[Game] Kings @ Lakers - Sunday, Dec. 30 - 6:30PT/9:30ET
- Thread starter VF21
- Start date
Yeah JJ is not a good rebounder in general. Having him in their with WCS who is a marginal rebounder against a team with length is a problem.
Not sure why you pull Giles from Stockton to fly down to LA last night and then give him no burn tonight especially against the Laker length. I especially don’t get why you don’t go back to Beli when they went with Ingram, Kuzma and McGee. We had no size against a big front line. With no interior threat they were pushing out on our Guards with bigs making us take contested 3’s. Add to that the fast break killing time out and it wasn’t Joeger’s best game.
Not sure why you pull Giles from Stockton to fly down to LA last night and then give him no burn tonight especially against the Laker length. I especially don’t get why you don’t go back to Beli when they went with Ingram, Kuzma and McGee. We had no size against a big front line. With no interior threat they were pushing out on our Guards with bigs making us take contested 3’s. Add to that the fast break killing time out and it wasn’t Joeger’s best game.
I'm not opposed to tinkering with the frontcourt.
Shumpert-Bjelica-WCS is not a winning formula. It's a stopgap and considering the age and experience of those guys it's pretty much capped out potential wise. At some point they're going to have to trade that frontcourt in for a better one if they want to be a good team. Shumpert has been better than I ever imagined but he's still not a true SF, and the Bjelica-WCS pairing is a sieve defensively and on the boards.
Trading for Otto Porter and promoting Bagley to starter is looking more appealing by the day.
And Ben-JJ-Koufos? Never, ever again,
Shumpert-Bjelica-WCS is not a winning formula. It's a stopgap and considering the age and experience of those guys it's pretty much capped out potential wise. At some point they're going to have to trade that frontcourt in for a better one if they want to be a good team. Shumpert has been better than I ever imagined but he's still not a true SF, and the Bjelica-WCS pairing is a sieve defensively and on the boards.
Trading for Otto Porter and promoting Bagley to starter is looking more appealing by the day.
And Ben-JJ-Koufos? Never, ever again,
Yep. Too much standing around. Also, the KINGS guards need to be ready for the long caroms and position themselves in front of the offensive players around the 3 point line. That way when the likes of Tyson Chandler tries to bat the ball back toward his players, they are in position to intercept and start a break. Too much laziness. And that's exactly what it is .... laziness.
Dave completely threw that game away playing Jackson/WCS together with Shumpert in the 4th got us killed, Bjelica/Yogi/Mclemore all played better and were iced. You can't have low IQ players playing that long together in the 4th, Jackson needed constant double teams against whoever and does nothing and WCS was just throwing up crap the entire game near the rim. Shumpert is who he is he's going to throw up horrible shots but at least he plays D non-stop.
I think the Kings are onto something playing 1 big (Bagley eventually) and 3 wings player (once we get starting wings) and 1 PG. We need to go all in on Otto Porter and send them WCS/whatever else
C: Bagley/Bjelica/KK (match up case)
PF: Porter/Bjelica
SF: Shumpert/Bogie/Buddy
SG: Buddy/Bogie/Mclemore
PG: Fox/Yogi
The interior D couldn't be worse than what is now but at least we could out run everyone and force other teams to adjust like the Lakers did tonight.
I think the Kings are onto something playing 1 big (Bagley eventually) and 3 wings player (once we get starting wings) and 1 PG. We need to go all in on Otto Porter and send them WCS/whatever else
C: Bagley/Bjelica/KK (match up case)
PF: Porter/Bjelica
SF: Shumpert/Bogie/Buddy
SG: Buddy/Bogie/Mclemore
PG: Fox/Yogi
The interior D couldn't be worse than what is now but at least we could out run everyone and force other teams to adjust like the Lakers did tonight.
Last edited:
I haven't watched previous game, but someone mentioned we had Bjelica as a center in a small ball lineup, how did it work? My prefered small ball unit woud be Fox, Buddy, Bogdan, Shump, WCS/Bjelica. WCS only if he plays his high effort game. IMO, that unit could work against GSW type starting lineup, not against Utah.
Last edited:
I see Willie not rotating to help out very much and it frustrates me to no end. Yeah we kinda did a good job on Kuzma but sacrificed everything else.
I was shocked to see Ben and jj get so much playing time last night and with ben’s fouls last night I would of loved to see Giles get those minutes some way.
I really put this one on the coach and what was he thinking calling a time out when we had a 2 on 1 fast break on one of our only good defensive stops later in the game.
I was shocked to see Ben and jj get so much playing time last night and with ben’s fouls last night I would of loved to see Giles get those minutes some way.
I really put this one on the coach and what was he thinking calling a time out when we had a 2 on 1 fast break on one of our only good defensive stops later in the game.
I thought given the circumstances, Willie had a damn good game. Season high in blocks.
The Willie scapegoat effect is near peak levels in this thread.
IDK what it is here with Willie, somehow MANY have standards that are warped and twisted well beyond reason, bordering fantasy... THere's really only one way this came to pass too -- lack of perspective.
