Now that we know the draft order, who do we draft? (New thread)
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If Kings trade up from 10 to 4 with Phoenix, I would want Fox and Tatum.
That would mean that Kings have good young talent at every position and enough scoring punch and some serious defensive potential.
WCS
Skal
Tatum
Hield
Fox
Bogdanović
Richardson
Papagiannis
A fair bit of flexibility there as well!
That would mean that Kings have good young talent at every position and enough scoring punch and some serious defensive potential.
WCS
Skal
Tatum
Hield
Fox
Bogdanović
Richardson
Papagiannis
A fair bit of flexibility there as well!
If Jackson is there when the Suns are on the clock I think there's a near zero chance of the Kings trading up from 10 to 4.
By if Ball, Fultz & Jackson go 1-3 and Phoenix doesn't love Tatum they might want to trade down. I'm not sure (beyond the 10th pick) what the Kings have that they'd want though.
I think there's a chance that the Suns stand pat and take Isaac.
By if Ball, Fultz & Jackson go 1-3 and Phoenix doesn't love Tatum they might want to trade down. I'm not sure (beyond the 10th pick) what the Kings have that they'd want though.
I think there's a chance that the Suns stand pat and take Isaac.
How about Afflalo , Richardson, 10th for Brandon Knight,4th?
kings pick Fox and Tatum
Why Phoenix does it? They get two cheap young Talents plus save 40 Mill on the afflalo/Knight
Don't think the cap space does it by itself, and we still could have Buddy and Bogs at the 2
Still not sure its enough - Maybe Buddy instead of Richardson? Hmmmm
Fox,Knight,Galloway
Buddy, Bogs or Bogs and Richardson
Tatum, Temple,2nd rounder
Skal,Tolliver
WCS,Koufos,Papa
kings pick Fox and Tatum
Why Phoenix does it? They get two cheap young Talents plus save 40 Mill on the afflalo/Knight
Don't think the cap space does it by itself, and we still could have Buddy and Bogs at the 2
Still not sure its enough - Maybe Buddy instead of Richardson? Hmmmm
Fox,Knight,Galloway
Buddy, Bogs or Bogs and Richardson
Tatum, Temple,2nd rounder
Skal,Tolliver
WCS,Koufos,Papa
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Well, you'd have to watch the games. In general, Fultz spent the first half of many games dishing the ball to teammates, who couldn't convert. In the second half, he would put on his scoring hat, and start putting up points because no one else could. Many scouts argued that he should have been more selfish with the ball, and maybe Washington would have won more games. Of course Fultz would have had to score around 50 pts a game for that to happen. He just didn't have much talent around him.
I think the reason the Celtics may lean harder toward Fultz than Ball, is because Fultz is very good at playing off the ball. They envision playing the two of them together. I think Ball is better with the ball in his hands, which would mean that it wouldn't be in IT's hands. Not saying that they couldn't make it work, but it's not a step back to take Fultz over Ball if you think he's the best fit for your team. Having said that, it wouldn't be a huge shock for them to take Ball. Just a tiny one.
I think there are several reasons. One is what you stated. He didn't get the minutes because of playing behind the 7'2" senior, Przemek Karnowski. Because of Collins ability to hit the three point shot, you might ask, well then, why not play them together? Truth is, when there were on the court together, they were very effective with the inside out game and very hard to defend. However, Gonzaga only had two bigs on the team, Karnowski and Collins, and Mark Few didn't want to risk both getting in foul trouble at the same time, so he played it safe using Collins as the backup.
When you look at the amount of minutes Collins played, and the foul trouble he always seemed to be in, I think being in the top ten is a good result. One of the other reasons is because the traditional center has become a dinosaur. Used to be that if your were over 7 feet tall and could blow up a basketball, you were a 1st round pick. No more! If you can't shoot the three, and put the ball on the floor, you don't get a second look. Thing is, Collins can do all those things and that's why he's listed at 10 on most draft boards. I think he's a very talented kid, but he does have some things to work on. Not major things, but they are important.
