Free Agency Thread - 2018

Kingster

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I won't argue that they weren't interested, but they clearly weren't all that committed to him. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the Kings could have easily committed more to him both financially and in on court opportunities. I think the Kings either didn't see him as valuable as the Knicks or they wanted him at similar numbers but more years to grow him with their core and Mario wanted to flash this year and get paid.
If I'm in Divac's shoes I'm not offering a one-year contract to anybody. That's just a bus stop until something better comes along next year. The Kings need more of a longer term commitment for a young core.
 

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Hood would be a disaster signing. Basically a complete copy skill-set of Bogdan/Buddy, just worse and far more expensive.

Spend the money on a Smart/Anderson. Let's actually address some team weaknesses.
Hood is a legit 6'8" SF who can both defend and put up good numbers. He's not even close to Bogs or Buddy.
 
I am Suggesting bradley as a back-up guard (not a sf). Im looking at bradley as a backup pg but really fox and bogi as main facilitators.

I want to see some defensive improvements. Year after year we have horrible perimeter defense amd no, bradley will not make it all better, but a step in the rigjt direction is what i would personally love to see.

What other "solid" perimeter defenders are out there for sf and backup pg?

Everyone has their opinion
My suggestions are bradley and mbah a moute (and yes i remember the whole knee/physical ordeal)

Bradley as a backup? Sorry, he’s better than both Bogi and Hield. He’s not coming here to come off the bench. One of the aforementioned will have to be moved.
 
Hood is a legit 6'8" SF who can both defend and put up good numbers. He's not even close to Bogs or Buddy.
Disagree. Hood is more of a SG because he lacks strength at SF. Yeah he's 6'8, but he's only 206lbs and has never been able to put on extra strength nor weight since entering the NBA 4 years ago. I think that's a good sign that he's physically capped.
 
Hood is a legit 6'8" SF who can both defend and put up good numbers. He's not even close to Bogs or Buddy.

A disaster? Hood? Far from. His usage went down significantly in Cleveland. They made Hood a spot shooter. He’s not. People just dismiss his previous 4 years in Utah. He’s not spectacular. But with minutes he can definitely give you 20 a game. If you don’t include his very very short stint in Cleveland, he’s solid.

Not only that, he’s a great man on man defender.
Has an 8’7 vertical. People knock his Size. Just check out his stats against 3 pt shooters. He’s a shut down perimeter defender. Bogi and Hield are not even close. In fact their both terrible perimeter defenders.
Hood would automatically improve one of the Kings biggest weaknesses.
 

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Disagree. Hood is more of a SG because he lacks strength at SF. Yeah he's 6'8, but he's only 206lbs and has never been able to put on extra strength nor weight since entering the NBA 4 years ago. I think that's a good sign that he's physically capped.
It's probably moot anyway because I don't see the Cavs letting any restricted agent go after having LBJ leave them.

Jackson is 210 lbs. Does he make the cut or is he a SG? Tayshaun Prince was 6'9", 216 lbs. Does he make the cut or should we call him a SG? I've never seen a minimum weight per inch of height requirement in the definition of small forward.
 
It's probably moot anyway because I don't see the Cavs letting any restricted agent go after having LBJ leave them.

Jackson is 210 lbs. Does he make the cut or is he a SG? Tayshaun Prince was 6'9", 216 lbs. Does he make the cut or should we call him a SG? I've never seen a minimum weight per inch of height requirement in the definition of small forward.
I think JJ is a SG right now until he gets stronger.
Hood has played all 4 season at SG. He's not a SF. Him being 6'8 is a plus, but it doesn't make him a SF.

Can Hood physically match up against Lebron, Durant, George, Kawhi, Middleton, Harris, etc? Just because he's 6'8 doesn't mean he's a SF.

I'm sorry, but where do you get this idea of him being a "legit 6'8 SF" when he's never played SF? Hood was a big defensive liability in Utah. There's a reason why they had no problem giving him up for a worse offensive player in Jae Crowder.
 
I think JJ is a SG right now until he gets stronger.
Hood has played all 4 season at SG. He's not a SF. Him being 6'8 is a plus, but it doesn't make him a SF.

Can Hood physically match up against Lebron, Durant, George, Kawhi, Middleton, Harris, etc? Just because he's 6'8 doesn't mean he's a SF.

