Deadline Deals
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I think the Spurs may be interested in George Hill, if Tony Parker doesn't make a full recovery from his injury this year.
I can see the Spurs giving up their late 1st rounder this or next year for Hill, if Parker is not back to form by January or the trade deadline. Other players or teams would need to be involved though.
Hill was an all time favorite of Popovich.
I can see the Spurs giving up their late 1st rounder this or next year for Hill, if Parker is not back to form by January or the trade deadline. Other players or teams would need to be involved though.
Hill was an all time favorite of Popovich.
espn trade machine doesn't work as you can't trade Hill yet but I tried to match George's salary with other players and it works if we trade him for Parker and Bertans.
We can then maybe go ahead with the Malachi for Hezonja trade and then release the VC to go to the raps.
C - WCS/2K/Papa
PF - ZBo/Skal/Giles/Cooley
SF - Jackson/Hezonja/Bertans/Sampson
SG - BB8/Hield/Temple
PG - Fox/Parker/Mason III
Parker would be a good mentor for Fox to round the season out.
And maybe... if Parker wants to take up a back up mentor role, he can be back next season
We can then maybe go ahead with the Malachi for Hezonja trade and then release the VC to go to the raps.
C - WCS/2K/Papa
PF - ZBo/Skal/Giles/Cooley
SF - Jackson/Hezonja/Bertans/Sampson
SG - BB8/Hield/Temple
PG - Fox/Parker/Mason III
Parker would be a good mentor for Fox to round the season out.
And maybe... if Parker wants to take up a back up mentor role, he can be back next season
WCS+Buddy Hield for Jabari Parker.
Why Kings do it: I think Parker can be a franchise player...but of course, the biggest question marks surrounds his health. He has a higher ceiling than Buddy and WCS. I'd rather take 1 franchise player over 2 solid starting NBA players. Carmelo Anthony over Eric Gordon and Tyson Chandler. In 51 games last year, he averaged 20pts 6rebs 2.8asts on 49/36.5/74. He's going to be a RFA at the end of this season, but he's only 22.
Why Bucks do it: Parker's long-term health might make them reluctant to give him a max contract. In Buddy, they get a good backup SG who can produce right away for their playoff push. Plus, he's still only in year 2 of his rookie contract. WCS will provide rim protection and defensive versatility for the Bucks. They actually have solid/good perimeter defenders in Middleton, Snell, Brogdon, and Bledsoe(when he tries). Willie could focus solely on protecting the rim and grabbing rebounds. Change of scenery could lit something under him. Their age frames lineup with their entire core. Here's their ages at the end of the calendar year: Giannis 23, Middleton 26, Brogdon 25, Snell 25, and Bledsoe 28. Buddy 24 and WCS 24. The biggest appeasement in both players is the fact that both Buddy and WCS are in their rookie deals, and they're around the age where they're entering their prime.
Why Kings do it: I think Parker can be a franchise player...but of course, the biggest question marks surrounds his health. He has a higher ceiling than Buddy and WCS. I'd rather take 1 franchise player over 2 solid starting NBA players. Carmelo Anthony over Eric Gordon and Tyson Chandler. In 51 games last year, he averaged 20pts 6rebs 2.8asts on 49/36.5/74. He's going to be a RFA at the end of this season, but he's only 22.
Why Bucks do it: Parker's long-term health might make them reluctant to give him a max contract. In Buddy, they get a good backup SG who can produce right away for their playoff push. Plus, he's still only in year 2 of his rookie contract. WCS will provide rim protection and defensive versatility for the Bucks. They actually have solid/good perimeter defenders in Middleton, Snell, Brogdon, and Bledsoe(when he tries). Willie could focus solely on protecting the rim and grabbing rebounds. Change of scenery could lit something under him. Their age frames lineup with their entire core. Here's their ages at the end of the calendar year: Giannis 23, Middleton 26, Brogdon 25, Snell 25, and Bledsoe 28. Buddy 24 and WCS 24. The biggest appeasement in both players is the fact that both Buddy and WCS are in their rookie deals, and they're around the age where they're entering their prime.
I like this idea a lot. Very interested in what Bucks fans would think about it but we need more elite talent on this team and Jabari can definitely be that type of player.
Personally, I don't think the Bucks would do it. They already have Maker as a young defensive C to develop while also having Henson on the books for another 3 years at $10 mil per year. As for Hield, their perimeter depth chart looks like:
Bledsoe / Dellavedova
Brogdon / Vaughn
Middleton / Snell
I'm not sure where I see Hield fitting in there. with Bledsoe, Dellavedova, Brogdon, Middleton, & Snell as the 5 man wing rotation with Vaughn as their young SG that they are developing. Hield would now be competing with that 6th spot and probably not provide a lot of value at the moment. I think they would be most interested in Labissiere in a trade that includes Parker. Gives them another high upside guy who can play PF with Maker or even C (after getting stronger) with Giannis. We have a limited amount of high upside guys as it is so I would be hesitant to give Labissiere up.