When you look at the amount of minutes Collins played, and the foul trouble he always seemed to be in, I think being in the top ten is a good result. One of the other reasons is because the traditional center has become a dinosaur. Used to be that if your were over 7 feet tall and could blow up a basketball, you were a 1st round pick. No more! If you can't shoot the three, and put the ball on the floor, you don't get a second look. Thing is, Collins can do all those things and that's why he's listed at 10 on most draft boards. I think he's a very talented kid, but he does have some things to work on. Not major things, but they are important.
Well, they seem uninterested in using Knight. Ulis is only 5'9" tall, although one could argue that he was the best PG on the team that could play on a regular basis. And finally, Bledsoe is injured more than he's healthy. So I don't think selecting a PG is out of the question. I certainly hope that they don't.
The other way of viewing things is that IT and Fultz would both be heavy usage scorers. Ball had a surprisingly low usage rate and might better balance Thomas by being a distributor. He's also got the size to guard SGs. In fact, Ball might be better off guarding SGs.
Honestly, as someone that likes Ball's game I think getting him out of LA and out from under his dad's watchful eye (and loud mouth) would be better for him long term.
Honestly, as someone that likes Ball's game I think getting him out of LA and out from under his dad's watchful eye (and loud mouth) would be better for him long term.
I literally hated the Lakers. It's hard to hate them now because of how pitiful they look. However, I don't feel sorry for them. The Lakers have some of the most arrogant fans in the world. Too many times when I was a season ticket holder I ended up with a Laker fan sitting near me, who was a loudmouth jerk. Don't feel that way about the Warriors. Probably because I was a Warrior fan before I was a Kings fan. But also, the Warriors have struggled in the league just like the Kings have. Right now, they're on top of the world, just like we were back in the Vlade/Webber days. But their glory days have been few and far between compared to the Lakers. So I can't begrudge them their moment in the sun. I just wish it was us.
One thing I would disagree with you on, was the Durant/Malone comparison, if I understood you correctly. Malone was at the end of his career and was obviously trying to hook on with a team he thought could win the whole thing. While I wouldn't have done that if I were him, I understand how he might feel. He came so close so many times with him and Stockton. Durant is a different story. He's at the top of his career, and could end up being the difference maker if they go one and win the whole banana. You couldn't say that about Malone at that point. I believe Mitch Richmond was another one that hooked on to that team as well.
Philly is the team that could totally change directions. . I don't think it's out of the question that they might just draft Monk. They need shooting, and the two best shooters are Monk and Markkanen. they don't need another big man, so Monk is the obvious choice. However he wouldn't seem like a big reach at 5 as he would at 3. So maybe we offer then the 5th pick and Malachi to switch with us. that way they walk away with two SG's that can shoot the ball. Just a thought.
As to what we can offer the Sun's other than the 10th pick. We can offer to take some bad salary off their hands. We can't do it on draft day, but after the draft we can relinquish our rights to Collison, Lawson, McLemore, etc. and just absorb a contract like Knights without having to send anyone back if that's what they want.
As to what we can offer the Sun's other than the 10th pick. We can offer to take some bad salary off their hands. We can't do it on draft day, but after the draft we can relinquish our rights to Collison, Lawson, McLemore, etc. and just absorb a contract like Knights without having to send anyone back if that's what they want.
Yeah, different circumstances.
Durant is arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA (at the very least top 5), just entering his prime and he joined up with the team that had just set the NBA record for wins in a season. Not to mention the team that his previous team had on the ropes in the playoffs that postseason. He's free to sign with whatever team he likes but my view of him as a competitor dropped quite a few notches.
Payton and Malone wanted one last go at a ring. Didn't work out that way for them. Kobe was accused of sexual assault, the four of them only played in 20-25 games together and still made the finals only to lose to the Pistons. After that Phil Jackson left and Shaq was traded.
Mitch Richmond signed with LA in 2001 and actually got a ring as part of the 2002 Lakers championship team.
Durant is arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA (at the very least top 5), just entering his prime and he joined up with the team that had just set the NBA record for wins in a season. Not to mention the team that his previous team had on the ropes in the playoffs that postseason. He's free to sign with whatever team he likes but my view of him as a competitor dropped quite a few notches.
