Trade deadline approaching for Kings
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It's hoopshype.com and their "sources" so take it with a grain of salt.
Darren Collison is Available for the Right Price
Sources say that the Sacramento Kings have made a number of players available in trade talks, but Darren Collison in particular seems like he could be moved.
He has played well this year, averaging 13.7 points, 4.1 assists, 2.1 rebounds and 1.1 steals while shooting 48.1 percent from the field and 42.4 percent from beyond the arc. Sacramento knows that he has value and has gauged interest in what he could return in a trade. It also helps that Ty Lawson has been solid, making Collison more expendable. It’s also worth noting that Collison is on an expiring contract, earning $5,229,454 this year.
The Kings are currently just two games out of the eighth seed in the Western Conference, and they’d love to end their playoff drought this year. If they believe moving Collison can help them secure a postseason spot – or if they believe that re-signing Collison on a favorable contract will be tricky this offseason – they will trade him.
Darren Collison is Available for the Right Price
Sources say that the Sacramento Kings have made a number of players available in trade talks, but Darren Collison in particular seems like he could be moved.
He has played well this year, averaging 13.7 points, 4.1 assists, 2.1 rebounds and 1.1 steals while shooting 48.1 percent from the field and 42.4 percent from beyond the arc. Sacramento knows that he has value and has gauged interest in what he could return in a trade. It also helps that Ty Lawson has been solid, making Collison more expendable. It’s also worth noting that Collison is on an expiring contract, earning $5,229,454 this year.
The Kings are currently just two games out of the eighth seed in the Western Conference, and they’d love to end their playoff drought this year. If they believe moving Collison can help them secure a postseason spot – or if they believe that re-signing Collison on a favorable contract will be tricky this offseason – they will trade him.
I know Bens value has increased a bit. Why dont we buy high for him now?
You reckon the magic would be interested in a swap for Hezonja?
They need a 2-guard right now behind Fournier and Mario could still be good an become a legit SF for us in the future.
Thoughts?
On the other hand we could also 3 way deal with Hezonja going to OKC and we get Payne? Would OKC bite?
You reckon the magic would be interested in a swap for Hezonja?
They need a 2-guard right now behind Fournier and Mario could still be good an become a legit SF for us in the future.
Thoughts?
On the other hand we could also 3 way deal with Hezonja going to OKC and we get Payne? Would OKC bite?
Collison/Affalo for Rubio/Bazz
The way Willie is hooping now, Rubio could take that to the next level. All-star break would be a good transition phase for Rubio as well.
We will loose some perimeter shooting. But Collison hesitates a lot from deep and that quick release and nice dribble fakes from Malachi gives me some hope of a much better wing scorer very soon.
Take for the Wolves here is DC's expiring and Affalo's lighter and shorter contract
The way Willie is hooping now, Rubio could take that to the next level. All-star break would be a good transition phase for Rubio as well.
We will loose some perimeter shooting. But Collison hesitates a lot from deep and that quick release and nice dribble fakes from Malachi gives me some hope of a much better wing scorer very soon.
Take for the Wolves here is DC's expiring and Affalo's lighter and shorter contract
Yeah, I'd like to have Rubio on this team but I don't see any deal in which we trade him and wind up better positioned to make the playoffs, in fact I think it would do the opposite. The truth of the matter is that Collison is one of the only players we can count on making those mid to long range shots on a consistent basis, as he has done it his entire career. I wouldn't mind trading him but I fear it would result in some major deficiencies on the team.
This is exactly what I have been saying the last few days.
Even if we want to, we won't be able to keep both Collison and Lawson beyond this season so we need to make a call which one we would like to keep and try and trade the other one for an asset. Whether that is a player that addresses another need or a draft pick that we would use in the trade to get another player, that really is irrelevant at the moment. Once you trade away one of them, you are not letting the asset expire and there is always a Jordan Farmer type waiting in the wings somewhere looking for a contract that we can sign as a back up.
Having said that, I don't expect us to make any trades but stranger things have happened.
