If this team can add either Murray or Dunn or Baldwin to the backcourt bench, then this will be a good draft. Baldwin will be available at 8. Murray or Dunn have a chance as long as team are in love with Chriss AND Bender also goes. I'd like to keep Curry, I think he plays good defense and knock down the longball and has a fairly good IQ. Plus I have to believe his brothers work ethic has to be part of his makeup as well. Keep Rondo or Collison but not both. Keep Ben or Bellinelli but not both. Must add a SG who has some 3 and D qualities and has some length. There is Bazemore but I also wouldn't mind a guy like Roberson if they can find that.
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All I've seen from Baldwin are YouTube clips. Based off of that I basically see a poor man's Kris Dunn besides shooting ability. He's got smoother mechanics than Dunn imo.
One thing I do really like about him is his length. The dudes got crazy length and we need backcourt defenders. I think he could easily step in and help there.
It also seems he's got good vision and at least an average bball iq. His passing impressed me.
On the negative side, he does not move very fluid with the ball. He looks kind of slow and will need to work on driving and finishing.
One thing I do really like about him is his length. The dudes got crazy length and we need backcourt defenders. I think he could easily step in and help there.
It also seems he's got good vision and at least an average bball iq. His passing impressed me.
On the negative side, he does not move very fluid with the ball. He looks kind of slow and will need to work on driving and finishing.
I think Baldwin is really hampered by not being a strong ballhandler. He is a late bloomer so there's hope he'll develop considerably but right now that's a big part of why he doesn't look fluid and why he has trouble finishing. He's not nifty with the ball near the basket so he's really forced into pretty much straight line drives. And while he measures out as a good athlete he doesn't use that athleticism well in games at all.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings trade down (assuming Dunn, Hield etc aren't there at #8) to draft Baldwin and maybe pick up a late first. Maybe #13 & #28 from Phoenix? There are some guys with very strong role player potential that will be available in the latter part of the first round.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings trade down (assuming Dunn, Hield etc aren't there at #8) to draft Baldwin and maybe pick up a late first. Maybe #13 & #28 from Phoenix? There are some guys with very strong role player potential that will be available in the latter part of the first round.
I believe Curry is a RFA. His contract is very unique so I'm not sure what his cap hold would be, but it might be 200% which means that Curry's contract could only take up around $1.9 mil in cap room (with the ability to sign him for more after other FAs).
I would add Crabbe & S. Hill to your SG list and Nicholson to your backup PF list.
I would add Crabbe & S. Hill to your SG list and Nicholson to your backup PF list.
I'm surprised no one has brought up Patrick Beverly as an option. With DAntoni in in Houston he should be available. Great defender and although he's limited on offense he has been getting better with the 3 ball. I think he fits well as a platoon partner with Collison, start Beverly for his defense and run the ball through Cousins and Gay and bring more scoring off the bench when it's needed. For all the talk about needing to improve the defense, Joerger can't do it all just with schemes, it's going to take bringing in some defensive players in the starting lineup, and Beverly is arguably one of if not the best defensive point guard playing right now. WCS should help there also, so adding those two as big minute players starting with Cuz and Gay, and then hopefully between the cap space and the 8 pick a two way player at SG, and a coach like Joerger, and you could see quite the defensive turn around with this team.
I wonder if FA players and agents are taking notice of the moves being made with Sac and the appearance of stability. The hires this Summer have been solid. Hiring Joerger gives us some legitimacy to things. Is it enough to persuade some of these players to consider Sac.....and specifically, I'm looking at Conley.
But THE PG from the NBA would be great on the Kings!
I agree with this. Acquiring something like the 28th pick in the draft would allow you to take a shot on someone with a high ceiling, but who is very raw. Like a Thon Maker. Don't know if Baldwin will still be there at 13, but it's possible. Personally I'm still hoping that either Dunn, Hield, or Murray fall to us at eight. I agree on Baldwin. He's an excellent athlete, but his lack of strength, and his ballhandling prevent him from being a good finisher. Instead of finishing at the basket, he usually throws up some kind of floater. It's an area he should improve on in the future.
