Who do we draft?
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Just a hypothetical , but Boston might have considered trading this years pick for a Jimmy Butler or similar. Adding our pick would sweeten up the offer.
Again im just being hypothetical. If the Bulls are ready to deal Butler (they should) then they get Top 4 and 10 th pick, Boston gets Butler and keeps IT instead wrestling with what to do with a Fultz/Ball - IT conundrum, we turn a pick into a likely better pick.
All hypothetical and it would involve more. Just showing there are answers to WHY Boston would consider trading next years Nets pick for a pick in this draft.
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Again im just being hypothetical. If the Bulls are ready to deal Butler (they should) then they get Top 4 and 10 th pick, Boston gets Butler and keeps IT instead wrestling with what to do with a Fultz/Ball - IT conundrum, we turn a pick into a likely better pick.
All hypothetical and it would involve more. Just showing there are answers to WHY Boston would consider trading next years Nets pick for a pick in this draft.
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Actually, they couldn't. They have no 1st round pick next year. It was traded to the Boston Celtics. Almost the same as this years, except this year it's a swap with the Celtics.
Of course if your talking about trading with Boston, then that's a different story. You'd have to offer up something Boston wants. Give me their number and I'll check and see.
Of course if your talking about trading with Boston, then that's a different story. You'd have to offer up something Boston wants. Give me their number and I'll check and see.
I'm thinking in terms of NBA player foot speed. He reminds me of Rik Smits a bit in his post moves although maybe not as good a shooter but a more complete player. He doesn't look bad, but would rather the Kings draft another SF/SG or trade down for a PF/SG & SF after drafting a PG. If Monk is at 10 I'd take him over Collins, also Markennen just on the possibility of a translation for 42%+ 3pt % potential. Unless they're planning on ditching PapaG, don't see too much point in drafting Collins. They may like his defensive shot-blocking ability enough to draft him, I dont know.... and want to have him mix it in with PapaG for PT. The main reason for drafting Collins right now would be for his defensive shore-up to help interior defense and to a lesser degree rebounding. It's gonna be awhile wait....
Obviously he's not my first choice, but I do think he's going to be far better than you do. But that's immaterial. I see Collins as a very good fall back as far at talent goes, but there are other paths the Kings could follow. However, if they were to draft Collins, then I think Koufos has to be traded. Just not enough minutes to go around for everyone, and because Koufos has value around the league, that might not be a bad thing. I could see the Kings maybe moving down and drafting Anunoby, who if healthy, and that's an if, is a very talented player. Another possibility is the Kings trading their 10th pick for a pick next year, or in 2019. Hopefully to a team that you don't think will be very good in those years.
Watching the playoffs it seems more and more that big 6'8'' wings that can defend 1-4 and put the ball on the floor & shoot are dictating the league more and more. The versatility of guys like Otto Porter, Jay Crowder or even a rookie like Taurean Prince allow for very effective lineups where they give the guards spacing on offensive and defend the other guys perimeter threats on defense. Combined with an slashing guard they make for a deadly combo.
Despite our youth movement we currently don't have such a player. This may partially be because Joerger likes to play big, but he too did play Matt Barnes a good amount of minutes at the 4.
However, I can a scenario where we not only get one but two of these players in the upcoming draft. The guy that fits the description above is obviously OG Anunoby. Being 6'8'' with a 7'4" wingspan and being built like a brick wall the guy can legitimately guard 1-4. He also can put the ball on the floor to play taller 4s off the floor. His shot is still in question but he has a decent chance to improve it once he comes to the league. However he's coming of a serious injury so taking him at #8 or #10 could be a bit risky. However, as @hrdboild pointed out in another post, Stan Van Gundy might be interested to move up from #12 to #10 to make sure he gets a big guy like Zach Collins or Lauri Markannen who easily could be gone by #12. Since he doesn't seem to value Stanley Johnson as much and Stanley had a bad end to the season, I would try to buy low and let Stanley be the asset to move up from #12. In return, we could still offer #34, Detroits own 2020 pick and/or taking back a larger salary. It might seem like a deal well in our favor, but if SVG has Collins/Markannen in the top 5 on his big board it's a fair deal.
At #12 we could then comfortably take Anunoby. I really like the idea of getting both Anunoby and Johnson because down the line it allows for very versatile lineups. You can go extremly big, playing Bogdanovic at the 2, one of Anunoby/Johnson at the 3, Skal at the 4, and Willie/Papa at 5. Or you go small and still not loose much defense with Johnson at the 3, Anunoby at the 4, and Skal at the 5 once he fills out.