Even if we want to, we won't be able to keep both Collison and Lawson beyond this season so we need to make a call which one we would like to keep and try and trade the other one for an asset. Whether that is a player that addresses another need or a draft pick that we would use in the trade to get another player, that really is irrelevant at the moment. Once you trade away one of them, you are not letting the asset expire and there is always a Jordan Farmer type waiting in the wings somewhere looking for a contract that we can sign as a back up.
Having said that, I don't expect us to make any trades but stranger things have happened.
I'm no sure, it's true: I don't see anyone throw more than a starting job and Lin money at Darren ($12m) and how many teams would give multi-year deals to Ty above MLE ($8m)?
Darren is definitely is not top-15 PG and he does occasionally have trouble getting team into sets, especially under pressure, but it's also a question of availability: don't see any better options in FA. Realistic ones, of course: Teague and Hill are out there, but their teams are likely middle seeds this season; Holiday is also a viable option, but he has Davis. And their teams don't have a ton of space, so they are locked into their PGs. How much money above their own teams' offers will Kings have to go? There's always a concept of a gap: while not a top-15 PG, DC is not that much worse than anyone outside of top-10. Plus main relative deficiency of Darren is offset by having certain fella, who is overwhelmingly good at that for his position.
I guess, Derrick Rose is out there as well.
Darren is definitely is not top-15 PG and he does occasionally have trouble getting team into sets, especially under pressure, but it's also a question of availability: don't see any better options in FA. Realistic ones, of course: Teague and Hill are out there, but their teams are likely middle seeds this season; Holiday is also a viable option, but he has Davis. And their teams don't have a ton of space, so they are locked into their PGs. How much money above their own teams' offers will Kings have to go? There's always a concept of a gap: while not a top-15 PG, DC is not that much worse than anyone outside of top-10. Plus main relative deficiency of Darren is offset by having certain fella, who is overwhelmingly good at that for his position.
I guess, Derrick Rose is out there as well.
see if Memphis would like Koufos back? Get a young player and 2nd rounder back?
One guy I'd like the Kings to go for is Bledsoe but would probably take Afflalo (get cap space), Skal, and another player (1st round pick next year) so not sure how it would work.
Mudiay is being shopped but don't see Denver wanting to trade with us or us being interested.
One guy I'd like the Kings to go for is Bledsoe but would probably take Afflalo (get cap space), Skal, and another player (1st round pick next year) so not sure how it would work.
Mudiay is being shopped but don't see Denver wanting to trade with us or us being interested.
I like Ty. Actually our second best signing this season. But I'm a bit worried, what he will command as a FA and I'm worried about his age. Ty Lawson is entirely dependant on his quickness. He will be close to 30 at the start of next season. Signing him longterm might include the risk to be bound to an undersized and declining player.
I agree, that Lawson has been a very decent defender and he is the only one able to break down a defense, when Cousins sits.
But stats are highly dependant on playing time and player role in the offense. Lawson will indeed give you decent stats, if you fully commit to him and let him be the decision maker. The problem is, that Lawson isn't the guy, who I would like next to DMC. I don't think those two are a very good pairing. Lawson wants to speed up the game as much as humanly possible. That's his strong point. He is not a great shooter. His drives are most dangerous, when in transition or when he attacks before the D can get set. He is ideal next to WCS, until father time finally runs him down and takes away some of his quickness.
Joseph on the other hand, plays an entirely different role. When you take a look at the regular 5 man combinations of the Raptors it's obvious, that Joseph always plays with one of the ball dominant guards of the Raptors. He is never the lone decision maker. In fact he plays way more in the off the ball role. When you look at NBA team stats the Raptors are tied with the Suns for the least assists per game this season. What does that mean? Are Lowry or Joseph unable to run a team? I don't think so - the role of the guards in the Raptors system is to finish. The guards are scorers and not playmakers.
So after all there are reasons, why Joseph has an entirely different statline than Lawson.
What makes Joseph appealing is, that he is signed for a couple of years to a reasonable contract. He is in his prime. He recieved a very fundamentally sound basketball education in the Spurs school. He is a hard worker, even voluntarily going to the D-League to get playing time and to get better when with the Spurs. He is a full sized combo guard able to play and to defend both guards positions. From my observations he has a very decent understanding of the pick&roll. He is ranked 19th in Assist to Turnover ratio in 2016/17 meaning he usually takes very good care of the ball, which is absolutely crucial, if we want to continue down the DMC road, where every live ball TO is costly. This year he extended his game out to the 3pt line, shooting a decent percentage, although most of his 3 pointers are assisted, meaning he maybe is not a good off the dribble shooter from 3 yet.