Payton and Malone wanted one last go at a ring. Didn't work out that way for them. Kobe was accused of sexual assault, the four of them only played in 20-25 games together and still made the finals only to lose to the Pistons. After that Phil Jackson left and Shaq was traded.
Mitch Richmond signed with LA in 2001 and actually got a ring as part of the 2002 Lakers championship team.
That was my thought with the Sixers - send Malachi and #5 to sew up Monk and clear a bit of the logjam at SG. The Sixers do have Luwawu and theoretically Korkmaz in the pipeline so I don't know how interested they'd be but it's a solid offer to move up two slots, especially if Monk is their target. Two things jump out at me though. (1) they may well get better offers from a team looking to move up for Jackson, assuming Philly doesn't just take him themselves. It would depend on them really wanting Monk and not wanting to fall back too far and miss him as well as the Suns not making a more aggressive move and (2) I've always been of the feeling that if you love a guy at #3 that is projected to go #5 or #6 that unless you can make a trade and guarantee that your guy will still be there, you just draft him at 3. Who cares if writers covering the NBA think you reached? If that's your guy you go after him.
As for Phoenix, I don't see them wanting to dump salary enough to drop from #4 to #10 unless there's a couple guys they love that are projected to be in that range. I think it's much more likely that they package one of their later picks (20 or 26 I think) with a bad salary for an ending contract or player with a team option.
Leonard and #20 or #26 for Afflalo? Not an awful deal
As for Phoenix, I don't see them wanting to dump salary enough to drop from #4 to #10 unless there's a couple guys they love that are projected to be in that range. I think it's much more likely that they package one of their later picks (20 or 26 I think) with a bad salary for an ending contract or player with a team option.
Leonard and #20 or #26 for Afflalo? Not an awful deal
For those nterested, the Kings are holding their second workout monday. The players invited are:
Corey Sanders: combo guard, 6'2", 181 lbs, 12.8 ppg, 382% fgp, 26.6% 3pp, 3.2 assists per game.
James Artis: SG/SF, 6'7", 215 lbs, 18.2 ppg, 47.5% fgp, 39.2% 3pp, 4.9 rpg, 3.3 assists per game.
Luke Kornet: Center, 7'1", 250 lbs, 13.2 ppg, 40.6% fgp, 32.7% 3pp, 6.2 rpg, 2.0 blocks per game.
Mangok Mathiang: PF, 6'10", 220 lbs, 7.8 ppg, 53.1% fgp, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 blocks per game.
J.J. Frazier: PG, 5'10", 155 lbs, 18.8 ppg, 49.0% fgp, 35.4% 3pp, 3.8 rpg, 4.1 assists per game.
Monte Morris: PG, 6'3", 175 lbs, 16.4 ppg, 46.5% fgp, 37.8% 3pp, 4.8 rpg, 1.5 spg, 6.2 assists per game.
Obviously the best player in this group is Monte Morris a PG that led his Iowa St. team to four consecutive NCAA tournament berths. He's the only player in this group that I could see the Kings using their 2nd round pick on. The rest are players that might fill out our summer league roster, or perhaps be a part of our G-League team. Morris would be a player you send to the G-League for a year and see if you can develop him. He played in a pro set at Iowa St. and is very good at running the P&R. He has an outstanding assist to turnover ratio of 5 to 1. He had 217 assists his senior year and only 42 turnovers. He's not flashy, but has a very high BBIQ and feel for the game.
He's not a great athlete and won't blow by you, but he has more shakes and bakes and hesitation moves, that he seems to get anywhere he wants on the court. If he can extend his range on his three point shot, and get stronger, I can see him being a solid backup PG down the road. While he's a senior, he's still only 21 years old.
Corey Sanders: combo guard, 6'2", 181 lbs, 12.8 ppg, 382% fgp, 26.6% 3pp, 3.2 assists per game.
James Artis: SG/SF, 6'7", 215 lbs, 18.2 ppg, 47.5% fgp, 39.2% 3pp, 4.9 rpg, 3.3 assists per game.
