Luka Doncic (pre and post-draft discussion thread)
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There is a lot more to physical training than just strength and stamina. There are programs that exist to specifically target fast twitch muscle fibers, if that's what one's goal is. You are selling the field of physical training very short. Feel free to do some research, it's there for anyone that's interested. Like I said earlier though, he won't become a LeBron level athlete but to say that his athletic ability won't improve at 19 years old is incorrect.
Look at Ron Artest for example. The guy was built like a Mack truck, but I wouldn't say he was all that athletic. At one point before his career melted away he was primed to be one of the best 2 way players in the league. I'm also one that's willing to wait to hear some actual facts of how quick or slow Luka is. It could be that he just prefers to play that way and that he is more athletic than he looks. He's not Bigfoot out there. The Kings would certainly be able to assist in making Luka faster, stronger, and quicker on the court.
Look at Ron Artest for example. The guy was built like a Mack truck, but I wouldn't say he was all that athletic. At one point before his career melted away he was primed to be one of the best 2 way players in the league. I'm also one that's willing to wait to hear some actual facts of how quick or slow Luka is. It could be that he just prefers to play that way and that he is more athletic than he looks. He's not Bigfoot out there. The Kings would certainly be able to assist in making Luka faster, stronger, and quicker on the court.
While we're on the subject of Hayward, when he was coming out of Butler he was considered a questionable athlete (albeit probably still moreso than Doncic, first step particularly), a few years in with Utah I heard him getting called "sneaky" athletic, and nowadays he's considered a fairly athletic wing.
I don't get this. Doncic and Ayton are the 1A and 1B prospects of this draft. Considering the fact that we've picked Jimmer, Papagiannis, Stauskas, and Jason Thompson in the past decade, I figured we as a whole would be more adverse to reaching.
I don't get this. Doncic and Ayton are the 1A and 1B prospects of this draft. Considering the fact that we've picked Jimmer, Papagiannis, Stauskas, and Jason Thompson in the past decade, I figured we as a whole would be more adverse to reaching.
No it's not because quick twitch explosion is obviously desirable but the NBA has turned into a league where skill and basketball IQ are way more important than being an explosive leaper. Doncic 's skill and basketball IQ is at a special level for a 19 year old. The view that he is a terrible athlete are just flat wrong for many reasons. Good luck finding an elite athete by your standards with the feel for the game that Doncic has, LeBron ain't walking through that door.
Yeah it's obvious we're not drafting LeBron at #2 this year. I feel like the Luka fans here can't even admit that he's gonna be limited in the NBA by lack of elite athleticism. Thought that was pretty obvious. With his size and skill level he would literally be LeBron if he was an elite athlete too.
It's not my standards, it's NBA standards. Luka will be a sub par athlete on the wing in the NBA. Debating that is crazy because as I said the rest of his game profiles as LeBron lol. Seems to me like we're looking at a hayward or ginobli and like I said that's good enough for me at #2. Only guy I'm possibly putting over him (aside from Ayton) is mpj.
It's not my standards, it's NBA standards. Luka will be a sub par athlete on the wing in the NBA. Debating that is crazy because as I said the rest of his game profiles as LeBron lol. Seems to me like we're looking at a hayward or ginobli and like I said that's good enough for me at #2. Only guy I'm possibly putting over him (aside from Ayton) is mpj.
He's not suggesting Doncic has an unlimited ceiling, he's saying that his athletic ability isn't maxed out yet. That much is pretty obvious from looking at him. Looks like you are picking on his last sentence, which clearly wasn't the salient point.
I'm in the gym regularly, I'm well aware how it works. Doncic is not going to be a freak athlete, but he's already faster than most guys his size (wait and see) and he can definitely get stronger and more explosive. If you're a PT, I'm going to assume you'll agree with that much.
I'm in the gym regularly, I'm well aware how it works. Doncic is not going to be a freak athlete, but he's already faster than most guys his size (wait and see) and he can definitely get stronger and more explosive. If you're a PT, I'm going to assume you'll agree with that much.
The Hayward scenario is real. If Doncic is good enough to ge them to the playoffs but not any further, and then demand 35mil a year, the kings are gonna be stuck between hell and high water.
Of course it is. You sound heavily biased. Basketball isn't just offense, i swear some of y'all would love enes kanter he's skilled and efficient and cant defend and paid handsomely.
To be a decent defender in the nba it requires a great deal of athleticism, especially for a starter..