So despite his unimpressive statline there is a lot to like about Corey Joseph.
His skillset maybe makes him more of a possible DC successor, than a substitute for Ty Lawson, but he is certainly a PG I would like on the Kings.
Generally my prefered type of PG is very consistent:
Big, versatile, good defender (which is the biggest question mark with Joseph this year), decent playmaker, decent shooter or at least young enough to become a decent shooter over time.
Sadly those guys don't grow on trees. So when you rule out someone like Joseph, how should the Kings go forward at the PG position?
Should we resign DC and Lawson and continue to field one of the smallest PG rotations of the league, which hinders our ability to switch ball screens? Do you think we have a chance to sign one of Hill, Holiday or Teague? Or should we go after guys like Mill, Livingston or even Rose or Jennings?
Because for me the PG position is one of the biggest question marks for the Kings going forward and it seems extremely difficult to upgrade it.
But stats are highly dependant on playing time and player role in the offense. Lawson will indeed give you decent stats, if you fully commit to him and let him be the decision maker. The problem is, that Lawson isn't the guy, who I would like next to DMC. I don't think those two are a very good pairing. Lawson wants to speed up the game as much as humanly possible. That's his strong point. He is not a great shooter. His drives are most dangerous, when in transition or when he attacks before the D can get set. He is ideal next to WCS, until father time finally runs him down and takes away some of his quickness.
Joseph on the other hand, plays an entirely different role. When you take a look at the regular 5 man combinations of the Raptors it's obvious, that Joseph always plays with one of the ball dominant guards of the Raptors. He is never the lone decision maker. In fact he plays way more in the off the ball role. When you look at NBA team stats the Raptors are tied with the Suns for the least assists per game this season. What does that mean? Are Lowry or Joseph unable to run a team? I don't think so - the role of the guards in the Raptors system is to finish. The guards are scorers and not playmakers.
So after all there are reasons, why Joseph has an entirely different statline than Lawson.
What makes Joseph appealing is, that he is signed for a couple of years to a reasonable contract. He is in his prime. He recieved a very fundamentally sound basketball education in the Spurs school. He is a hard worker, even voluntarily going to the D-League to get playing time and to get better when with the Spurs. He is a full sized combo guard able to play and to defend both guards positions. From my observations he has a very decent understanding of the pick&roll. He is ranked 19th in Assist to Turnover ratio in 2016/17 meaning he usually takes very good care of the ball, which is absolutely crucial, if we want to continue down the DMC road, where every live ball TO is costly. This year he extended his game out to the 3pt line, shooting a decent percentage, although most of his 3 pointers are assisted, meaning he maybe is not a good off the dribble shooter from 3 yet.
So despite his unimpressive statline there is a lot to like about Corey Joseph.
His skillset maybe makes him more of a possible DC successor, than a substitute for Ty Lawson, but he is certainly a PG I would like on the Kings.
Generally my prefered type of PG is very consistent:
Big, versatile, good defender (which is the biggest question mark with Joseph this year), decent playmaker, decent shooter or at least young enough to become a decent shooter over time.
Sadly those guys don't grow on trees. So when you rule out someone like Joseph, how should the Kings go forward at the PG position?
Should we resign DC and Lawson and continue to field one of the smallest PG rotations of the league, which hinders our ability to switch ball screens? Do you think we have a chance to sign one of Hill, Holiday or Teague? Or should we go after guys like Mill, Livingston or even Rose or Jennings?
Because for me the PG position is one of the biggest question marks for the Kings going forward and it seems extremely difficult to upgrade it.
Do not understand the criminal aspect.
It would be miracle to pull the first rounder for any of the four expiring (Lawson, Collison, Ben or Casspi). Who is the fifth? Injured Rudy?
Do not see how missing on second rounders is criminal.
On the other side, the best two talents happen to be the only two PGs we have, trading one will be immediate 'no-playoff' signal.