The criticism of Baldwin is absolutely fair. Not the strongest of handles but has a nice size, very good shot and good defensive potential.
Like you I am also hoping for Dunn, Hield or Murray (in that order). Even Dunn needs to tighten up his handle a bit more, work on his shot and play more under control but at least there is something to work with there and he can be a solid contributor in his rookie year. If we end up with Dunn, I would actually consider hiring a shooting coach on the stuff and get him to work with Dunn and even WCS to improve the stroke. I would also get Dunn to constantly work on his handle and watch a lot of film along the way.
The kid has a potential to be an all-star type player but there is a LOT of work that needs to be done before he gets to that point. If he gets there all of a sudden DMC-WCS-Dunn trio is a pretty good foundation to build around.
Like you I am also hoping for Dunn, Hield or Murray (in that order). Even Dunn needs to tighten up his handle a bit more, work on his shot and play more under control but at least there is something to work with there and he can be a solid contributor in his rookie year. If we end up with Dunn, I would actually consider hiring a shooting coach on the stuff and get him to work with Dunn and even WCS to improve the stroke. I would also get Dunn to constantly work on his handle and watch a lot of film along the way.
The kid has a potential to be an all-star type player but there is a LOT of work that needs to be done before he gets to that point. If he gets there all of a sudden DMC-WCS-Dunn trio is a pretty good foundation to build around.
Don't think we have that much cap room to do it to be honest. Conley will get a max deal from someone and Lee won't come cheap either. I think it would be a case of one or the other but not both. That's even not taking into consideration whether they want to come to Sacramento to start off with.
Obviously if you get Lee, it's not going to use up all of the cap room but it will use up a pretty decent chunk of it.
Obviously if you get Lee, it's not going to use up all of the cap room but it will use up a pretty decent chunk of it.
I actually really like this idea. Rivers was a lottery pick that has not quite gone as planned, but has definitely started to show his potential. He is tough, plays solid D, and has developed into a solid offensive player. I think he would be a better fit long term than Rondo and a good bit cheaper. His last game against Portland in the playoffs sold me on him.
i'm not sure that seth curry is ready for that at all. he showed some nice flashes toward the end of last season, but the franchise has a mandate to improve in the win/loss column as the kings move into the golden 1 center, so vlade and coach joerger will certainly be looking to solidify the starting PG position this offseason. with darren collison's fate up in the air, i really don't know what the kings have in mind, and i don't know if they're interested in retaining rajon rondo, but i can almost guarantee that seth will not be getting the lion's share of minutes at the point next season. in a conference of stephen curry's and russell westbrook's and damien lillard's and chris paul's, you really don't want to throw the largely untested seth curry out there as a starter every night...
I don't even consider Curry a PG. He is a SG that is too short to play SG, so by default he plays PG. He can make the correct passes and he won't hold up the flow of the offense, but running a team is not what I consider playing to his strengths. He's a shooter and a shot maker. A really watered down version of his brother.
Maybe on a team that is rebuilding and where the goal is to accumulate young talent and develop them regardless of the results.
For a team that is trying to make the play offs Curry is a solid 3rd string PG who will get minutes in the blow outs or if you REALLY get injuries to your main to PGs.
I prefer to go into next season with a very good PG rotation (similar to what we had this year). I am happy for Curry to remain our 3rd PG but anything more than that and we are just not serious enough.
For a team that is trying to make the play offs Curry is a solid 3rd string PG who will get minutes in the blow outs or if you REALLY get injuries to your main to PGs.
I prefer to go into next season with a very good PG rotation (similar to what we had this year). I am happy for Curry to remain our 3rd PG but anything more than that and we are just not serious enough.