Edit: I just realized that me might also draft Ntilikina at #8. I still have Fox higher, but man, down the line we could close games with a Ntilikina-Bogdanovic-Johnson-Anunoby-Skal lineup. Good luck trying to shoot over them as everyone is at least 6'5'' with a 6'11'' wingspan.
Despite our youth movement we currently don't have such a player. This may partially be because Joerger likes to play big, but he too did play Matt Barnes a good amount of minutes at the 4.
However, I can a scenario where we not only get one but two of these players in the upcoming draft. The guy that fits the description above is obviously OG Anunoby. Being 6'8'' with a 7'4" wingspan and being built like a brick wall the guy can legitimately guard 1-4. He also can put the ball on the floor to play taller 4s off the floor. His shot is still in question but he has a decent chance to improve it once he comes to the league. However he's coming of a serious injury so taking him at #8 or #10 could be a bit risky. However, as @hrdboild pointed out in another post, Stan Van Gundy might be interested to move up from #12 to #10 to make sure he gets a big guy like Zach Collins or Lauri Markannen who easily could be gone by #12. Since he doesn't seem to value Stanley Johnson as much and Stanley had a bad end to the season, I would try to buy low and let Stanley be the asset to move up from #12. In return, we could still offer #34, Detroits own 2020 pick and/or taking back a larger salary. It might seem like a deal well in our favor, but if SVG has Collins/Markannen in the top 5 on his big board it's a fair deal.
At #12 we could then comfortably take Anunoby. I really like the idea of getting both Anunoby and Johnson because down the line it allows for very versatile lineups. You can go extremly big, playing Bogdanovic at the 2, one of Anunoby/Johnson at the 3, Skal at the 4, and Willie/Papa at 5. Or you go small and still not loose much defense with Johnson at the 3, Anunoby at the 4, and Skal at the 5 once he fills out.
Edit: I just realized that me might also draft Ntilikina at #8. I still have Fox higher, but man, down the line we could close games with a Ntilikina-Bogdanovic-Johnson-Anunoby-Skal lineup. Good luck trying to shoot over them as everyone is at least 6'5'' with a 6'11'' wingspan.
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Watching the playoffs it seems more and more that big 6'8'' wings that can defend 1-4 and put the ball on the floor & shoot are dictating the league more and more. The versatility of guys like Otto Porter, Jay Crowder or even a rookie like Taurean Prince allow for very effective lineups where they give the guards spacing on offensive and defend the other guys perimeter threats on defense. Combined with an slashing guard they make for a deadly combo.
Despite our youth movement we currently don't have such a player. This may partially be because Joerger likes to play big, but he too did play Matt Barnes a good amount of minutes at the 4.
However, I can a scenario where we not only get one but two of these players in the upcoming draft. The guy that fits the description above is obviously OG Anunoby. Being 6'8'' with a 7'4" wingspan and being built like a brick wall the guy can legitimately guard 1-4. He also can put the ball on the floor to play taller 4s off the floor. His shot is still in question but he has a decent chance to improve it once he comes to the league. However he's coming of a serious injury so taking him at #8 or #10 could be a bit risky. However, as @hrdboild pointed out in another post, Stan Van Gundy might be interested to move up from #12 to #10 to make sure he gets a big guy like Zach Collins or Lauri Markannen who easily could be gone by #12. Since he doesn't seem to value Stanley Johnson as much and Stanley had a bad end to the season, I would try to buy low and let Stanley be the asset to move up from #12. In return, we could still offer #34, Detroits own 2020 pick and/or taking back a larger salary. It might seem like a deal well in our favor, but if SVG has Collins/Markannen in the top 5 on his big board it's a fair deal.
At #12 we could then comfortably take Anunoby. I really like the idea of getting both Anunoby and Johnson because down the line it allows for very versatile lineups. You can go extremly big, playing Bogdanovic at the 2, one of Anunoby/Johnson at the 3, Skal at the 4, and Willie/Papa at 5. Or you go small and still not loose much defense with Johnson at the 3, Anunoby at the 4, and Skal at the 5 once he fills out.
Edit: I just realized that me might also draft Ntilikina at #8. I still have Fox higher, but man, down the line we could close games with a Ntilikina-Bogdanovic-Johnson-Anunoby-Skal lineup. Good luck trying to shoot over them as everyone is at least 6'5'' with a 6'11'' wingspan.
Despite our youth movement we currently don't have such a player. This may partially be because Joerger likes to play big, but he too did play Matt Barnes a good amount of minutes at the 4.