Doncic is gonna be at SF matching up with KD and Paul George, Kahwi etc, he's gonna be at a severe athletic disadvantage attempting to check them. Brandon Ingram, ina few years Doncic wont be able to provide much resistance vs him either. Josh Jackson is a complete nightmare matchup for Luka.........
Did Utah make the wrong choice of the more Athletic Gobert over the more skilled kanter?
Of course it is. You sound heavily biased. Basketball isn't just offense, i swear some of y'all would love enes kanter he's skilled and efficient and cant defend and paid handsomely.
To be a decent defender in the nba it requires a great deal of athleticism, especially for a starter..
Doncic is gonna be at SF matching up with KD and Paul George, Kahwi etc, he's gonna be at a severe athletic disadvantage attempting to check them. Brandon Ingram, ina few years Doncic wont be able to provide much resistance vs him either. Josh Jackson is a complete nightmare matchup for Luka.........
Did Utah make the wrong choice of the more Athletic Gobert over the more skilled kanter?
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Better passing Hayward is a great player. More valuable than little worse Karl-Anthony Towns (which seems to be a reasonable good scenario for Ayton).
No he is not. Why would he be? One thing people dont always understand is that there aren't strict positions anymore. There are no more Sg, Sf and Pf. Those are usually just wings. 6'5-6'9 versatile players. If we draft Doncic, we sure as hell wont put him defending Lebron, Kd and PG. We have to get a guy to take that matchup and start him as "pf".
No but thats because bad defending big men in general are pretty worthless. One reason to be cautious with Ayton or Bagley. Offense with Ayton, Fox and three shooters could be great but defense with Ayton would most likely suck because non defending centers will always get destroyed
No he is not. Why would he be? One thing people dont always understand is that there aren't strict positions anymore. There are no more Sg, Sf and Pf. Those are usually just wings. 6'5-6'9 versatile players. If we draft Doncic, we sure as hell wont put him defending Lebron, Kd and PG. We have to get a guy to take that matchup and start him as "pf".
No but thats because bad defending big men in general are pretty worthless. One reason to be cautious with Ayton or Bagley. Offense with Ayton, Fox and three shooters could be great but defense with Ayton would most likely suck because non defending centers will always get destroyed
Doncic burner account? no , to obvious?
I been following him since he was 13 (already he was seen as the prodigy) and this date is available to everybody.
He´s wingspan is 6-11 reportedly but nothinng official..
https://elpais.com/deportes/2017/02/15/actualidad/1487163390_674923.html
Height wise he may well be 6-9.In the interview for leading Spanish newspaper befor his 18 birthday he said that he was 202 cm(6-7.5)without shoes and he thinks that he will grow a little bit more.No reason to lie , its not like interview for El Pais would help his draft stock.And this was more then year ago. Even if he didn´t grow anything since he is 6-8 + , much bigger then people realize.
One thing to add about his physical attributes. is that he has those Grant Hill huge hands , he palms the ball whit easy and often as product of that he carries the ball when dribling but he does it Harden like so it´s not called often.It helps with deflections and rebounds also.
He has good physical profile to be a 6-9 bully with guard skill , yust needs to get on that Oladipo diet.
He improved his vertical by 2 inches yust in few weeks working in P3 , since then without time to go back and time for recovery he detrited.If you look his eurobasket highlights he looks more athletic then in Aprile,May (80 + games , and not beaing able to work individually on his body).
Not that he will become LBJ but there is definitely another gear.For someone is weird that organisation like Real Madrid wouldun´t put more emphasis on that but its diffrent mentality.He˙s spending more time in video room watching euroleague opponents then working in gym because for Madrid the most important thing is Madrid and there not in business of developing players for nba.
Also hard to compare him with Hayward.Gordon year older as sophomore in Butler was a 207 lbs , well short of Doncic mass that his carring , his profile is closer to Carmelo/Joe Johnson when ther were 18/19 year old,yes inter racial comparision are possible
What´s not possible is to find the 18 year old whit that amount of skill,moves,footwork,IQ.Players that smart at advance age(Harden,Curry)showed ability to improve on faster level then most player,because the game comes already so easy for them. Luka physical improvement over next few years will determine what level of player he can be , all star or something more special.And wide shoulders like i am not sure will it help him like Hardens huge chest but sometimes you can see in pick and roll situation him putting opoppents in jail and i guess that wide framer comes handy.
Ideally you will have a player who will be able to punish smaller guards and kill forwards on picks(not to many 6-8 guys with that ability) his iso scoring especially in switching will be determand by his outside shoot , stepback is good , but it can be much better.Combine with his passion for the game and his motor , you would bet on him maximizing his potential.