IS it as simple as some are looking for someone to blame and the last line of defense is the easy target? IDK what game y'all are watching teams are trying to isolate our PF spot, not Willie..... why do the complaints about the C spot defense outnumber the PF spot 100:1??? (same people projecting their feelings over and over and over?)
The Willie scapegoat effect is near peak levels in this thread.
IDK what it is here with Willie, somehow MANY have standards that are warped and twisted well beyond reason, bordering fantasy... THere's really only one way this came to pass too -- lack of perspective.
IS it as simple as some are looking for someone to blame and the last line of defense is the easy target? IDK what game y'all are watching teams are trying to isolate our PF spot, not Willie..... why do the complaints about the C spot defense outnumber the PF spot 100:1??? (same people projecting their feelings over and over and over?)
Last edited:
I thought WCS played a decent game. On both ends. Took what the defense gave him and converted a bunch of drive into the opposing centers chest and scores. Played good on the ball defense against Lakers' bigs. Got caught out of position, because he was often the on the ball defender, because of earlier switches.
Beating a dead horse here, but Kings miss Bags. With Bags, Kings have a premium perimeter athlete and two premium interior athletes. Without him, the opposing defense gravitates towards the perimeter and forces our guards to shoot over length or to drive.
That said, Kings lost that game last night. Going 1/10 or so in the 4th from three is simply a team going for the home run instead of the simple, smart play. Need Bags to get those dirty points or a guard/sf to take the ball off the bounce and force the opposing team into penalties. Fox playing hurt impacts things here--he's not as willing to take the bump and it's showing.
Since last year, we've made opposing 6'8 or taller SFs look like damn all stars--Trey Lyles, BI,Moe Harkless, Warren...Kings really need a jumbo big on the defensive end. That's our biggest weakness. Time will tell.
No Giles again. Think the coaching staff and maybe the FO have decided that Giles simply doesn't fit the new style (and I would agree). Wouldn't be surprised to see him packaged for a player or picks by Feb.
Beating a dead horse here, but Kings miss Bags. With Bags, Kings have a premium perimeter athlete and two premium interior athletes. Without him, the opposing defense gravitates towards the perimeter and forces our guards to shoot over length or to drive.
That said, Kings lost that game last night. Going 1/10 or so in the 4th from three is simply a team going for the home run instead of the simple, smart play. Need Bags to get those dirty points or a guard/sf to take the ball off the bounce and force the opposing team into penalties. Fox playing hurt impacts things here--he's not as willing to take the bump and it's showing.
Since last year, we've made opposing 6'8 or taller SFs look like damn all stars--Trey Lyles, BI,Moe Harkless, Warren...Kings really need a jumbo big on the defensive end. That's our biggest weakness. Time will tell.
No Giles again. Think the coaching staff and maybe the FO have decided that Giles simply doesn't fit the new style (and I would agree). Wouldn't be surprised to see him packaged for a player or picks by Feb.
I don't know about that. The Kings need Bogdan's playmaking when Fox sits. Finish the game with your best lineup, Bodgdan included, of course--but I think you are better off starting Buddy and staggering Fox/Bogdan early on. One thing I liked last night was when Fox got his fourth foul and Coach brought in both Yogi and Bogi in order to make sure the Kings still had a capable playmaker when Fox sat.
I don’t think this conclusion could be farther from the truth. He’s going to be a major part of the team, likely starting next year. I’m guessing the plan was for him to get consistent minutes this year, but he struggled out of the gate and then we ended up being too damn good to just hand out minutes.
I want Giles to succeed and to do so as a King as much as any one here. But objectively looking at it, based on his current development, he’s not a great fit next to Fox. Fox is best with the ball in his hands. Giles is best with the ball in his hands. Fox plays off the ball with Bogie n does well, but the pace remains constant. Giles has the ball n the pace crawls. I just don’t know if the Kings are willing to implement such a drastic slow down to implement Giles. Memphis is or last year’s offense would’ve been the perfect spot for Giles. We’ll see.
PapaG is a failure of Vlade, not Joerger. Dude should have never been drafted, which was clear as day to anyone who followed the draft.
-Skal isn't on anybody. Just what happens to a good majority of guys who have a bunch of tantalizing tools, but don't know how to play when they drafted. There was a reason he was the top high school prospect in the country and then dropped to a late first rounder after a year of school; he didn't know how to play. For a late 1st round investment, not a big loss on anybody with him not working out.
-WCS HAS improved whether you want to acknowledge it or not. He's a good starting center who makes us better when he's on the floor. I think there's certainly an argument to whether he's worth the $20+Mil center that the top 12 guys get, but the argument on whether he's a good player or not has long been decided.
-Skal isn't on anybody. Just what happens to a good majority of guys who have a bunch of tantalizing tools, but don't know how to play when they drafted. There was a reason he was the top high school prospect in the country and then dropped to a late first rounder after a year of school; he didn't know how to play. For a late 1st round investment, not a big loss on anybody with him not working out.
-WCS HAS improved whether you want to acknowledge it or not. He's a good starting center who makes us better when he's on the floor. I think there's certainly an argument to whether he's worth the $20+Mil center that the top 12 guys get, but the argument on whether he's a good player or not has long been decided.