[Game] Kings v. Trailblazers - 4/5/16 - 7 PT, 10 ET

I don't see how we retain Curry if we bring back Rondo AND Collison. Only reason he's been getting minutes is because it's the end of the season and DC/Rondo have been playing less minutes. Curry imo is too small to play the 2 guard. I really don't like a 2PG system, and hasn't been effectively utilized by any top teams.

Unless we trade Collison or let Rondo go, Curry can get a better deal elsewhere. I hope I'm wrong because I feel like we found a real diamond in the rough with him.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
Henderson and Cousins were chippy all night, this was not an isolated instance. Cousins needs to be more subtle but still be physical. If Garnett does the same thing people say he is just "protecting his turf". Plumlee and the other Blazers were banging Cousins all game long. Cousins needs coaching on how to respond to physical play not some sort of intervention.

I am always amazed that the Kings best player, who has stated he wants to be in Sacramento draws all this criticism.
Look, I've defended Cuz time and time again. But what he did last night was just plain stupid. You can try and justify it any way you want, but in fact, there is no justification for what he did. The fact that he did it right in front of a ref, made it even more stupid.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Look, I've defended Cuz time and time again. But what he did last night was just plain stupid. You can try and justify it any way you want, but in fact, there is no justification for what he did. The fact that he did it right in front of a ref, made it even more stupid.
and largely irrelevant

unless of course he manages to get a tech tomorrow. Somebody should urge him to avoid that.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
Completely off topic but I didn't know where to ask this. Does anyone know where I can watch the Playing to Win documentary? I was really looking forward to watching it then it got pulled. I've tried to find it online with no luck.
It is not yet available for public viewing, due to some trademark issues with the NBA.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
But nonetheless stupid...
Sure.

And...so what? The only person losing money over the deal was Cuz. It was a game were the consensus was we probably didn't want to win it and the front office certainly went to lengths searching for that result. The playoffs are long gone (actually not so long, we weren't officially eliminated until April, likely a first in a decade). So...so what?
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
Long shots long rebounds and great athletes like Aminu and Harkless.
If we keep Cousins and Willie I hope they come together during the offseason to work on Willies offensive game and his positioning on rebounds.
That's all it comes down to really...there is no excuse for him not to be a good rebounder, he needs to learn the fundamentals first and foremost though.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
This was bugging me. Lazy rebounding by our players. It happened several times that the Blazers came over and took the rebound from our guys. That's how we lost the game. Turn overs and rebounding.
Considering the Kings shot over 50% for the game and still lost the game is comical...Blazers shot around 45% I believe? correct me if I'm wrong.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
Willie needs to bulk up a bit so he can get in there with the big boys. He is easily moved off his spot by physical bigs. That is my read on it.
A good start would be not trying to run on the other side of the court as soon as the shot goes up for the opposition
 
Look, I've defended Cuz time and time again. But what he did last night was just plain stupid. You can try and justify it any way you want, but in fact, there is no justification for what he did. The fact that he did it right in front of a ref, made it even more stupid.

Baja this is a different game and a different technical foul. Check around the 25 second mark in this video:


 
I just don't understand why we are debating Cousins technicals time and time again, instead of discusssing how we still lost with him scoring 30+ points, being our most engaged defender and rebounder.
I mean outside of the one freethrow he gifted the Blazers by shoving Henderson - what didn't he do to come out with the win?
He tries to put the whole franchise on his shoulders, but constantly gets ripped for his flaws. But do his flaws really cost us games, outside of his suspensions?
 
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KingMilz

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I just think DeMarcus Cousins Technical Fouls are being blown out of context with reality.

I don't have any problems with hard fouls (unless it's really sinister) or tech's what I do have an issue with is a guy with zero self control who misses games due to getting to many techs. I keep hearing the argument so and so player got way more techs in one year but guess what back than you didn't get suspended for it now that the rule has changed you have to adapt (life is about adapting is it not?). Unless someone is injured or something major occurs in one's life (birth/death) there's no excuse missing games cause you got 16 technical in a year, you know going in that's a number you can't get but yet you still getting it makes no sense to me. For a guy who apparently loves basketball and wants to win why are you missing games with acts that are in your control?

This is not the first time either I remember a couple season's back he promised teammates he would not get his 16 with like 10 games left and he got one anyway and missed a game.
 
I don't have any problems with hard fouls (unless it's really sinister) or tech's what I do have an issue with is a guy with zero self control who misses games due to getting to many techs. I keep hearing the argument so and so player got way more techs in one year but guess what back than you didn't get suspended for it now that the rule has changed you have to adapt (life is about adapting is it not?). Unless someone is injured or something major occurs in one's life (birth/death) there's no excuse missing games cause you got 16 technical in a year, you know going in that's a number you can't get but yet you still getting it makes no sense to me. For a guy who apparently loves basketball and wants to win why are you missing games with acts that are in your control?

