Future of Willie Cauley-Stein?

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Willie Cauley-Stein
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THAT should be Cauley-Stein’s future.


PG - Fox / Ferrell / Mason
SG - Hield / Shumpert / McLemore
SF - Bogdanovic / Jackson / Bonga
PF - Bagley / Bjelica / Labissiere / Deng
C - Giles / Koufos / Davis
 
Willie will most likely be a starter this season and defend the best Big as usual. This is what goes unnoticed. He started 58 games last season averaged 28 minutes. Averages were 12.8 points, 7 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.1 steals and .9 blocks. Outside of Kosta and ZBo there was very little help on the boards. Hopefully Giles and Bagley provide some rebounding/boxing out.
 

dude12

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Only 3 players 7'0" or taller who played at least 1,000 minutes last season graded out as a B or better in Perimeter Defense per our competency grading model:

- Steven Adams
- Kelly Olynyk
- Willie Cauley-Stein

#NBAPlayerGrades
I wanted to comment on this as well.....some forum members have alluded to this as well but WCS rebound numbers are somewhat affected by his being on the perimeter so much. I say somewhat because, he can and needs to be better on the boards but WCS is unique in his abilities. He’s not the stiff that many on here continue to hammer home. I want to see him as a 3rd big with Giles and Bagley. Those 3 are very athletic and I can’t help but wonder what the defensive potential is with these 3.
 
Jorge Sierra @hoopshype
Willie Cauley-Stein... Why extend his contract? Why pass? pic.twitter.com/flgTqTMPVn

Not surprising when it says kings were statistically worse with wcs on the floor.
It also said he would not go more than 4 yrs 40mil on an extension

If I were kings I would jump on that, Im not sure Willie would

Extension deadline is late October?

I Really want all 4 bigs for the long haul (Bags,Giles,WCS,Skal) In that order on depth chart
 
Jorge Sierra @hoopshype
Willie Cauley-Stein... Why extend his contract? Why pass? pic.twitter.com/flgTqTMPVn

Not surprising when it says kings were statistically worse with wcs on the floor.
That has to be taken into context though. He started the second most games and usually the Kings starters got torched by the other teams starters. It wouldn't surprise me if the Kings were statistically worse with all the guys who started the most games on the floor.
 
Willie is likely to be outplayed by both Giles and Bagley by the middle of the season.
Koufus is good off the bench. Willie may have trouble getting minutes by Christmas.
 
Sorry, I'm no longer a part of this forum! Enjoy!
Bajaden,

This is I think second or perhaps the third time I have seen you make a proclamation such as this. Maybe you want to leave, I don't know. I will say however that yours is the most informed and intelligent voice on this forum, bar none. If you want to leave just because someone has a opinion that you consider ridiculous then I think that is sad. You are far too respected here and your insights too valued to be pushed aside by the comments from someone going on a rant. Let it go man. Have a cervesa and watch the sunset, then come back for preseason. We love you man!
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
So, in a recent radio interview, Trill basically called himself out for everything we've been calling him out for. From consistency to a lack of effort in the early part of last season. It was a pretty brutal self critique

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2018...ncy-from-himself-this-season-sacramento-kings

Talk is talk, but the self awareness is a far cry from him thinking he's the next 'Zinger. We'll see if he puts his money where his mouth is, but it sounds like he's pretty pumped and has finally found his mojo (or is low key worried about his minutes with Giles and Bagley ready to go - but whatever he needs to get motivated!).

I've often been critical of WCS, but we've all seen what he can do when he's focused. I'm rooting for him to turn it around next season. I have a soft spot for the weirdos!
 
So, in a recent radio interview, Trill basically called himself out for everything we've been calling him out for. From consistency to a lack of effort in the early part of last season. It was a pretty brutal self critique

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2018...ncy-from-himself-this-season-sacramento-kings

Talk is talk, but the self awareness is a far cry from him thinking he's the next 'Zinger. We'll see if he puts his money where his mouth is, but it sounds like he's pretty pumped and has finally found his mojo (or is low key worried about his minutes with Giles and Bagley ready to go - but whatever he needs to get motivated!).

