Bagley will start soon
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I don't have a problem with him getting 30 minutes like Bogi, but he isn't efficent or a good enough defender to make up for his lack of shooting. He had a solid game, but pretty much in line with expectations. 20 shots to 22 points isn't anything groundbreaking.
Fox needs to be surrounded with shooters, so his minutes need to match up with Belly as much as possible. If Belly continues to struggle, then sure, there's a point where Bagley's positives outweigh his lack of a shot.
I trust Joeger to know when they reach that point.
Fox needs to be surrounded with shooters, so his minutes need to match up with Belly as much as possible. If Belly continues to struggle, then sure, there's a point where Bagley's positives outweigh his lack of a shot.
I trust Joeger to know when they reach that point.
Bagley needs to start. I think it is important for his own mental outlook. His performance dictates he should start. I think he thinks he should start. He should start. It could create some issues for spacing with Fox, but it also could create some opportunities in that Bagley can demand a double team, thereby creating space for Fox and others to take an easy outside shot. He also can get rebounds to start the break for Fox, and he can finish at the basket either on fast breaks or on lobs from Fox. The guy who could eventually be the odd man out when it comes to working offensively with Fox is WCS. Whereas Bagley already has a solid post game to create space for others, WCS doesn't. Whereas Bagley already has a solid medium range shooting game, WCS doesn't.
There's 2 ways to look at his night.
For a rookie, it was pretty impressive.
For a team playing .500 ball, it's not going to cut it.
Like you said, 22pts on 20 shots isn't that great but there were a lot of flashes in there of what he's capable of. As he gets more experience, I expect him to dial it in better so hopefully by next year he's scoring the same amount of points with less shots taken.
For a rookie, it was pretty impressive.
For a team playing .500 ball, it's not going to cut it.
Like you said, 22pts on 20 shots isn't that great but there were a lot of flashes in there of what he's capable of. As he gets more experience, I expect him to dial it in better so hopefully by next year he's scoring the same amount of points with less shots taken.
Kings regressing isn’t the end of the world. Kings leave this trip with a ,500 record and the FO goes for the playoffs. Kings fall off and a number of assets get moved for picks and players, who can help this team moving fwd.
The pace is catching up to the Kings—see FT shooting as evidence. And opponents are forcing the K8ngs to drive n be effective. Kings need to adjust.
The pace is catching up to the Kings—see FT shooting as evidence. And opponents are forcing the K8ngs to drive n be effective. Kings need to adjust.
If Beli was hitting shots and the starting lineup was clicking, there would be more of an argument for the status quo. There isn't much to lose and potentially more to gain by giving Bagley the start. It's been obvious all year he would put up 20/10 pretty regularly given the minutes, as he did tonight even with a lot of sloppy mistakes. He's only going to iron those out with playing time, and better that he play with some certainty about when he's going to be in the game.
I don't see making the playoffs sticking with the status quo anyway. There's maybe an outside chance he really blossoms and changes the trajectory of the team. More likely next year though.
I don't see making the playoffs sticking with the status quo anyway. There's maybe an outside chance he really blossoms and changes the trajectory of the team. More likely next year though.
Not the most efficient night, but he makes one more bucket and he's at 1.2 points per shot which is an average for plenty of not bad players. Bagley's average is close to 1.4 PPS. He usually draws more fouls and converts more reliably inside. He's tightening up a few things away from being very efficient.
If our front office drafted him because he's the "best fit" and we can't find a spot for him in the starting lineup over a shooting specialist who hasn't been hitting shots for the past month, what are we even doing?
If our front office drafted him because he's the "best fit" and we can't find a spot for him in the starting lineup over a shooting specialist who hasn't been hitting shots for the past month, what are we even doing?
The Kings took 91 shots and scored 105 points. Bagley took 20 shots and scored 22 points. He didn't push the needle much in either direction.
Bagley didn't have a bad game, and 20/10 sounds nice, especially considering he's a rookie. But let's not make it out to be much more than good round stats on a bad team.
Remember, Tyreke spent a whole rookie year averaging 20 5 and 5, and that meant a whole lot of nothing.
Bagley didn't have a bad game, and 20/10 sounds nice, especially considering he's a rookie. But let's not make it out to be much more than good round stats on a bad team.
Remember, Tyreke spent a whole rookie year averaging 20 5 and 5, and that meant a whole lot of nothing.
Just to make it clear, I'm confident Bagley will turn out to be a really nice player if he meets the right teachers. He needs someone to teach him team basketball and I'm sure Vlade feels the same. He's way too confident, transcending into arrogance (MVP interview) . The last thing he needs is an environment where he's already considered a star. Coach Yogurt is doing it great, I'm more worried by Lavar 2.0.
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People need to remember this is Bagley’s first ever start in the NBA and he didn’t have the benefit of his starting point guard, Fox, setting him up for easier shots.
22/11 is a nice start. He’s only going to get better from here on out. If he starts from here on out, I think he can become a double-double machine.
22/11 is a nice start. He’s only going to get better from here on out. If he starts from here on out, I think he can become a double-double machine.
I really found it hard to believe when you draft a player second it takes you almost 50 games before you let him start. The only way I can explain it is either we have a great team and it takes awhile to blend in or he wasn’t the player we hoped for. (Maybe the coaching)
I will say I have been in the Bagley camp since before the draft and still think he was the right pick for us. We are finally filling in the pieces to be a very good team.
We must get help and I see a real problem the Kings have had for many years and most of it is our reputation.
What I mean by that is its hard to get a top tier free agent to come here and most of our trades have either been for a player who can’t fit in with the team they are leaving or we continue to trade for a bench player from the other team.
We need to pony up and trade for a few folks that are good players even if that means giving something up and I don’t mean Fox, Bagley, Buddy, Bogi or Giles. Everyone else to me is trade bait.
I will say I have been in the Bagley camp since before the draft and still think he was the right pick for us. We are finally filling in the pieces to be a very good team.
We must get help and I see a real problem the Kings have had for many years and most of it is our reputation.
What I mean by that is its hard to get a top tier free agent to come here and most of our trades have either been for a player who can’t fit in with the team they are leaving or we continue to trade for a bench player from the other team.
We need to pony up and trade for a few folks that are good players even if that means giving something up and I don’t mean Fox, Bagley, Buddy, Bogi or Giles. Everyone else to me is trade bait.