This is not the first time either I remember a couple season's back he promised teammates he would not get his 16 with like 10 games left and he got one anyway and missed a game.
I understand that, but nonetheless it's always Cousins expected to do more.
He needs to control his emotions. But he needs to play physical and don't be phased by contact. He needs to carry our offense, but needs to be more efficient. He needs to anchor our defense, but needs to stay out of foul trouble. He needs to run the floor all the time, but needs to play 30+ minutes for us to have a chance.
I have no problem with criticizing Cousins, but at some point we have to realize, that we expect a whole lot from one player.
Cousins is a net positive for us, but sometimes gets trashed like he is the reason why we lose games. That just feels wrong for me.
 
The difference is winning. The fans would love Attila the Hun if the team was winning. Everyone hated Danny Ainge when he was with Boston, but when he came to the Kings, well, he was our Danny Ainge. We loved him. It's more about winning than anything else. It cures most of the problems.
There's another difference between Danny Ainge and Demarcus Cousins you might be overlooking.

And it's not winning. Let's see how the Sacramento ticket buying demographic views these two guys.

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On the left, you have a guy who cares so much he whines after every call. We love this guy. What passion, how entertaining, what a treat! Never committed a foul in his career! Look at him! There he goes again! That face! So cute! Does he always look like that? Ha, I love it. I heard he knows Larry Bird!

On the right, you have a scary mean man who averages 27/11 but makes the good people of Sacramento quite uncomfortable. He needs to know his place and shut up. He's a loser. Never will amount to anything. The cursing, that I don't care for! I heard he makes his teammates cower in fear, and he's an entitled jerk. No respect for the game, or the officials. He needs to go immediately. Complaining after every call? Give it a rest!

That whiny little dude though, I just love him! If we could have 12 Danny Ainges!

Ainge led us all the way to 23 wins in 89-90. He didn't win either.
 
Let's be real, and simple:

The bigger difference between someone like Ainge and Cousins is that Grant Napear didn't whip up Kings fans into a frenzy over every mistake like he has the past SIX YEARS against Cousins.

People are neglecting the impact of six years of ceaseless slander, executed by THE most prominent Kings voice, employed by the team, and allowed to rail on the team's best player constantly.

It's a wonder why the franchise fights itself, and can't work together to win - because Grant is THE most prominent example of the internal fighting!
He simply will not let go of his petty issues he has with cousins, to the detriment of the team and the fanbase.

And anyone who thinks that 6 years of propaganda have little effect, is just absurdly naive and ignorant at this point in history.
Propaganda has toppled nations.
Propaganda may well cause the franchise and its fanbase to march right off a cliff, blaming Cousins for its ills.
 
At this point, it's like people complaining about Shaq's free throws. Of course, he could've and should've shot a better percentage but to claim that the one flaw in his game somehow diminished the overall impact he had on the court is pretty asinine. Would the same people lament on Shaq in his prime with "if only he made more of his free throws we wouldn't be talking about trading him"? Of course not - it was nothing but a footnote, but here we are, Kings fans that really should know better, missing the forest for the trees.

And before the "but Shaq won!" crowd chimes in, replace Shaq with DMC on that 2001-2002 Lakers team - are you honestly going to tell me that team will be much different overall? Sure, they may win 55 games instead of 58, but that doesn't change the argument.

P.S. Peaches needs to be removed from his mouthpiece position - at this point he's actively hurting our franchise's long-term prospects by disenfranchising (hah, get it?!) our main star.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
Funny, I'm trying to figure out whether your validating my point of view, or saying well, everyone does it, and therefore it's OK. Maybe this comes down to what each of us is willing to endure as the price of putting up with Cousins antics. If the end justifies the means, then I have no argument against that. I've been watching basketball for a long time, and I've seen a lot of incidents that are far worse than anythng Cousins has done, but that's not the issue. It comes down to what is right and what is wrong, and what Cousins did the other night was wrong. Bricky implies that the implications are meaningless, so therefore, it's not something to get worked up about. OK, I get where he's coming from. But that's not the point.

There are several ways to judge Cousins. One way is his 27 points and 12 rebounds. No denying that! He's a very talented man, and I use the word man loosely, because he acts like a child far too often to suit me. Another other way is to exaggerate every little thing he does wrong. Make him into some sort of out of control monster. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, and it's complicated because we aren't privy to what happens behind closed doors. A lot of what we use as information is speculation. I try to judge people on what I know to be fact, not speculation. So let me be up front about one thing that leaps out at me. I see absolutely no remorse coming from Cousins about anything he does.