I've often been critical of WCS, but we've all seen what he can do when he's focused. I'm rooting for him to turn it around next season. I have a soft spot for the weirdos!
WCS finding / coming to Jesus in a huge contract year??? wow im so shocked!!!! Money is his only motivator right now. it looks like his agent who also has a lot at stake has been coaching him on what to say.

im positive if it was up too WCS he'd probably still compare himself to the unicorn. he's no heart, no hustle, head in the clouds WCS
 

gunks

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WCS finding / coming to Jesus in a huge contract year??? wow im so shocked!!!! Money is his only motivator right now. it looks like his agent who also has a lot at stake has been coaching him on what to say.

im positive if it was up too WCS he'd probably still compare himself to the unicorn. he's no heart, no hustle, head in the clouds WCS
Haha, yeah I thought this too. We'll see though, some guys are late bloomers. I still have some hope that WCS figures it out. He has all the tools to be part of a 3 headed frontcourt monster with Giles and Bagley.

Definitely wouldn't want to overpay on am extension though!
 
So, in a recent radio interview, Trill basically called himself out for everything we've been calling him out for. From consistency to a lack of effort in the early part of last season. It was a pretty brutal self critique

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2018...ncy-from-himself-this-season-sacramento-kings

Talk is talk, but the self awareness is a far cry from him thinking he's the next 'Zinger. We'll see if he puts his money where his mouth is, but it sounds like he's pretty pumped and has finally found his mojo (or is low key worried about his minutes with Giles and Bagley ready to go - but whatever he needs to get motivated!).

I've often been critical of WCS, but we've all seen what he can do when he's focused. I'm rooting for him to turn it around next season. I have a soft spot for the weirdos!
We are really going to light it up this season behind giles and WCS front court and a upswing from Fox and Bog. with hield and b-jellys outside shooting to boot. I think you are spot on about WCS needing to get his crap together or being left for nothing with Giles and Bagley here. At a minimum he cant be outworked by two rookies

im going to enjoy us ruffling feathers in the west
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
So, in a recent radio interview, Trill basically called himself out for everything we've been calling him out for. From consistency to a lack of effort in the early part of last season. It was a pretty brutal self critique

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2018...ncy-from-himself-this-season-sacramento-kings

Talk is talk, but the self awareness is a far cry from him thinking he's the next 'Zinger. We'll see if he puts his money where his mouth is, but it sounds like he's pretty pumped and has finally found his mojo (or is low key worried about his minutes with Giles and Bagley ready to go - but whatever he needs to get motivated!).

I've often been critical of WCS, but we've all seen what he can do when he's focused. I'm rooting for him to turn it around next season. I have a soft spot for the weirdos!
Trill is the King of talk, every season we hear what we want to hear and/or he tells the media something inspiring. Point here is, it's a contract year and he knows it, the Kings know this too and it's easy to fall into a trap if he has a good season. The question is from what he shows this season, will it be enough for the Kings to invest long term?
 
So, in a recent radio interview, Trill basically called himself out for everything we've been calling him out for. From consistency to a lack of effort in the early part of last season. It was a pretty brutal self critique

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2018...ncy-from-himself-this-season-sacramento-kings

Talk is talk, but the self awareness is a far cry from him thinking he's the next 'Zinger. We'll see if he puts his money where his mouth is, but it sounds like he's pretty pumped and has finally found his mojo (or is low key worried about his minutes with Giles and Bagley ready to go - but whatever he needs to get motivated!).

I've often been critical of WCS, but we've all seen what he can do when he's focused. I'm rooting for him to turn it around next season. I have a soft spot for the weirdos!
Hate to be a skeptic in this case, but it probably has to do with it being his contract year. If we somehow re-sign him at a reasonable deal I can only hope for the best.
 