I'm sorry, but where do you get this idea of him being a "legit 6'8 SF" when he's never played SF? Hood was a big defensive liability in Utah. There's a reason why they had no problem giving him up for a worse offensive player in Jae Crowder.
Durant, Middleton and George yes the other three probably not because they are all Bulls and are the three strongest SFs (Harris bascially plays PF) in the NBA, in I think game 3 or 4 of the finals when Hood was being really physical he was bullying at times the likes of KD around the rim. He can for sure play SF in today's NBA.

He was scoring over Jordan Bell, backing down Draymond Green, over KD and Livingston

Prior to this season I don't think there would have been a person on here they didn't want Hood on the Kings
 
If vlade strikes out he needs to be fired. Sorry, he mortgaged our pick next year in hopes we would be a decent team and he failed. We have cap space nobody wants and a bunch of young guys who will leave when they finish their rookie contracts.

If he does nothing it's disappointing. Getting back into the next draft by helping some other teams save some money is what they should have been doing for 2 years and what they should look to be doing now. If the Lakers don't get anything of worth to put around LeBron this year it doesn't change the fact that the west just most likely got locked up amongst 3 teams for the next 2-3 years. The Kings need to commit to the youth, get more picks, and wait for those teams to decline.
 
Durant, Middleton and George yes the other three probably not because they are all Bulls and are the three strongest SFs (Harris bascially plays PF) in the NBA, in I think game 3 or 4 of the finals when Hood was being really physical he was bullying at times the likes of KD around the rim. He can for sure play SF in today's NBA.

He was scoring over Jordan Bell, backing down Draymond Green, over KD and Livingston
This is 1 game vs his previous 4 season in Utah and Cleveland. I've seen many Jazz fans complain about his defense. It's not effort, he's just not good. Ala Ben. When he's on SFs, he lacks strength..only 206lbs, wingspan is mediocre, 6'8, and he's not a physical player.

He doesn't have the strength to contains SFs. There's a reason why Utah had no problem trading him for Jae Crowder who looked horrible in Cleveland. Keep in mind, this was during Utah's serious playoff run.
 
This is 1 game vs his previous 4 season in Utah and Cleveland. I've seen many Jazz fans complain about his defense. It's not effort, he's just not good. Ala Ben. When he's on SFs, he lacks strength..only 206lbs, wingspan is mediocre, 6'8, and he's not a physical player.

He doesn't have the strength to contains SFs. There's a reason why Utah had no problem trading him for Jae Crowder who looked horrible in Cleveland. Keep in mind, this was during Utah's serious playoff run.
I really don't see anyone better aside from Anderson we can sign to be a SF right now and if Hood comes back to what his first 4 season were he will actually make opposing SF's work to stop him and expend there energy that way. Every single SF Hood will have trouble guarding with strength basically 90% of other SF's would as well. A lot of people (not saying you) wanted Mario who is garbage on D and has not shown anymore near the overall offensive game Hood has, Hood was a good scorer on a playoff team Mario could not beat out anyone at his spot for the majority of his career on a lottery team.
 
Hood is a legit 6'8" SF who can both defend and put up good numbers. He's not even close to
Hood is a legit 6'8" SF who can both defend and put up good numbers. He's not even close to Bogs or Buddy.
Bogs or Buddy.
54% TS

Very meh. Considering his USG rate, it's not terrible, but it's not particularly good either.

24% USG
8% TOV


Excellent ratio here, but USG rate makes it a more awkward fit. Bagley/Fox/Bogdan/Buddy are and should soak up most of our USG this season. We should be looking for offensive compliments to those 4, not trying to jam in a 5th piece.

5.7% TRB
9.7% AST


Just total non-factors here. For Context, he and Kosta Kofus had the exact same AST rate last season. Bogdan was at 18% while Buddy was at 12.8%.

ORPM -0.49 ranked 45th out of 108 SG's
DRPM: -3.74 ranked 105th out of 108 SG's


Utah On/Off:

Offense: -4.1
Defense: +7.9

Jazz were -12 with him on the court.

Cleveland On/Off

Offense: +2.8
Defense: +2.3

Cavs were +0.5 with him on the court.

So the numbers tell us he's probably somewhere around an average offensive scorer (not player, scorer) that's a complete defensive sieve. How is that something we need again?
 
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I'd much rather just roll with a JJ and try and find a diamond in the rough with Sampson/Hayes/Gabriel type of flier as our SF rotation next year than overpay for Hood. JJ is cheap and theoretically has the tool-kit to be a productive NBA player while showing us some glimpses at the end of last year. I know what Hood is and he's just not a productive basketball player that contributes to winning.
 
