2016 NBA Draft Discussion
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Richardson plays as if he's Kobe: all he really has to show is 1 half of Virginia game, when his junk shots all went in, but usually it's fall-away jumpers, that don't fall. Richardson has very low steal numbers for a member of Syracuse zone, average athleticism, and though he has 7' wingspan, he also has very long neck, so his is reach is meh. At least D.Murray has excellent handles, too bad he doesn't know, how to play as a PG.
Bender is basically useless as a post player. He has almost no post moves and can't guard in the post to save his life. He's lengthy so he can get a few blocks here and there, but anyone with a decent fake is going to score on him. He also can't score unless he is wide open and changes his shot drastically if a player closes out hard on him. Lastly, based on what I saw in his videos is that he doesn't know what a box out is.
He does have some qualities . He looks like he is a solid passer for his size and runs the floor really well. His body type is also ideal. But IMO he is the Bruno Caboclo of big men. A solid upside, but is 2 years away from being 2 years away. Which wouldn't be a problem except that we are trying to win now.
Murray and Richardson are both raw too but look like they can at least contribute somehow right away. They both move really well without the ball in their hands which is something Bender does not do.
EDIT: Richardson was just an example. I haven't seen enough of him to actually make a decision. I was just giving an example of a player who at least has some NBA ready skills.
He does have some qualities . He looks like he is a solid passer for his size and runs the floor really well. His body type is also ideal. But IMO he is the Bruno Caboclo of big men. A solid upside, but is 2 years away from being 2 years away. Which wouldn't be a problem except that we are trying to win now.
Murray and Richardson are both raw too but look like they can at least contribute somehow right away. They both move really well without the ball in their hands which is something Bender does not do.
EDIT: Richardson was just an example. I haven't seen enough of him to actually make a decision. I was just giving an example of a player who at least has some NBA ready skills.
Hield is exactly the kind of player who's stock falls in the draft. As combines/workouts get more in-depth,teams are going to see bigger/stronger/faster/younger players thrive over someone like Hield and fall in love with the "what-if" potential.
Little thought experiment, if we could put any second option next to Boogie (who's actually a second option in real life), to me it'd be Klay Thompson hands down. Hell, Klay might be in my top 10 list of people I'd want to pair with Boogie out of everywhere. You want somebody whos a lights-out catch and shoot player, can shoot with pressure in their face and can create off their own bounce with the ability to score from anywhere on the floor.We just saw Hield do exactly that against some of the best defenses in the country with a 30%+ USG rate.
Little thought experiment, if we could put any second option next to Boogie (who's actually a second option in real life), to me it'd be Klay Thompson hands down. Hell, Klay might be in my top 10 list of people I'd want to pair with Boogie out of everywhere. You want somebody whos a lights-out catch and shoot player, can shoot with pressure in their face and can create off their own bounce with the ability to score from anywhere on the floor.We just saw Hield do exactly that against some of the best defenses in the country with a 30%+ USG rate.
Thing is, we already have an outstanding compliment in Omri to step right in to big minutes. He was far and away our 2nd best player last year and a big reason why is because he actually plays off what Boogie (and Rondo) did last year. He really is a perfect role player to a star; great catch-and-shoot player, great motor, good defender, stays out of the way offensively. So if we drafted Hield, swapped Reke for Rudy, we'd end up with:
PG:Reke
SG:Hield
SF: Casspi
PF: WCS
C: Boogie
Tremendous defensive potential, great spacing for Reke/Boogie, can get out in transition. The big question would be if we could trust Reke's ankles to hold up.
PG:Reke
SG:Hield
SF: Casspi
PF: WCS
C: Boogie
Tremendous defensive potential, great spacing for Reke/Boogie, can get out in transition. The big question would be if we could trust Reke's ankles to hold up.
That's pretty much how I feel and it's part of the Kings' struggles that their second option on offense is a guy with very little trade value. Rudy is a volume scorer while not really being much of a shooter or defender and whose efficiency plummets when asked to be a primary option.