That bothers me! It's one thing to lose it in the heat of battle, but despite your reasons at the moment, at some point, you should be able to see the effect on your teammates and your overall effect on the game. The other night, he sucked the air out of the arena for no good reason, other than to satisfy his own needs. He argues with ref's constantly while play is still going on leaving his teammates to defend four on five, and seemingly doesn't care.

I'll be honest, if we were a 50 plus win team I'd be more inclined toward forgiveness, but were not. We stink, and no matter when or how we stink, it appears that Cousins isn't at least partially the blame. It's everything but him. I think there is some validity to that, but Cousins is also responsible. You can't take credit for every win, and shirk responsibility for the losses.

The chemistry, and climate surrounding the team is in a large part created by Cousins. That's what comes with leadership. But even there, the lack of chemistry is blamed on Karl, not Cousins. Either Cousins, or his agent has tried to pull the rug out from Karl from the get go. I get that he doesn't like Karl, but if you the leader of the team, and your already mocking the coach prior to the season, what kind of result do your think your going to get from that?

Let me say at this point that I can't wait to see Karl gone. So this has nothing to do with my love of George Karl. This has to do with Cousins being a polarizing figure that determines how successful the team will be. For me, it isn't working. I wish it would, but I don't think it will unless Cousins changes his approach. Unfortunately, I've seen very little change in the six years he's been here. To some extent, it's gotten worse. But that's just me. I'm sure that I'm in the minority. I'm tired of these discussions about Cousins.
 
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Funny, I'm trying to figure out whether your validating my point of view, or saying well, everyone does it, and therefore it's OK. Maybe this comes down to what each of us is willing to endure as the price of putting up with Cousins antics. If the end justifies the means, then I have no argument against that. I've been watching basketball for a long time, and I've seen a lot of incidents that are far worse than anythng Cousins has done, but that's not the issue. It comes down to what is right and what is wrong, and what Cousins did the other night was wrong. Bricky implies that the implications are meaningless, so therefore, it's not something to get worked up about. OK, I get where he's coming from. But that's not the point.

There are several ways to judge Cousins. One way is his 27 points and 12 rebounds. No denying that! He's a very talented man, and I use the word man loosely, because he acts like a child far too often to suit me. Another other way is to exaggerate every little thing he does wrong. Make him into some sort of out of control monster. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, and it's complicated because we aren't privy to what happens behind closed doors. A lot of what we use as information is speculation. I try to judge people on what I know to be fact, not speculation. So let me be up front about one thing that leaps out at me. I see absolutely no remorse coming from Cousins about anything he does.

That bothers me! It's one thing to lose it in the heat of battle, but despite your reasons at the moment, at some point, you should be able to see the effect on your teammates and your overall effect on the game. The other night, he sucked the air out of the arena for no good reason, other than to satisfy his own needs. He argues with ref's constantly while play is still going on leaving his teammates to defend four on five, and seemingly doesn't care.

I'll be honest, if we were a 50 plus win team I'd be more inclined toward forgiveness, but were not. We stink, and no matter when or how we stink, it appears that Cousins isn't at least partially the blame. It's everything but him. I think there is some validity to that, but Cousins is also responsible. You can't take credit for every win, and shirk responsibility for the losses.

The chemistry, and climate surrounding the team is in a large part created by Cousins. That's what comes with leadership. But even there, the lack of chemistry is blamed on Karl, not Cousins. Either Cousins, or his agent has tried to pull the rug out from Karl from the get go. I get that he doesn't like Karl, but if you the leader of the team, and your already mocking the coach prior to the season, what kind of result do your think your going to get from that?

Let me say at this point that I can't wait to see Karl gone. So this has nothing to do with my love of George Karl. This has to do with Cousins being a polarizing figure that determines how successful the team will be. For me, it isn't working. I wish it would, but I don't think it will unless Cousins changes his approach. Unfortunately, I've seen very little change in the six years he's been here. To some extent, it's gotten worse. But that's just me. I'm sure that I'm in the minority. I'm tired of these discussions about Cousins.

I could agree with you except for one thing. Coach Mike Malone had these guys buying in. He had most of us Fans buying in. The Kings were actually playing DEFENSE. We all saw how Cousins respected Malone. The other Coaches had adversarial relationships with their Star player, including Karl. What did Malone do differently?

As far as that little push of Henderson the other night you are making it out to be something I did not see. That is why I posted the Vids of actual physical action requiring Ref intervention. What goes on with Cousins is more like what you see in WWF.

I think Cousins needs Coaching on how to interact with the Players and Refs. Yes I know he has been here SIX years but look at those SIX years, it has been a dumpster fire for most of that time.

Every person has flaws and I just think too much emphasis is being placed on Cousins.

He is not the reason the Kings are losing.

The Kings need a Players Coach that understands how to work WITH Players and a couple of good wing defenders who can hit the three ball.