Personally, I don't think the Bucks would do it. They already have Maker as a young defensive C to develop while also having Henson on the books for another 3 years at $10 mil per year. As for Hield, their perimeter depth chart looks like:
Bledsoe / Dellavedova
Brogdon / Vaughn
Middleton / Snell
I'm not sure where I see Hield fitting in there. with Bledsoe, Dellavedova, Brogdon, Middleton, & Snell as the 5 man wing rotation with Vaughn as their young SG that they are developing. Hield would now be competing with that 6th spot and probably not provide a lot of value at the moment. I think they would be most interested in Labissiere in a trade that includes Parker. Gives them another high upside guy who can play PF with Maker or even C (after getting stronger) with Giannis. We have a limited amount of high upside guys as it is so I would be hesitant to give Labissiere up.
I don't think the Bucks would be interested in Skal. They drafted 2 developmental young PFs in back to back drafts. While Skal has a higher ceiling than them, he'd be their 3rd developmental big man.
The uniqueness about the Bucks is that they're a legitimate playoff team with a franchise player who's only 22/23 AND he's already a top 10 NBA player. Usually when you have a franchise player that young, you're ok with not immediately contending, but the Bucks have already built a playoff core around him. Giannis-Bledsoe-Brogdon-Middleton. All 4 are actually capable of running an offense..which is insane.
They've given Maker developmental minutes, but he's probably not even a NBA rotational player yet. The Bucks desperately need big men. They only have 2 "true" bigs on their team in Henson and Teletovic. If they added Buddy and WCS, this is how their team would look like:
Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton, Brogdon, Buddy, Snell, Henson, WCS, Teletovic, and Delladova.
I'm not sure how rotations would work at all, but Buddy and Willie are instant contributors. Vaughn actually doesn't play much. Buddy would fit coming off the bench as a shooter and scorer. I could actually see Delladova getting benched in this scenario too because the Bucks already have players who can run an offense much better than he can.
The uniqueness about the Bucks is that they're a legitimate playoff team with a franchise player who's only 22/23 AND he's already a top 10 NBA player. Usually when you have a franchise player that young, you're ok with not immediately contending, but the Bucks have already built a playoff core around him. Giannis-Bledsoe-Brogdon-Middleton. All 4 are actually capable of running an offense..which is insane.
They've given Maker developmental minutes, but he's probably not even a NBA rotational player yet. The Bucks desperately need big men. They only have 2 "true" bigs on their team in Henson and Teletovic. If they added Buddy and WCS, this is how their team would look like:
Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton, Brogdon, Buddy, Snell, Henson, WCS, Teletovic, and Delladova.
I'm not sure how rotations would work at all, but Buddy and Willie are instant contributors. Vaughn actually doesn't play much. Buddy would fit coming off the bench as a shooter and scorer. I could actually see Delladova getting benched in this scenario too because the Bucks already have players who can run an offense much better than he can.
Fair points, but I still find it hard for them to win a championship with Bledsoe/Brogdon/Middleton/Giannis. Don't get me wrong. that will be a great team, but will that team be good enough to win it all? I don't think so. I think going all out to compete now is a little reckless. If I were them, I would do what I can to find a way to add another star next to those four guys I mentioned. To do that, they need to make some cap space for next year. How about this trade instead:
MIL Gets: Willie Cauley-Stein, Malachi Richardson, & Vince Carter
SAC Gets: Jabari Parker & John Henson
Why for MIL?
They obviously get out of having to pay Parker who has been injury prone up to this point. And paying him now means they have committed to the core they have to try and win a title (and like I mentioned above, I'm not overly confident). This trade also sheds Henson's deal for an expiring (Carter). They would have a 2018-19 payroll of $101.3 after this trade. The cap is projected to be $101 mil. If they traded Teletovic, Snell, & Dellavedova for cap space, they would have ~$27.5 mil in cap space. Considering, it might take one or two of their young guys (Cauley-Stein, Maker, Wilson, Richardson, Brown, Vaughn) to move them, you're probably looking at $30.5-$35 mil in cap space with a core of:
PG - Bledsoe
SG - Brogdon / Vaughn / Brown
SF - Middleton / Richardson
PF - Giannis / Wilson
C - Cauley-Stein / Maker
Now, they have the cap space to go out and add one of George, LeBron, Cousins, or Jordan. I think George would be the best fit with his ability to defend multiple positions and still be effective off the ball. Plus he might see MIL as his chance to win a title vs. sticking with OKC or going to LA who will have to come out of the much tougher western conference.
Why for SAC?
Like we mentioned, Parker has better potential than either Cauley-Stein or Richardson and we are in desperate need of players with elite potential. This deal also allows us to keep Hield (with Richardson going out instead) for the cost of eating his 3 year deal. However, Henson's deal will be off the books before we would have to resign any of our young guys (Fox, Mason, Bogdanovic, Hield, Jackson, Labissiere, Giles, Papagiannis).