I would love to see that on Sacramento , Fox and him are polar opposite and it would benefit both of them.
I been following him since he was 13 (already he was seen as the prodigy) and this date is available to everybody.
He´s wingspan is 6-11 reportedly but nothinng official..
https://elpais.com/deportes/2017/02/15/actualidad/1487163390_674923.html
Height wise he may well be 6-9.In the interview for leading Spanish newspaper befor his 18 birthday he said that he was 202 cm(6-7.5)without shoes and he thinks that he will grow a little bit more.No reason to lie , its not like interview for El Pais would help his draft stock.And this was more then year ago. Even if he didn´t grow anything since he is 6-8 + , much bigger then people realize.
One thing to add about his physical attributes. is that he has those Grant Hill huge hands , he palms the ball whit easy and often as product of that he carries the ball when dribling but he does it Harden like so it´s not called often.It helps with deflections and rebounds also.
He has good physical profile to be a 6-9 bully with guard skill , yust needs to get on that Oladipo diet.
He improved his vertical by 2 inches yust in few weeks working in P3 , since then without time to go back and time for recovery he detrited.If you look his eurobasket highlights he looks more athletic then in Aprile,May (80 + games , and not beaing able to work individually on his body).
Not that he will become LBJ but there is definitely another gear.For someone is weird that organisation like Real Madrid wouldun´t put more emphasis on that but its diffrent mentality.He˙s spending more time in video room watching euroleague opponents then working in gym because for Madrid the most important thing is Madrid and there not in business of developing players for nba.
Also hard to compare him with Hayward.Gordon year older as sophomore in Butler was a 207 lbs , well short of Doncic mass that his carring , his profile is closer to Carmelo/Joe Johnson when ther were 18/19 year old,yes inter racial comparision are possible
What´s not possible is to find the 18 year old whit that amount of skill,moves,footwork,IQ.Players that smart at advance age(Harden,Curry)showed ability to improve on faster level then most player,because the game comes already so easy for them. Luka physical improvement over next few years will determine what level of player he can be , all star or something more special.And wide shoulders like i am not sure will it help him like Hardens huge chest but sometimes you can see in pick and roll situation him putting opoppents in jail and i guess that wide framer comes handy.Ideally you will have a player who will be able to punish smaller guards and kill forwards on picks(not to many 6-8 guys with that ability) his iso scoring especially in switching will be determand by his outside shoot , stepback is good , but it can be much better.Combine with his passion for the game and his motor , you would bet on him maximizing his potential.
I would love to see that on Sacramento , Fox and him are polar opposite and it would benefit both of them.
You can become a solid defender if you aren't the greatest athlete. Defense is 70% awareness, knowing the tendencies of the player your guarding, reading what the offensive team is trying to do, all stuff that is tied to basketball IQ. Doncic also has a big frame to add strength to, I don't think he will be bullied by wings once he fills out. He's probably gonna struggle laterally, which will come into play if he gets switched onto guards but you're drafting him for the hope his style of play is the kind that can change the culture of a team. Tim Duncan, Marc Gasol, Shane Battier were all great defenders but not great athletes, they just understand the game at a high level. Heck Draymond Green isn't a great athlete and he is probably the best defensive player in the league right now just because he reads the game and gives effort and an astounding level.
I don’t think anyone is discounting it. But it cuts 2 ways. Is he using that skill set to get his shot off at the Euro level because he isn’t athletic enough to create space without it?
Let me use Fox as an example. He has limited offensive skills but he can create space by blowing by people and the quickly stopping for his shot.
I don’t remember Luka blowing by people in Europe. No granted it’s 2 Games and not definitive that he can’t but if I’m the Kings I looking for some evidence he can create space against Euro players without relying on his step back.
Let me use Fox as an example. He has limited offensive skills but he can create space by blowing by people and the quickly stopping for his shot.
I don’t remember Luka blowing by people in Europe. No granted it’s 2 Games and not definitive that he can’t but if I’m the Kings I looking for some evidence he can create space against Euro players without relying on his step back.
Doncic burner account? no , to obvious?
I been following him since he was 13 (already he was seen as the prodigy) and this date is available toeverybody.
He´swingspan is 6-11 reportedly but nothinng official..
https://elpais.com/deportes/2017/02/15/actualidad/1487163390_674923.html
Height wise he may well be 6-9.In the interview for leading Spanish newspaper befor his 18 birthday he said that he was 202 cm(6-7.5)without shoes and he thinks that he will grow a little bit more.No reason to lie , its not like interview for El Pais would help his draft stock.And this was more then year ago. Even if he didn´t grow anything since he is 6-8 + , much bigger then people realize.