Haha, yeah I thought this too. We'll see though, some guys are late bloomers. I still have some hope that WCS figures it out. He has all the tools to be part of a 3 headed frontcourt monster with Giles and Bagley.

Definitely wouldn't want to overpay on am extension though!
He was a late bloomer in college. He needed extra years there. Then here. We may not have done him any favors in the beginning, but if a guy has the heart, motor and dedication he could have at the least been a good defensive player and rebounder all this time. He just isn't focused or self aware. You can't teach his natural athleticism and height. Bigs like him are a dime a dozen. They come and go all the time. They get chance after chance due to those natural gifts. He will stick around for awhile but as many have pointed out I expect Bagley, and Giles to beat him out at some point this year. They just are laser focused and such hard workers they will.... will themselves into the starting line up sooner than later with shear determination and hard work.
 
On a side note. I've been wrong before. I want it to be
Sorry, I'm no longer a part of this forum! Enjoy!
On a side note. I've been wrong before. LOL! and right too sometimes. Im not the GM but Willies story, going back to college and here leaves the odds stacked against him. I am truly pulling for him. I'm just a realist but would love nothing more than to see him figure it out. Not to mention would love the Kings to have not have wasted that pick.
 

VF21

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SME
It sounds to me like WCS is finally growing into the role of NBA player. It amuses me that some of you are so hostile towards him, as though you know with absolute certainty you would have handled the whole thing so much better than he.
 
It sounds to me like WCS is finally growing into the role of NBA player. It amuses me that some of you are so hostile towards him, as though you know with absolute certainty you would have handled the whole thing so much better than he.
I don't really see the linkage between how we as individuals would treat our jobs vs how you would expect a professional basketball player getting paid millions of dollars to take his job. And before Slim comes in and objects, there is absolutely a difference. Nonetheless, it's not a matter of "would I be a better professional than WCS", it's about WCS not being a professional. I understand where you're coming from in showing empathy, but empathy doesn't change his track record. And it's not like we're talking about not giving a ex-offender a second chance here, we're simply saying don't pay the guy with the poor track record $15 million a year just because he shores up his act in a contract year.
 
Willie has aspects to his game that are attractive, but how he applies those aspects to a basketball game and what is missing from his game leave a lot to be desired. I think he’s a poor bet to become a winning basketball player anywhere and a huge long shot to become one if the Kings pay him this summer.
 
To be fair VF21, you were chastising some Kings fans for being too negative regarding Papa G and Buhlar’s long term prospects. Perhaps you are taking issue with reasonable observations you don’t enjoy as opposed to unwarranted hostility.
 
I don't really see the linkage between how we as individuals would treat our jobs vs how you would expect a professional basketball player getting paid millions of dollars to take his job. And before Slim comes in and objects, there is absolutely a difference. Nonetheless, it's not a matter of "would I be a better professional than WCS", it's about WCS not being a professional. I understand where you're coming from in showing empathy, but empathy doesn't change his track record. And it's not like we're talking about not giving a ex-offender a second chance here, we're simply saying don't pay the guy with the poor track record $15 million a year just because he shores up his act in a contract year.

Not sure how millions of dollars changes your personality. It may change your habits, but it doesn't make you less human.

I'm not sure what his motivation is. It could be just the prospect of being unemployed gets him going more than the dollar figure itself. And if I were to put on my psychoanalyst hat, I'd bet he wants to be liked more than anything.

But back to actual basketball. The kid can play ball, but needs to be on a team where he isn't needed to carry a load. Needs to be a role player. A piece of a puzzle. One where the fanbase doesn't desperately need him to perform like a borderline all star. If he replaced Capella in Houston, I think he'd perform comparably.
 