PG - Hill / Fox / Mason
SG - Bogdanovic / Hield
SF - Parker / Temple / Jackson
PF - Labissiere / Randolph / Giles
C - Koufos / Henson / Papagiannis
Then maybe we can try to move a combo of Hill, Mason, Hield, Jackson, and Papagiannis in a 3 way deal to land the 2018 BKN 1st. Fox/Bogdanovic/Parker/Labissiere/Giles/SAC 2018 1st/BKN 2018 1st would be a very solid young core that I'd be pretty darn excited about.
EDIT: Just had a Bucks fan on another forum say he would "no doubt" do the deal I mentioned above. He said he would also do a Hield/Koufos for Parker/Vaughn trade as well.
PG - Hill / Fox / Mason
SG - Bogdanovic / Richardson / Vaughn / Carter
SF - Parker / Temple / Jackson
PF - Labissiere / Randolph
C - Cauley-Stein / Papagiannis / Giles
EDIT #2: Looks like removing Henson & Carter from the deal still would be attractive from the Bucks side, so now you're looking at Cauley-Stein & Richardson for Parker (so @206Fan 's original trade but swapping Hield for Richardson instead).
PG - Hill / Fox / Mason
SG - Bogdanovic / Hield / Carter
SF - Parker / Temple / Jackson
PF - Labissiere / Randolph / Cooley
C - Koufos / Papagiannis / Giles
MIL Gets: Willie Cauley-Stein, Malachi Richardson, & Vince Carter
SAC Gets: Jabari Parker & John Henson
Why for MIL?
They obviously get out of having to pay Parker who has been injury prone up to this point. And paying him now means they have committed to the core they have to try and win a title (and like I mentioned above, I'm not overly confident). This trade also sheds Henson's deal for an expiring (Carter). They would have a 2018-19 payroll of $101.3 after this trade. The cap is projected to be $101 mil. If they traded Teletovic, Snell, & Dellavedova for cap space, they would have ~$27.5 mil in cap space. Considering, it might take one or two of their young guys (Cauley-Stein, Maker, Wilson, Richardson, Brown, Vaughn) to move them, you're probably looking at $30.5-$35 mil in cap space with a core of:
PG - Bledsoe
SG - Brogdon / Vaughn / Brown
SF - Middleton / Richardson
PF - Giannis / Wilson
C - Cauley-Stein / Maker
Now, they have the cap space to go out and add one of George, LeBron, Cousins, or Jordan. I think George would be the best fit with his ability to defend multiple positions and still be effective off the ball. Plus he might see MIL as his chance to win a title vs. sticking with OKC or going to LA who will have to come out of the much tougher western conference.
Why for SAC?
Like we mentioned, Parker has better potential than either Cauley-Stein or Richardson and we are in desperate need of players with elite potential. This deal also allows us to keep Hield (with Richardson going out instead) for the cost of eating his 3 year deal. However, Henson's deal will be off the books before we would have to resign any of our young guys (Fox, Mason, Bogdanovic, Hield, Jackson, Labissiere, Giles, Papagiannis).
PG - Hill / Fox / Mason
SG - Bogdanovic / Hield
SF - Parker / Temple / Jackson
PF - Labissiere / Randolph / Giles
C - Koufos / Henson / Papagiannis
Then maybe we can try to move a combo of Hill, Mason, Hield, Jackson, and Papagiannis in a 3 way deal to land the 2018 BKN 1st. Fox/Bogdanovic/Parker/Labissiere/Giles/SAC 2018 1st/BKN 2018 1st would be a very solid young core that I'd be pretty darn excited about.
EDIT: Just had a Bucks fan on another forum say he would "no doubt" do the deal I mentioned above. He said he would also do a Hield/Koufos for Parker/Vaughn trade as well.
PG - Hill / Fox / Mason
SG - Bogdanovic / Richardson / Vaughn / Carter
SF - Parker / Temple / Jackson
PF - Labissiere / Randolph
C - Cauley-Stein / Papagiannis / Giles
EDIT #2: Looks like removing Henson & Carter from the deal still would be attractive from the Bucks side, so now you're looking at Cauley-Stein & Richardson for Parker (so @206Fan 's original trade but swapping Hield for Richardson instead).
PG - Hill / Fox / Mason
SG - Bogdanovic / Hield / Carter
SF - Parker / Temple / Jackson
PF - Labissiere / Randolph / Cooley
C - Koufos / Papagiannis / Giles
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How would they suffer trying to trade someone playing 0 minutes
The player playing zero probably doesn't have much of a chance to attain as high a level of value as the Kings top young players so in the end it doesn't matter because the return would be zero anyway. Splitting minutes just diminishes the potential of the highest return possible.
Oh was that obvious? Was is the part where you didn't mention it or the part where you said we can also take back one of their veterans as well?
I think you glossed over my original question. The question is not why wouldn't we. The question is why would we? You proposed the deal. The responsibility lies with you on giving a reason why.
I think you glossed over my original question. The question is not why wouldn't we. The question is why would we? You proposed the deal. The responsibility lies with you on giving a reason why.