One possible option is the Bulls who reportedly showed showed some interest at the deadline. Rudy for #14 and say, Mirotic or McDermott (both of whom I'd want to flip for a defender) would give the Kings another pick and open up more caproom.
I'd trade Rudy & #8 for #3 or #4 but I don't see the Celtics or Suns being interested.
One possible option is the Bulls who reportedly showed showed some interest at the deadline. Rudy for #14 and say, Mirotic or McDermott (both of whom I'd want to flip for a defender) would give the Kings another pick and open up more caproom.
I'd trade Rudy & #8 for #3 or #4 but I don't see the Celtics or Suns being interested.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...omenal__workout__is_he_on_Sixers__radar_.html
Apparently, Malachi Richardson killed his workouts, and could be considered a top 10 or so pick. Again, all of this could just be smoke screen.....
....But........I just don't get it. Richardson is a 20yearold freshman who's extremely ball dominant, and doesn't know how to pass. Loves to iso, and is inefficient scoring wise.
Apparently, Malachi Richardson killed his workouts, and could be considered a top 10 or so pick. Again, all of this could just be smoke screen.....
....But........I just don't get it. Richardson is a 20yearold freshman who's extremely ball dominant, and doesn't know how to pass. Loves to iso, and is inefficient scoring wise.
https://twitter.com/stevekylernba/status/740927710919266304
Kyler with who he thinks TWolves are taking......Dunn or Murray
Kyler with who he thinks TWolves are taking......Dunn or Murray
No above average defender between 1-3 slots, and one of them is a rookie, so he's guaranteed to be bad-to-below average defender.
He already had a very important game, where every stupid fall-away was falling, so it's no surprise, that he can put together similar shooting display in the open gym. Any exec, who will buy it, deserves to be dismissed though.
He already had a very important game, where every stupid fall-away was falling, so it's no surprise, that he can put together similar shooting display in the open gym. Any exec, who will buy it, deserves to be dismissed though.
https://twitter.com/stevekylernba/status/740961518196514816
Kyler saying that Nuggets are bringing in Skal Labbierrse(sp) to workout after watching him on his workout day.....interested in him at 7 potentially. If Bender drops, here's the 2 nd big that might make it into the top 7
Kyler saying that Nuggets are bringing in Skal Labbierrse(sp) to workout after watching him on his workout day.....interested in him at 7 potentially. If Bender drops, here's the 2 nd big that might make it into the top 7
https://twitter.com/stevekylernba/status/740986528999088128
Isaiah Cousins is starting to get consideration for late first......this is Boogie's brother?
Isaiah Cousins is starting to get consideration for late first......this is Boogie's brother?
I think Jaylen Brown will be the one to fall. The Celtics have a really well rounded team, but lack a go to scorer. I think they take Hield. Suns are kind of a wild card, but no mock I've seen has them taking Brown. Not that they need a guard with Knight, Bledsoe, and Booker in the back court already. Most mocks have them selecting Bender or Chriss. I think they go with Bender here just because he is the more frequently cited player. Wolves go with Dunn or Murray. Dunn looks so much more well rounded so I'd imagine he'd be the pick. Pelicans take whatever guard Wolves don't, so Murray. Nuggets are set at PG, SG, and C. Gary Harris looks like the future at SG so I think they go for a PF and take whoever is left between Bender and Chriss. That leaves the Kings with Brown who I would be thrilled with as he looks like a Stanley Johnson clone to me.
There's no guarantee that Rubio leaves after next year. On his part he said he wanted to make the playoffs, and would probably leave if the team didn't. I think they easily make the playoffs next season. Now it's possible that the T Wolves don't make an effort to resign him after next season, but once again, that probably depends on how he and the team play and the results. If I'm the T Wolves, I need perimeter shooting and Murray would bring that. As would Hield.
Dunn can shoot 3s too and I don't think Murray is that much better than Dunn at shooting from the outside.
At any rate, I actually think there is a good chance Dunn go higher than #5. I think he is clearly the third best player right now and it wouldn't surprise me if the Celtics or Suns swing a trade or even draft Dunn outright.