There are a lot of people on this forum who see Willie as unredeemable; there were times last season where I felt that way about him. But sometimes a group forms organically on this forum and they begin piling on - usually on a player who has disappointed them. And that would be Willie. He doesn’t have a chance in this string where so many of you are exercising your social media rights. Fortunately for Willie, he still has time to redeem himself outside this string.
 
There are a lot of people on this forum who see Willie as unredeemable; there were times last season where I felt that way about him. But sometimes a group forms organically on this forum and they begin piling on - usually on a player who has disappointed them. And that would be Willie. He doesn’t have a chance in this string where so many of you are exercising your social media rights. Fortunately for Willie, he still has time to redeem himself outside this string.
You make it seem like there is this group of people out to get WCS for no reason.

He gives the best interview of the Kings players because he doesn't just stick to the cliche cookie cutter answers but he's also the boy who cried wolf because he always talks about how we're about to see this new and improved version of himself and so far it's just kind of been the same old Willie every time he's out there.

Can't give a pass to a guy who immediately tries to become the leader of the locker room once Cousins is traded and then realizes he can't because he's not working as hard as the other guys. He says the staff was telling him that he needed to do this or that but he was basically like "naw I'm good" because he thought his game his body were in perfectly good shape the way they were. Then it takes him until the season is halfway over to start putting in the work and now all the sudden during this offseason he loves basketball more than he ever has and is working harder than he ever has and we're going to get this new and improved version of himself.

I appreciate the guy's honesty and his self awareness is also respectable but his laziness and the lack of commitment concerns that he had coming out of the college and the concerns that us fans had about it for the last 3 years have basically been admitted to be true by him. Being irritated by all of that is just natural human behavior and has nothing to do with organically formed groups of individuals or people exercising social media rights. It has everything to do with the things he says and the things he does on the court. People know wasted talent when they see it and it's exponentially annoying to a fan base that doesn't get to come across talent all that often.
 
Not sure how millions of dollars changes your personality. It may change your habits, but it doesn't make you less human.
That's an interesting point, in that outside of the sports and entertainment world, the people who do earn millions of dollars are 99% extremely hardworking people. Not that sports/ entertainment people aren't, but in a sense if you're born 7 foot tall with great athleticism you're a whole lot closer to being paid in the multiple millions of dollars a year than the average joe. Or another example - tons of guys in the NBA who only started playing in high school, and in less than 5 years they are in the league earning millions, whereas most "normal" humans would have to work pretty hard for their long careers and wouldn't even sniff that kind of money.

And coupled with that then, is a very natural (and I'd say justifiable) expectation that basketball professionals act as such. That they'd treat their game seriously, just as you would expect anybody earning millions in their job to treat their's. Nobody likes a bum. If someone consistently performs poorly at work, they get fired or they don't get promoted etc. They sure as heck don't have people saying "be patient, he needs time to develop, it's ok that he has other interests outside of work" etc. We're expected to do our jobs well. It's perfectly fine not to, but don't expect to be rewarded for it. You wanna paint, sure! You don't wanna do what coach asks - props to you! But then let's not give the man a large paycheck after all that or pretend that he has a clean slate the moment he sings the right tune. In this situation, let's be extra wary that this is a contract year. Spencer Hawes played pretty well his contract year!
 
You make it seem like there is this group of people out to get WCS for no reason.

He gives the best interview of the Kings players because he doesn't just stick to the cliche cookie cutter answers but he's also the boy who cried wolf because he always talks about how we're about to see this new and improved version of himself and so far it's just kind of been the same old Willie every time he's out there.

Can't give a pass to a guy who immediately tries to become the leader of the locker room once Cousins is traded and then realizes he can't because he's not working as hard as the other guys. He says the staff was telling him that he needed to do this or that but he was basically like "naw I'm good" because he thought his game his body were in perfectly good shape the way they were. Then it takes him until the season is halfway over to start putting in the work and now all the sudden during this offseason he loves basketball more than he ever has and is working harder than he ever has and we're going to get this new and improved version of himself.