However, I can a scenario where we not only get one but two of these players in the upcoming draft. The guy that fits the description above is obviously OG Anunoby. Being 6'8'' with a 7'4" wingspan and being built like a brick wall the guy can legitimately guard 1-4. He also can put the ball on the floor to play taller 4s off the floor. His shot is still in question but he has a decent chance to improve it once he comes to the league. However he's coming of a serious injury so taking him at #8 or #10 could be a bit risky. However, as @hrdboild pointed out in another post, Stan Van Gundy might be interested to move up from #12 to #10 to make sure he gets a big guy like Zach Collins or Lauri Markannen who easily could be gone by #12. Since he doesn't seem to value Stanley Johnson as much and Stanley had a bad end to the season, I would try to buy low and let Stanley be the asset to move up from #12. In return, we could still offer #34, Detroits own 2020 pick and/or taking back a larger salary. It might seem like a deal well in our favor, but if SVG has Collins/Markannen in the top 5 on his big board it's a fair deal.
At #12 we could then comfortably take Anunoby. I really like the idea of getting both Anunoby and Johnson because down the line it allows for very versatile lineups. You can go extremly big, playing Bogdanovic at the 2, one of Anunoby/Johnson at the 3, Skal at the 4, and Willie/Papa at 5. Or you go small and still not loose much defense with Johnson at the 3, Anunoby at the 4, and Skal at the 5 once he fills out.
Edit: I just realized that me might also draft Ntilikina at #8. I still have Fox higher, but man, down the line we could close games with a Ntilikina-Bogdanovic-Johnson-Anunoby-Skal lineup. Good luck trying to shoot over them as everyone is at least 6'5'' with a 6'11'' wingspan.
I think players with that archetype are more valuable for post-season play. I think it's a consensus that most see OG as a career role player, and every team needs them. I wouldn't be upset if we traded down, then drafted him. His shooting scares me, but as you said, there's always room for improvement.
Basketball Insiders just posted a link to their latest mock.
Kings take Monk and then Isaac. They had Markannen at 6, Smith Jr at 7 to NY, Ntilinka at 9
For those who have been banging the Zach Collins drum, he's farther down around 14-15 iirc. Justin Jackson at 20 which I had called during the NCAA tourney.
Fwiw.
Kings take Monk and then Isaac. They had Markannen at 6, Smith Jr at 7 to NY, Ntilinka at 9
For those who have been banging the Zach Collins drum, he's farther down around 14-15 iirc. Justin Jackson at 20 which I had called during the NCAA tourney.
Fwiw.
The more I think about this draft, the more I think the Kings org isn't going to want two new rookies added to their already young lineup. Two new toddlers added to the group of kindergarteners, especially if one is a point guard, is too much of a head ache for the babysitters. How long could you be in a room with seven kids who can't tuck in their own shorts, wipe their own nose, or know right from left? It makes me think it's either use both picks to trade up into the top 3, or they trade for a vet, or they trade for future picks with their lower draft pick. We'll see.
Maybe we want a roster full of kids though.
Between the Cuz trade and rumors of Hinkie (which are long dead, but it shows an appreciation of "the process"), it wouldn't surprise me at all if our goal next season is a top 3 pick.
Seeing the growth of the kids could make the bitter pill of a year of tanking (as opposed to our usual post allstar tank) a little easier to swallow.
But who knows. We'll be better able to speculate post draft! Maybe we grab some vets and make another humorous dash to the 8th seed.
Between the Cuz trade and rumors of Hinkie (which are long dead, but it shows an appreciation of "the process"), it wouldn't surprise me at all if our goal next season is a top 3 pick.
Seeing the growth of the kids could make the bitter pill of a year of tanking (as opposed to our usual post allstar tank) a little easier to swallow.
But who knows. We'll be better able to speculate post draft! Maybe we grab some vets and make another humorous dash to the 8th seed.
Does anyone else play Chad Fords ESPN Lottery mock draft? I'm not sure what folks here think of Fords expertise but anyways the last replay I did gave us the 2nd pick, so Philli had the 1st, and we took Ball and with the 10th pick he had us taking Isaac. Not a bad haul.
A bit of a silly game but for anyone unfamiliar with it you can find it on the ESPN NBA homepage.
A bit of a silly game but for anyone unfamiliar with it you can find it on the ESPN NBA homepage.
A pick swap with Philly would only benefit the Kings, we would move up from #8 to #5 or 6 (at the worst).
Even though it looks bad on the surface, I look at a pick swap and a move up in the draft as something that probably would not had happened, had we owned this pick outright.
I would "borrow" Philly's "luck", if we can move up in the draft.
Even though it looks bad on the surface, I look at a pick swap and a move up in the draft as something that probably would not had happened, had we owned this pick outright.
I would "borrow" Philly's "luck", if we can move up in the draft.
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