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At any rate, I actually think there is a good chance Dunn go higher than #5. I think he is clearly the third best player right now and it wouldn't surprise me if the Celtics or Suns swing a trade or even draft Dunn outright.
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I can definitely see Brown falling. NBA body and athleticism but not much more to his game at this point. There's not a skill that I can point to that I think will immediately allow him to earn time in the NBA. I hate saying it as a Cal alum, but he's not a guy I'd want the Kings to draft. Doubly so when he'd presumably have Gay & Casspi in front of him. Honestly if one of the two of them was headed to the draft Rabb was better positioned. He has a more rounded game and Brown is the one that needs more seasoning/development.
But I don't see the Celtics taking Hield. They already have solid guard play between Bradley, Smart and Thomas (not to mention Rozier and Hunter) and Ainge has also always been more of a gambler. He knows the value of having a star. If they don't trade the pick (say to Philly for Okafor) then I think he'll make more of a swing for the fences. It's why I can almost believe Draft Express' current mock being right about him drafting Chriss.
As for Dunn, there's some substance to the idea that Thibs would love him for his defensive potential. But (1) Rubio is already a good defender and (2) I think Thibs would hate how turnover Dunn can be. He's maybe my favorite prospect in the draft but he's really loose with his handle and makes some head scratching passes at times. I wouldn't be surprised to see Thibodeau opt for a guy who has the potential to contribute sooner. Hield makes some sense. But even though he's a freshman I think Murray is a guy that you can play minutes early on and not have him hurt you. He's weak defensively but has a lot of poise and his shooting will translate. In time he could be a really nice 3rd guard with Rubio and LaVine as a shooter and secondary ballhandler/playmaker.
I'm not big on Jamal Murray but he's much, much better shooting from outside. Dunn's mechanics need to get cleaned up and that's why he's so inconsistent as a shooter. Murray stroke is simple and consistent and even his misses usually look good. Dunn's misses can get wild. His free throw percentage is a testament to the fact that while he's not a bad shooter per se, he needs some work.
But I don't see the Celtics taking Hield. They already have solid guard play between Bradley, Smart and Thomas (not to mention Rozier and Hunter) and Ainge has also always been more of a gambler. He knows the value of having a star. If they don't trade the pick (say to Philly for Okafor) then I think he'll make more of a swing for the fences. It's why I can almost believe Draft Express' current mock being right about him drafting Chriss.
As for Dunn, there's some substance to the idea that Thibs would love him for his defensive potential. But (1) Rubio is already a good defender and (2) I think Thibs would hate how turnover Dunn can be. He's maybe my favorite prospect in the draft but he's really loose with his handle and makes some head scratching passes at times. I wouldn't be surprised to see Thibodeau opt for a guy who has the potential to contribute sooner. Hield makes some sense. But even though he's a freshman I think Murray is a guy that you can play minutes early on and not have him hurt you. He's weak defensively but has a lot of poise and his shooting will translate. In time he could be a really nice 3rd guard with Rubio and LaVine as a shooter and secondary ballhandler/playmaker.
I'm not big on Jamal Murray but he's much, much better shooting from outside. Dunn's mechanics need to get cleaned up and that's why he's so inconsistent as a shooter. Murray stroke is simple and consistent and even his misses usually look good. Dunn's misses can get wild. His free throw percentage is a testament to the fact that while he's not a bad shooter per se, he needs some work.
Very little surprise there. I would probably add Hield at the other one in the mix.
I still believe Thibs would absolutely love Dunn. Having said that, if he is set to build around KAT and Wiggins you might want someone to spread the floor and this is where Murray and Hield come in. Murray probably has a bit more appeal in a sense that he is more of a combo guard which allows you to have some solid ball handing in the backcourt when Rubio sits (Murray/LaVine). Having said that it wouldn't surprise me if Thibs decides to trade LaVine down the track.
I still believe Thibs would absolutely love Dunn. Having said that, if he is set to build around KAT and Wiggins you might want someone to spread the floor and this is where Murray and Hield come in. Murray probably has a bit more appeal in a sense that he is more of a combo guard which allows you to have some solid ball handing in the backcourt when Rubio sits (Murray/LaVine). Having said that it wouldn't surprise me if Thibs decides to trade LaVine down the track.