Casspi has been injured forever and Ben is a (poor) man of mystery. None has a high value.
Current misfits are also gelling and functioning quite well as a team (finally).
It is possible something will happen, but I would prefer nothing than getting silly contract in return for marginal upgrade or second rounders to give up the playoff fight.
It would be miracle to pull the first rounder for any of the four expiring (Lawson, Collison, Ben or Casspi). Who is the fifth? Injured Rudy?
Do not see how missing on second rounders is criminal.
On the other side, the best two talents happen to be the only two PGs we have, trading one will be immediate 'no-playoff' signal.
Casspi has been injured forever and Ben is a (poor) man of mystery. None has a high value.
Current misfits are also gelling and functioning quite well as a team (finally).
It is possible something will happen, but I would prefer nothing than getting silly contract in return for marginal upgrade or second rounders to give up the playoff fight.
Well first, your idea of the perfect PG would get no argument from most people. But as you say, they don't grow on tree's. Secondly, if your keeping Lawson, and adding Joseph, then I don't have an argument with you. I agree that Cousins operates best in a halfcourt game, and the faster the pace, the less effective he is. However, I think Lawson is capable of playing at a slower pace if he has to, and there's nothing stopping him from taking advantage of a fast break if it presents itself. One of the reason I wanted to start Willie next to Cousins was because if Lawson is the PG, he has Willie out there to run the floor.
The word Criminal was a play on words. Like, not doing your job. Not meant to be taken literally. I hate when I have to explain this stuff. I said around five, because although he's not legally a freeagent, the Kings could let Afflalo walk as well because only 1.5 mil of his contract is guaranteed next season. For that matter, they could do the same to Tolliver who is only owed 2 mil. And then, as you stated, there's always the possibility that Gay decides to opt out despite the injury. So it's entirely possible that seven players currently on the team won't be here next season. I doubt that happens, but it's possible. That said, it might be a good idea to try and get something in return for some of them.
I took criminal as being a big deal. Sorry if I misunderstood.
Yeah, it would be nice to have something from those guys, but if we get 1-2 second rounders less by letting them walk and keep this team intact till the end of the season I will not lose any sleep.
If Divac manages to get something beyond second rounder, that would be exceeding expectations. Guess we have different definition of what "doing their job" means in this situation or different estimate of the value of our flexible pieces.
Yeah, it would be nice to have something from those guys, but if we get 1-2 second rounders less by letting them walk and keep this team intact till the end of the season I will not lose any sleep.
If Divac manages to get something beyond second rounder, that would be exceeding expectations. Guess we have different definition of what "doing their job" means in this situation or different estimate of the value of our flexible pieces.
Seems like a lot of people like Lawson, but I'm not a big fan of him. He's never been known as anything except a below-average defender. He's highly motivated this year to play good defense... $$$$. Once he gets paid, can you count on him bringing in the same defensive intensity? I don't know. Especially looking at his past year with both the Rockets and Pacers.
On top of his mediocre at best defense, on offense, he likes to play high-tempo. This doesn't suit Cousins at all. Lawson isn't effective in a half-court offense. He can't shoot 3s anymore. He constantly gets blocked under the rim. He's a good passer, but not a good playmaker imo. A good playmaker is someone like Rondo.
I really hope Lawson wouldn't be the reason preventing us from pursuing someone like CoJo who's 4 years younger on a cheap contract. I think Lawson is overrated. He provides bench spark, but he's not a starting PG anymore. He doesn't have the scoring ability nor defensive ability to be a starting PG. Lawson's stats from Denver are inflated by Karls' high offense.
On top of his mediocre at best defense, on offense, he likes to play high-tempo. This doesn't suit Cousins at all. Lawson isn't effective in a half-court offense. He can't shoot 3s anymore. He constantly gets blocked under the rim. He's a good passer, but not a good playmaker imo. A good playmaker is someone like Rondo.
I really hope Lawson wouldn't be the reason preventing us from pursuing someone like CoJo who's 4 years younger on a cheap contract. I think Lawson is overrated. He provides bench spark, but he's not a starting PG anymore. He doesn't have the scoring ability nor defensive ability to be a starting PG. Lawson's stats from Denver are inflated by Karls' high offense.