[Rumor]Kings/Ranadive interested in Sam Hinkie
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The revisionist history on Hinkie has been amazing. The Sixers have nothing but young, injured potential after years of pure misery.
The lack of cohesiveness this rumor creates is just more chaos in the eyes of players. I doubt Joerger wants another new boss either and the coach situation for the Kings is one of the rare solid parts of the entire franchise.
The lack of cohesiveness this rumor creates is just more chaos in the eyes of players. I doubt Joerger wants another new boss either and the coach situation for the Kings is one of the rare solid parts of the entire franchise.
I dont want to tank, I want to win championships. Winning a championship normally takes a generational star. A generational star does not come to Sacramento by choice. I think you know where this is going.
Going the ASAP route has worked quite well since Vivek got here(sarcastic). Going for the ASAP playoffs is what created this mess.
Its time to forget the ASAP talk and look at the reality of the situation. We do not have the assets to make the playoffs in 2019 nor do we have many assets in general. That pick is gone. Trying to do another quick patchjob just to maybe not embarass ourselves by giving up a top 5 pick is just going to bring more embarassment.
Its finally time to follow the blueprint of tanking which is the only proven way for a small market team to build up a contender. (Unless Lebron is born in your city).
Rent out capspace, take d-league flyers, try to get some late 1st or 2nd rounders for cash etc anything to accumulate assets. No one is better than Hinkie at that. The sixers have arguably the best setup going forward from a talent and asset standpoint. They are LOADED (partly because of deals like the one we made with them going for the ASAP winning). All of the credit goes to Hinkie.
In a situation like ours the best path to winning is tanking. Its an ugly thing to say but it is a product of the enviroment of the current CBA.
People roosting Hinkie for his drafting skills? We took WCS 6th! Why didnt Vlade recognize that Booker was better?? Come on if you look at their complete bodies of work objectively, Hinkie blows Vlade away.
Going the ASAP route has worked quite well since Vivek got here(sarcastic). Going for the ASAP playoffs is what created this mess.
Its time to forget the ASAP talk and look at the reality of the situation. We do not have the assets to make the playoffs in 2019 nor do we have many assets in general. That pick is gone. Trying to do another quick patchjob just to maybe not embarass ourselves by giving up a top 5 pick is just going to bring more embarassment.
Its finally time to follow the blueprint of tanking which is the only proven way for a small market team to build up a contender. (Unless Lebron is born in your city).
Rent out capspace, take d-league flyers, try to get some late 1st or 2nd rounders for cash etc anything to accumulate assets. No one is better than Hinkie at that. The sixers have arguably the best setup going forward from a talent and asset standpoint. They are LOADED (partly because of deals like the one we made with them going for the ASAP winning). All of the credit goes to Hinkie.
In a situation like ours the best path to winning is tanking. Its an ugly thing to say but it is a product of the enviroment of the current CBA.
People roosting Hinkie for his drafting skills? We took WCS 6th! Why didnt Vlade recognize that Booker was better?? Come on if you look at their complete bodies of work objectively, Hinkie blows Vlade away.
The Kings have a pretty good foundation of young players right now. Buddy, Skal, Papa, WCS and Malichi and possibly Bogdan.
We have 2 (hopefully) top 10 draft picks this year and the draft is loaded. We also have our 2018 picks.
There is no reason why, with a little luck and 2 stud rookies, we can't make a push for the playoffs by 2019.
Franchise players don't necessarily need to be picked number 1 overall, in fact most aren't drafted top 1.
Tanking doesn't do you any good, if you don't know how to pick players and construct a viable team.
We have 2 (hopefully) top 10 draft picks this year and the draft is loaded. We also have our 2018 picks.
There is no reason why, with a little luck and 2 stud rookies, we can't make a push for the playoffs by 2019.
Franchise players don't necessarily need to be picked number 1 overall, in fact most aren't drafted top 1.
Tanking doesn't do you any good, if you don't know how to pick players and construct a viable team.
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Hmmmm...
Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojVerticalNBA) · Twitter 7 minutes ago
Kings: "The Kings are not hiring Sam Hinkie and have no plans to bring anyone in above Vlade." (They're searching for someone above Vlade).
Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojVerticalNBA) · Twitter 7 minutes ago
Kings: "The Kings are not hiring Sam Hinkie and have no plans to bring anyone in above Vlade." (They're searching for someone above Vlade).
Skal is the only one who has shown legit potential. Its only potential so far though not consistant production. Buddy and WCS are "old" prospects and may be closer to their ceiling than we would like. Malichi has had a cup of coffee as far as playing time nothing definitive their yet either and Bogden hasnt set foot on an nba court yet. These guys are going to have a hard time stringing together consecutive wins next year let alone even sniffing the playoffs.
There are zero all young teams that make the playoffs out west. It just does not happen.