I really don't see anyone better aside from Anderson we can sign to be a SF right now and if Hood comes back to what his first 4 season were he will actually make opposing SF's work to stop him and expend there energy that way. Every single SF Hood will have trouble guarding with strength basically 90% of other SF's would as well. A lot of people (not saying you) wanted Mario who is garbage on D and has not shown anymore near the overall offensive game Hood has, Hood was a good scorer on a playoff team Mario could not beat out anyone at his spot for the majority of his career on a lottery team.
Right now, the Kings are kinda SOL on the SF market. I think Hood is a good, but inconsistent player. I'd be ok with a 1yr, but I wouldn't want to commit to him long-term. I also wouldn't want us to panic and overpay someone.

I think we'll just have to wait and see.
 
Right now, the Kings are kinda SOL on the SF market. I think Hood is a good, but inconsistent player. I'd be ok with a 1yr, but I wouldn't want to commit to him long-term. I also wouldn't want us to panic and overpay someone.

I think we'll just have to wait and see.
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If he does nothing it's disappointing. Getting back into the next draft by helping some other teams save some money is what they should have been doing for 2 years and what they should look to be doing now. If the Lakers don't get anything of worth to put around LeBron this year it doesn't change the fact that the west just most likely got locked up amongst 3 teams for the next 2-3 years. The Kings need to commit to the youth, get more picks, and wait for those teams to decline.
Except you know that those teams are going to keep making trades and restock their talent. It is an endless cycle
 
buddy's career high is 30.. bogdan 25.... rodney hood once dropped 30 in the first half of an NBa game.....


and would've had an easy 50 but it was a major blowout and quinn snyder called off the dogs early.

 

HndsmCelt

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If I'm in Divac's shoes I'm not offering a one-year contract to anybody. That's just a bus stop until something better comes along next year. The Kings need more of a longer term commitment for a young core.
That assumes a young talented player is available and willing to sign. I for one will not be disappointed if Vlade signs an old vet 2 a one-year contract that takes up a big chunk of the available cash as a savings account for next season. Let the kids play, see how things shake out cut the Deadwood and go shopping next year when you know exactly what you need and the market will be even tighter in terms of teams with a lot of cash.
 
In a couple of years I'd have four good 3 point shooters (Fox, Giles, Bagley and Gordon) and one very good outside shooter (Bogs) with another very good shooter (Hield) coming off the bench. That's plenty good enough when you have that kind of athleticism on the floor.
I like your optimism

 
I really think if we got Nik Vucavic in a trade he would open up a lot more options at SF because he can space the floor and we could even get a Winslow/MKG/Anderson defensive specialist type and somewhat make it work. If we are building around Fox/Bagley than we basically need spacing from SF (Chandler?)/SG (Buddy/Bogie) and C.
 

Kingster

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54% TS

Very meh. Considering his USG rate, it's not terrible, but it's not particularly good either.

24% USG
8% TOV


Excellent ratio here, but USG rate makes it a more awkward fit. Bagley/Fox/Bogdan/Buddy are and should soak up most of our USG this season. We should be looking for offensive compliments to those 4, not trying to jam in a 5th piece.

5.7% TRB
9.7% AST


Just total non-factors here. For Context, he and Kosta Kofus had the exact same AST rate last season. Bogdan was at 18% while Buddy was at 12.8%.

ORPM -0.49 ranked 45th out of 108 SG's
DRPM: -3.74 ranked 105th out of 108 SG's


Utah On/Off:

Offense: -4.1
Defense: +7.9

Jazz were -12 with him on the court.

Cleveland On/Off

Offense: +2.8
Defense: +2.3

Cavs were +0.5 with him on the court.

So the numbers tell us he's probably somewhere around an average offensive scorer (not player, scorer) that's a complete defensive sieve. How is that something we need again?
Plus/minuses are meaningless unless you know he's on the court with.
 
I'm warming up to the idea of signing Marcus Smart. Although he isn't the size of a SF, he absolutely has the strength and length to guard opposing teams best player 1-3. He was the best defender on a team full of good defenders and would bring a toughness to this team i think we desperately need. Bogie can play the 3 if he isn't in charge of guarding the Lebron/kawhi of the world. Marcus Smart would essentially inherit the "Doug Christie" role on this team and I think that would be a very smart move by Vlade.