One thing to add about his physical attributes. is that he has those Grant Hill huge hands , he palms the ball whit easy and often as product of that he carries the ball when dribling but he does it Harden like so it´s not called often.It helps with deflections and rebounds also.
He has good physical profile to be a 6-9 bully with guard skill , yust needs to get on that Oladipo diet.
He improved his vertical by 2 inches yust in few weeks working in P3 , since then without time to go back and time for recovery he detrited.Ifyou look his eurobasket highlights he looks more athletic then in Aprile,May (80 + games , and not beaing able to work individually on his body).
Not that he will become LBJ but there is definitely another gear.For someone is weird that organisation like Real Madrid wouldun´t put more emphasis on that but its diffrent mentality.He˙s spending more time in video room watching euroleague opponents then working in gym because for Madrid the most important thing is Madrid and there not in business of developing players for nba.
Also hard to compare him with Hayward.Gordon year older as sophomore in Butler was a 207 lbs , well short of Doncic mass that his carring , his profile is closer to Carmelo/Joe Johnson when ther were 18/19 year old,yes inter racial comparision are possible What´snot possible is to find the 18 year old whit that amount of skill,moves,footwork,IQ.Players that smart at advance age(Harden,Curry)showed ability to improve on faster level then most player,because the game comes already so easy for them. Luka physical improvement over next few years will determine what level of player he can be , all star or something more special.And wide shoulders like i am not sure will it help him like Hardens huge chest but sometimes you can see in pick and roll situation him putting opoppents in jail and i guess that wide framer comes handy.
Ideally you will have a player who will be able to punish smaller guards and kill forwards on picks(not to many 6-8 guys with that ability) his iso scoring especially in switching will be determand by his outside shoot , stepback is good , but it can be much better.Combine with his passion for the game and his motor , you would bet on him maximizing his potential.
I would love to see that on Sacramento , Fox and him are polar opposite and it would benefit both of them.
I been following him since he was 13 (already he was seen as the prodigy) and this date is available toeverybody.
He´swingspan is 6-11 reportedly but nothinng official..
https://elpais.com/deportes/2017/02/15/actualidad/1487163390_674923.html
Height wise he may well be 6-9.In the interview for leading Spanish newspaper befor his 18 birthday he said that he was 202 cm(6-7.5)without shoes and he thinks that he will grow a little bit more.No reason to lie , its not like interview for El Pais would help his draft stock.And this was more then year ago. Even if he didn´t grow anything since he is 6-8 + , much bigger then people realize.
One thing to add about his physical attributes. is that he has those Grant Hill huge hands , he palms the ball whit easy and often as product of that he carries the ball when dribling but he does it Harden like so it´s not called often.It helps with deflections and rebounds also.
He has good physical profile to be a 6-9 bully with guard skill , yust needs to get on that Oladipo diet.
He improved his vertical by 2 inches yust in few weeks working in P3 , since then without time to go back and time for recovery he detrited.Ifyou look his eurobasket highlights he looks more athletic then in Aprile,May (80 + games , and not beaing able to work individually on his body).
Not that he will become LBJ but there is definitely another gear.For someone is weird that organisation like Real Madrid wouldun´t put more emphasis on that but its diffrent mentality.He˙s spending more time in video room watching euroleague opponents then working in gym because for Madrid the most important thing is Madrid and there not in business of developing players for nba.
Also hard to compare him with Hayward.Gordon year older as sophomore in Butler was a 207 lbs , well short of Doncic mass that his carring , his profile is closer to Carmelo/Joe Johnson when ther were 18/19 year old,yes inter racial comparision are possible
What´snot possible is to find the 18 year old whit that amount of skill,moves,footwork,IQ.Players that smart at advance age(Harden,Curry)showed ability to improve on faster level then most player,because the game comes already so easy for them. Luka physical improvement over next few years will determine what level of player he can be , all star or something more special.And wide shoulders like i am not sure will it help him like Hardens huge chest but sometimes you can see in pick and roll situation him putting opoppents in jail and i guess that wide framer comes handy.Ideally you will have a player who will be able to punish smaller guards and kill forwards on picks(not to many 6-8 guys with that ability) his iso scoring especially in switching will be determand by his outside shoot , stepback is good , but it can be much better.Combine with his passion for the game and his motor , you would bet on him maximizing his potential.
I would love to see that on Sacramento , Fox and him are polar opposite and it would benefit both of them.
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