Tanking doesnt always work so give up on it all together? and do what exactly? Sign Toliver and Afflalo every year while drafting in the teens to land more Toliver and Afflalo type players? the most probable way to acquire talent in Sacramento is via the draft. To increase your draft odds the losses must pile up. Ugly reaility but if done right its only short term.
Try to nail your picks(less margin of error at the top) play hard, compete and develop. But this time of losing for the next 3-5 years should be about asset accumulation. No one better than Hinkie.
Oh and if your a long time fan you know that kings and luck do not go together.
There are zero all young teams that make the playoffs out west. It just does not happen.
Tanking doesnt always work so give up on it all together? and do what exactly? Sign Toliver and Afflalo every year while drafting in the teens to land more Toliver and Afflalo type players? the most probable way to acquire talent in Sacramento is via the draft. To increase your draft odds the losses must pile up. Ugly reaility but if done right its only short term.
Try to nail your picks(less margin of error at the top) play hard, compete and develop. But this time of losing for the next 3-5 years should be about asset accumulation. No one better than Hinkie.
Oh and if your a long time fan you know that kings and luck do not go together.
Hinkie has relationships around the league and other teams would know they are no longer dealing with a GM they can try to exploit as a naive negotiatior. And as far as I know Hinkie does not have an aversion to speaking on the phone. As we know, Vlade doesn't do phones. 
Primary skills for the next few years are drafting and developing. Negotiations skills are distant third.
All you tank-masters who come out of the woodwork to pay homage to your god, Sam Hinkie, are just... so misguided. We are on the right track. Can't you just believe in our process?? Where has Hinkie ever built a championship team? Why so much confidence in a guy who has never accomplished anything but tanking and drafting high picks? Your confidence in Hinkie is severely misplaced. Please crawl back under your rock. If Vivek does hire Hinkie, he will be well past forgiveable.
Are you watching the games? Buddy has shown star potential with a 63% TS and 15 PPG. He won the game yesterday though WCS made the game winner. He's old for a rookie but so was Curry and I think the Warriors are happy with how that old geezer worked out. I am not saying Buddy will be Curry but if shows average development, he is a borderline all-star at 20-24 PPG. I would call that "legit potential". If you factor in his high character and renowned work ethic, you fairly can conclude his development will at least be average, probably more so!
The rest of argument is specious. Hypothetically if you nail your two picks this year and nail your pick in 2018 your team is set with EIGHT first round picks over three seasons and a quality starting line-up that can grow together:
I am not saying Buddy will be Curry but if shows average development, he is a borderline all-star at 20-24 PPG. I would call that "legit potential". If you factor in his high character and renowned work ethic, you fairly can conclude his development will at least be average, probably more so!The rest of argument is specious. Hypothetically if you nail your two picks this year and nail your pick in 2018 your team is set with EIGHT first round picks over three seasons and a quality starting line-up that can grow together:
- 2016 (Papa)
- 2016 (Malachi)
- 2016 (Skal)
- 2016 (Buddy
- 2017 (Bogdan)
- 2017 (pending own)
- 2017 (pending NOP)
- 2018 (pending own)
Wheres Vlades championship roster so I can compare it to Hinkies? Many believe Hinkie was given a raw deal as he was unable to see his roster all the way thru. Ill forgive Vivek just fine if he fires Vlade, How many teams will be falling over themselves to hire Vlade as there VP and head shotcaller?
Sam Amick says Hinkie has other suitors and does not seem interested in the kings so this is all moot anyway.
Sure Ill believe in our process, Wait what is our process? No clear direction at all.
Again Hinkie accumlates assets, something we do not have and need desperately.
Hinkie is a respected GM around the league with established reletionships among players and agents. We need that right now. The clown show must end.
Sam Amick says Hinkie has other suitors and does not seem interested in the kings so this is all moot anyway.
Sure Ill believe in our process, Wait what is our process? No clear direction at all.
Again Hinkie accumlates assets, something we do not have and need desperately.
Hinkie is a respected GM around the league with established reletionships among players and agents. We need that right now. The clown show must end.
This is outdated.
Vlade put this team on a new path when he traded away Cousins. Unless you've been watching a different team than I have, you've seen the focus on developing the kids, assessing their potential and making sure they learn the fundamentals of playing like a cohesive team. That's a process...and PROGRESS.
That's more than good enough for me right now.
What assets are you talking about? We have a young core with two lottery picks (most likely) and cap space. I honest to God don't know what more Hinkie could do. People need to give the new process a chance to work. At some point, you have to STOP tanking and get something done.
Vlade put this team on a new path when he traded away Cousins. Unless you've been watching a different team than I have, you've seen the focus on developing the kids, assessing their potential and making sure they learn the fundamentals of playing like a cohesive team. That's a process...and PROGRESS.
That's more than good enough for me right now.
What assets are you talking about? We have a young core with two lottery picks (most likely) and cap space. I honest to God don't know what more Hinkie could do. People need to give the new process a chance to work. At some point, you have to STOP tanking and get something done.