Sadly, I agree with you, but I'm going to remain optimistic based on the other teams needs. And, Murray is a better three point shooter than Dunn. Dunn wasn't a slouch, but he was inconsistent. Yes, he shot around 38 percent, but it was an inconsistent 38 percent. He did it by going 3 out of 4 one game, and 0 for 4 the next, and so on. whereas Murray shot over 40% for the season and did it more consistently every game. This is where stats don't tell the whole story.
Look, I love Dunn. That's why I want him to drop to us, but he's not perfect, and for that reason, he may drop. I'm already on record saying that in three or four years Dunn may end up being the best player out of this draft. I would prefer that we trade up and grab him. But that probably won't happen.
Look, I love Dunn. That's why I want him to drop to us, but he's not perfect, and for that reason, he may drop. I'm already on record saying that in three or four years Dunn may end up being the best player out of this draft. I would prefer that we trade up and grab him. But that probably won't happen.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/9/11884856/malachi-richardson-nba-draft-2016-syracuse
The hype sounds legit. And I think it shows how thin this draft is that teams have to go hunting this far from the norm for worthy talent.
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The T Wolves have no consistent outside shooters, unless you count LaVine, and he never saw a shot he didn't like. LaVine is like Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde. Right after he amazes you with one play, he has you scratching your head wondering what the hell he's doing on the next play. Minny still doesn't know what position he plays, and I don't think he knows either. LaVine is fun to watch at times though. For those reasons, I think they take either Hield or Murray. If I'm them, I take Murray if he's there. He's a much better passer, he's younger, and he has a very BBIQ. Defensively between the two, it's probably a push.
Also this one on Chriss raising to top 10.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2016-washingtons-marquese-chriss-soars-into-top-10/
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2016-washingtons-marquese-chriss-soars-into-top-10/
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Just want to say: I am not feeling this draft right now. Not super excited about the guys who I think will be available to the Kings.
At this point, I am rooting for trading this pick.
At any rate, this is my draft order:
1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Dunn
4. Chriss
5. Murray
6. Brown
7. Hield
8. ??
Coincidentally, I am pretty stoke on Kay Felder as a change of pace rotation player; and I think he is as good as many of the guys in the 1st round.
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At this point, I am rooting for trading this pick.
At any rate, this is my draft order:
1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Dunn
4. Chriss
5. Murray
6. Brown
7. Hield
8. ??
Coincidentally, I am pretty stoke on Kay Felder as a change of pace rotation player; and I think he is as good as many of the guys in the 1st round.
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I have Richardson at 26th on my board, and to be honest, that may be too high. The fact that he played for Syracuse is enough to scare me. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. They play nothing but a zone, and they play the zone well. Well enough to cover the deficiencies of a player. Richardson plays out of control too often to suit me, and is a terrible mid-range shooter. Anyone that takes him in the lottery is nuts in my opinion. Not saying he couldn't turn into something, but that the odds are against him as compared to some other players I would take ahead of him.
I spent a lot of time over the week-end watching film of Juan Hernangomez and Petr Cornelie, and both those guys are impressive if your looking at them at the bottom half of the first round. I was surprised by their athleticism. Both players handle the ball pretty well for big men, and both shoot the ball well from the perimeter. They both need experience and polish, but I'd rather take a gamble on one of them over Richardson.
I spent a lot of time over the week-end watching film of Juan Hernangomez and Petr Cornelie, and both those guys are impressive if your looking at them at the bottom half of the first round. I was surprised by their athleticism. Both players handle the ball pretty well for big men, and both shoot the ball well from the perimeter. They both need experience and polish, but I'd rather take a gamble on one of them over Richardson.
Unless the pick is part of a larger trade, you'll never get equal value for it. For that reason, I'm against trading it. The Kings can get a player that can help them at eight. How soon that player will help depends on who it is. Regardless of how soon, you can't beat the price, and you have that player for four years at that low price. So it's not much of a gamble, and if you do your homework, and are good at developing your players, you could end up with something of value.