Luke Kornet: Center, 7'1", 250 lbs, 13.2 ppg, 40.6% fgp, 32.7% 3pp, 6.2 rpg, 2.0 blocks per game.
Mangok Mathiang: PF, 6'10", 220 lbs, 7.8 ppg, 53.1% fgp, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 blocks per game.
J.J. Frazier: PG, 5'10", 155 lbs, 18.8 ppg, 49.0% fgp, 35.4% 3pp, 3.8 rpg, 4.1 assists per game.
Monte Morris: PG, 6'3", 175 lbs, 16.4 ppg, 46.5% fgp, 37.8% 3pp, 4.8 rpg, 1.5 spg, 6.2 assists per game.
Obviously the best player in this group is Monte Morris a PG that led his Iowa St. team to four consecutive NCAA tournament berths. He's the only player in this group that I could see the Kings using their 2nd round pick on. The rest are players that might fill out our summer league roster, or perhaps be a part of our G-League team. Morris would be a player you send to the G-League for a year and see if you can develop him. He played in a pro set at Iowa St. and is very good at running the P&R. He has an outstanding assist to turnover ratio of 5 to 1. He had 217 assists his senior year and only 42 turnovers. He's not flashy, but has a very high BBIQ and feel for the game.
He's not a great athlete and won't blow by you, but he has more shakes and bakes and hesitation moves, that he seems to get anywhere he wants on the court. If he can extend his range on his three point shot, and get stronger, I can see him being a solid backup PG down the road. While he's a senior, he's still only 21 years old.
True, but LSU was a worse team than the Washington team. When your thing is passing, and you have no one to pass to, it's hard to make an impact. One thing I have no doubts about with Simmons, is his passing ability. One of the best passing in traffic big men I've ever seen. However, we've yet to see how that translates to the NBA.
When you mentioned Leonard, I assume you were referring to Portland, not the Sun's. Portland has the 15th, 20th, and 26th picks. I'd do that trade for the 15th pick. Leonard has three more years left. I suspect that Portland would counter with Turner instead of Leonard. Not sure I would do that deal. Anyway, there some room there to negotiate.
You're right, I was mixing up the two. Phoenix may want to move Knight but it's Portland that will have the league's highest payroll next season.
The Suns aren't nearly in as bad a place and I can't believe they are that desperate to shed salary. I think they'd be happy to trade Knight but not enough to move from #4 to #10 in a strong draft.
The Suns aren't nearly in as bad a place and I can't believe they are that desperate to shed salary. I think they'd be happy to trade Knight but not enough to move from #4 to #10 in a strong draft.
A bit of recycling here from the Fox thread but instead of taking on bad contracts or players we don't need why not see if Portland would swap our 10th for their 15th and either one of the 20th or 26th. This might allow us to trade up , say the 5th and 20th, for Fox or Jackson, while maintaining another later 1st round pick.
I am starting to think there is more talent in this draft than just ten deep. Also, I would like to keep a Malachi around awhile to see how he fits.
I am starting to think there is more talent in this draft than just ten deep. Also, I would like to keep a Malachi around awhile to see how he fits.
I think he's referring to the Chad Ford article suggesting that nobody in the first round will want to come to Sacramento for a workout. Considering we got a different article just a day later with quotes from agents saying Fox, Jackson, Collins and Ntilikina at least would all be coming to Sacramento for workouts if our pick is high enough (that was pre-lottery) and it's already been shown that Chad Ford lifted quotes from last year for his article, I'm not all that concerned about what Chad Ford is on record saying at this point.
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1 terrible journalist
5-6 desperate media outlets
pinch salt
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Yield: 15 dozen crap sandwich rumors
1 terrible journalist
5-6 desperate media outlets
pinch salt
Coddle terrible journalist in lukewarm oven for 15 years. Allow TV budget to get bloated, use as excuse to fire terrible journalist. Be careful after firing terrible journalist to retain journalist's services for a few months after they are fired. Combine terrible journalist with desperate media outlets, mix well. Rumors will develop constantly. Form rumors into shape of crap sandwiches and transfer to greased internet. Take all rumors with pinch of salt.
Yield: 15 dozen crap sandwich rumors