I appreciate the guy's honesty and his self awareness is also respectable but his laziness and the lack of commitment concerns that he had coming out of the college and the concerns that us fans had about it for the last 3 years have basically been admitted to be true by him. Being irritated by all of that is just natural human behavior and has nothing to do with organically formed groups of individuals or people exercising social media rights. It has everything to do with the things he says and the things he does on the court. People know wasted talent when they see it and it's exponentially annoying to a fan base that doesn't get to come across talent all that often.
For me it's also the fact that he's (and admittedly so!) not coachable. Came in his rookie season and already had a huge ego, disrespected his coach. Now he's saying even under Joerger's staff he didn't put in the effort to do as told. If he didn't listen and consistently performed it would be one thing, but for all the talk of being the next Porzingis he looks more like a Mikki Moore. Hey, I'm definitely not rooting for him to fail, and it'd be great if he truly turned things around, but excuse me for not being a 100% believer.
 
We drafted him as a project. I’m excited to see what we get out of Trill this year. The light might have gone on this summer. It could be fun...or frustrating. I just don’t get the hate - he seems like a decent dude.
 
That's an interesting point, in that outside of the sports and entertainment world, the people who do earn millions of dollars are 99% extremely hardworking people. Not that sports/ entertainment people aren't, but in a sense if you're born 7 foot tall with great athleticism you're a whole lot closer to being paid in the multiple millions of dollars a year than the average joe. Or another example - tons of guys in the NBA who only started playing in high school, and in less than 5 years they are in the league earning millions, whereas most "normal" humans would have to work pretty hard for their long careers and wouldn't even sniff that kind of money.

And coupled with that then, is a very natural (and I'd say justifiable) expectation that basketball professionals act as such. That they'd treat their game seriously, just as you would expect anybody earning millions in their job to treat their's. Nobody likes a bum. If someone consistently performs poorly at work, they get fired or they don't get promoted etc. They sure as heck don't have people saying "be patient, he needs time to develop, it's ok that he has other interests outside of work" etc. We're expected to do our jobs well. It's perfectly fine not to, but don't expect to be rewarded for it. You wanna paint, sure! You don't wanna do what coach asks - props to you! But then let's not give the man a large paycheck after all that or pretend that he has a clean slate the moment he sings the right tune. In this situation, let's be extra wary that this is a contract year. Spencer Hawes played pretty well his contract year!
I would have to disagree that 99% of millionaires work extremely hard. Some are born into situations that make it a bit easier. Some already start off a little wealthier than the next guy. Or gets a boost from a little nepotism. I know we have a built in cultural thought of if we just work hard every day we will be successful. It's a little more complicated than that. Our initial circumstances play a huge role. You just said so yourself.

There are thousands of ex college athletes who didn't make it to the pros. Tall guys. 6'5 and above. Physically gifted men. Then there are the few who do get drafted into the NBA and earn multi-million dollar contracts. WCS beat out tons of other tall athletes and was drafted into the NBA. He wasn't given anything. He earned that. If a billion dollar organization does their research and decides to pay WCS whatever they decide, then that is what he deserves. He is earning the market rate, no matter how jealous you or I are of him.

When these ball players don't live up to our expectations, the default accusation has been that they're either dumb or lazy. To me, that is lazy analysis. No matter what he wants or what Kings fans want, WCS is not a superstar level talent. Not an all-star level talent. He's a good NBA player with flaws like the majority of players in the league.
 
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When these ball players don't live up to our expectations, the default accusation has been that they're either dumb or lazy. Too me, that is lazy analysis. No matter what he wants or what Kings fans want, WCS is not a superstar level talent. Not an all-star level talent. He's a good NBA player with flaws like the majority of players in the league.
I agree with you 100% there but in this case, WCS basically admitted to being lazy so it's fair to label him as such until he proves otherwise.