a bad thing?

What is going on here?

I thought he was good. Apparently 10-20 is now not good enough. SMH

I'll play devils advocate here but let me put it into context first. For a rookie, I thought he had a really good game. I don't have any complaints.

If you want to win basketball games, shooting 50% from the field on all 2 point shots will lose you nearly every game. If the Kings all shot 50% and got 1 point per shot when they played the Pistons, they would have scored 89 points and lost. Against the Blazers they would have scored 87 points and lost. Even Jerry Reynolds used to mention in the telecasts that shooting 50% on 1PPS is not winning basketball.

In the context of a rookie, I thought he had a good game. In the context of winning basketball, it was a below average game from a strictly shooting stand point. Not just for Marvin but for most the team because in that game he had the 4th highest TS%. Which means nearly everyone was shooting below their averages. Also, Marvin has the 3rd highest TS% on the team for the season which is great for a rookie so it's not like he's been inefficient all year like Giles has.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I'd say third from the bottom in the West is a good place to start for "bad."

We must be pretty bad then using your logic, since we're only 2.5 games away from being third bottom in the West.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

Excepting for his late game heroics, which he does have a special knack, Doncic is a boring player. Their team is half court plodding team. Luka is not nearly the pick and roll wizard Bogs is. I like Luka but he's boring. He tries to plow through the defender and settles for these step back threes. Good luck with that that's not high percentage. He has a nice mid and low post game I will say that for him too. He's super savvy but he's boring. He's shooting 40% this month and 30% on threes and the Mavs are out of playoff chase. A month ago after we beat them at they were plus .500 I guaranteed they would be 5 games under .500 in one month and that is what happened. The Mavs competitiveness has held up to the degree it has because DeAndre Jordan gives them a reliable anchor in the middle. He's not a shot blocker any more but you can sense his presence. He vacuums in 14 boards a game! If we had Jordan over Willie we would competing for the 4th or 5th seed.

I like Doncic a lot. I don't think he's boring at all, but I do have concerns over him. His shot selection has gotten a lot worse over the year, as has his hero ball mentality. It's contributed to a lot of bad play and chemistry issues on the Mavericks. In fact, I feel like I'm watching Russell Westbrook at times with how much he tries to dominate his teams play. I guess what I'm trying to say is......Marvin Bagley should start.

 

[Livinthedream]

I'll play devils advocate here but let me put it into context first. For a rookie, I thought he had a really good game. I don't have any complaints.

If you want to win basketball games, shooting 50% from the field on all 2 point shots will lose you nearly every game. If the Kings all shot 50% and got 1 point per shot when they played the Pistons, they would have scored 89 points and lost. Against the Blazers they would have scored 87 points and lost. Even Jerry Reynolds used to mention in the telecasts that shooting 50% on 1PPS is not winning basketball.

In the context of a rookie, I thought he had a good game. In the context of winning basketball, it was a below average game from a strictly shooting stand point. Not just for Marvin but for most the team because in that game he had the 4th highest TS%. Which means nearly everyone was shooting below their averages. Also, Marvin has the 3rd highest TS% on the team for the season which is great for a rookie so it's not like he's been inefficient all year like Giles has.

Two of Marvin's attempts last night were from 3pt range. Both missed. So I'm not sure how that helps him, or that we can even expect him to do that today, when it's not part of his game. Be efficient at what you do best. Throwing up more 3pt attempts in this context does not make him more valuable.

His TS% will go up when the refs start respecting his game more and actually blow the whistle when he's fouled down low. As long as he keeps his FT percentage up, his TS% will be fine even without adding a 3pt shot. Which I think he will eventually add.

Context is everything. I won't judge my SG's defensive prowess by how many blocks he gets under the rim against bigs, just like I won't necessarily judge my Centers scoring ability by if he jacks up a bunch of 3s or not. JJJ is the 3pt shooting specialist at Center and his numbers are almost identical to Marvin's across the board. JJJ only takes one more 3ptr per game than Marvin as well. If you want JJJ to hang out at the 3pt line and shoot more, then you lose his rebounding. Same with Marvin.