Dunn and Baldwin are not alike at all:
Dunn is natural PG, who played that position his whole life, has a tight handle and a lot of shiftiness, so he operates by probing due to ability to change direction and gears rapidly. He's not particularly effective at P&R due to inability to pull-up coming off a screen, so everyone just goes under, as he really struggles to shoot on balance in those situations. Dunn has no problem pulling up, when he's already facing the basket, makes a move towards the rim and, if, anticipating, defender tries to shut the lane and give up a bit of space, Dunn can rise and shoot. He likes to create for others, not particularly adept at moving off the ball, though he sometimes use cuts well, so you're drafting Dunn to be your #1-2 offensive option (in terms of touches, not necessarily amount of shots) as you really need him on the ball, so a team will have to at least give him keys to the second unit right from the start.
Baldwin played SG in HS and was recruited as such. But midway through his freshman year coaching stuff noticed, that their new SG is a better playmaker than the nominal PG. Baldwin got control of the team for less than half of his sophomore season, so he's still combo-guard-ish, doesn't have enough experience, instincts, though the fact, that he caught up with Dunn's assist rate after given more control by Conference play this year, is pretty telling. Baldwin seems to be almost always on balance and too upright. It's the second reason after lacking handles, why he seems to lack burst and shiftiness, as you can't change direction quickly in that stance. But it also allows Baldwin to make big steps: if you watch Baldwin's workout video, he makes from corner 3pt line to the basket in 2 steps. That would be his weapon: seeing an opening and covering 15-18 feet, before anyone can react. That actually is Westbrook-like, though at slower speed, of course, so it's not just Baldwin's "full head of speed one man" fastbreaks, that make him look like Russ. Maintaining balance during movement also makes Baldwin a big threat coming off a screen as he can instantly pull up. When Baldwin has to navigate the paint and move side-to-side, situation rapidly deteriorates as he struggles to keep the balance on his shot and doesn't have floater game, which would be a natural answer for him, but here we come back to the fact, that he just didn't have this problem before due to not playing PG, so Baldwin just didn't have the need to develop floater earlier, and there's no time to practice skills during a season. Baldwin is better suited starting his career as next to another playmaking guard and move closer to full-time PG as he masters different parts of PG play.
Dunn is natural PG, who played that position his whole life, has a tight handle and a lot of shiftiness, so he operates by probing due to ability to change direction and gears rapidly. He's not particularly effective at P&R due to inability to pull-up coming off a screen, so everyone just goes under, as he really struggles to shoot on balance in those situations. Dunn has no problem pulling up, when he's already facing the basket, makes a move towards the rim and, if, anticipating, defender tries to shut the lane and give up a bit of space, Dunn can rise and shoot. He likes to create for others, not particularly adept at moving off the ball, though he sometimes use cuts well, so you're drafting Dunn to be your #1-2 offensive option (in terms of touches, not necessarily amount of shots) as you really need him on the ball, so a team will have to at least give him keys to the second unit right from the start.
Baldwin played SG in HS and was recruited as such. But midway through his freshman year coaching stuff noticed, that their new SG is a better playmaker than the nominal PG. Baldwin got control of the team for less than half of his sophomore season, so he's still combo-guard-ish, doesn't have enough experience, instincts, though the fact, that he caught up with Dunn's assist rate after given more control by Conference play this year, is pretty telling. Baldwin seems to be almost always on balance and too upright. It's the second reason after lacking handles, why he seems to lack burst and shiftiness, as you can't change direction quickly in that stance. But it also allows Baldwin to make big steps: if you watch Baldwin's workout video, he makes from corner 3pt line to the basket in 2 steps. That would be his weapon: seeing an opening and covering 15-18 feet, before anyone can react. That actually is Westbrook-like, though at slower speed, of course, so it's not just Baldwin's "full head of speed one man" fastbreaks, that make him look like Russ. Maintaining balance during movement also makes Baldwin a big threat coming off a screen as he can instantly pull up. When Baldwin has to navigate the paint and move side-to-side, situation rapidly deteriorates as he struggles to keep the balance on his shot and doesn't have floater game, which would be a natural answer for him, but here we come back to the fact, that he just didn't have this problem before due to not playing PG, so Baldwin just didn't have the need to develop floater earlier, and there's no time to practice skills during a season. Baldwin is better suited starting his career as next to another playmaking guard and move closer to full-time PG as he masters different parts of PG play.