Marvin had a very good game without any qualifiers needed.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Y’all are crazy for nitpicking Bagley like this. Dude is a stud. First time we featured him all year and first time as a starter he drops 22-11 on the Raptors no less to go along with 2 blocks and 1 steal with 50% overall shooting and 100% on free throws.

What more could you want from him 40 games into his career and his first start? It’s clear what Joerger is doing. He’s making Bagley earn his spot as a starter so when he replaces Bjelica there are no hard feelings. Bjelica will know it’s because Bagley earned his way into the starting lineup.

Joerger is about to unleash the beast and our X factor for the 2nd half of the season. I can’t wait.

 

[Cojc]

Reading some news reports on the game most of what I read they were pretty high on his performance.
Pretty much to some it up they say he has a very good game for his experience and when his game involves the league needs to watch out.
Plus I look at beli pretty much like Hill in they both are filling a need so our rookies can gain experience.

 

[Agent23]

Dallas is 2.5 games behind us. Where's the line which separates bad teams from not bad teams? .500? It means if we lost the next one we would be a bad team. Or. 450? It means if Dallas won the next one the Mavs wouldn't be bad anymore. Sometimes I found really difficult to get your point guys. I mean, your agenda is pretty clear, but...

OT Good to know we loved DMC for nothing.

Sheesh, rough times when you are accused of having an agenda for supporting a Kings player over a non-Kings player.

 

[ESP47]

Two of Marvin's attempts last night were from 3pt range. Both missed. So I'm not sure how that helps him, or that we can even expect him to do that today, when it's not part of his game. Be efficient at what you do best. Throwing up more 3pt attempts in this context does not make him more valuable.

His TS% will go up when the refs start respecting his game more and actually blow the whistle when he's fouled down low. As long as he keeps his FT percentage up, his TS% will be fine even without adding a 3pt shot. Which I think he will eventually add.

Context is everything. I won't judge my SG's defensive prowess by how many blocks he gets under the rim against bigs, just like I won't necessarily judge my Centers scoring ability by if he jacks up a bunch of 3s or not. JJJ is the 3pt shooting specialist at Center and his numbers are almost identical to Marvin's across the board. JJJ only takes one more 3ptr per game than Marvin as well. If you want JJJ to hang out at the 3pt line and shoot more, then you lose his rebounding. Same with Marvin.

Marvin had a very good game without any qualifiers needed.

I don't think I said anything in my post that wasn't true. You can get hung up on 3 pointers all you want but I didn't even mention him needing to shoot more 3s at all.

 

[Livinthedream]

I don't think I said anything in my post that wasn't true. You can get hung up on 3 pointers all you want but I didn't even mention him needing to shoot more 3s at all.

"If you want to win basketball games, shooting 50% from the field on all 2 point shots will lose you nearly every game."

If this didn't mean 3 point shots, then you weren't clear.

If all you wanted to say was he needs to shoot a higher percentage or shoot more free throws in order to increase his TS%, it was long winded way of saying it.

 

[macadocious]

There are 37 players in the NBA averaging 50% of better on FG%. (WCS is one of them)

There are 11 players in the NBA averaging 11 rebounds or more per game.

There are 19 players in the NBA averaging 22 points or more per game.


What are we doing here?

 

[VF21]

MOD NOTE: This is the thread about Bagley starting soon. There is now another thread (one from the board merged with some posts formerly made in this thread) about Coach Yogurt v. Bagley's dad.

 

[Kingster]

We must be pretty bad then using your logic, since we're only 2.5 games away from being third bottom in the West.

The Kings are sixth from the bottom. As in 4th is better than 5th, 5th is better than 4th from the bottom.

 

[sergmatt]

There are 37 players in the NBA averaging 50% of better on FG%. (WCS is one of them)

There are 11 players in the NBA averaging 11 rebounds or more per game.

There are 19 players in the NBA averaging 22 points or more per game.


What are we doing here?

Is this a Wonderlic question?