[Game] Kings v. Wizards - 3/30/16 - 7 PT, 10 ET
- Thread starter VF21
- Start date
Rondo went to the corner because the ball rolled over there. It was either go get it or let someone else get it. And while you can see his near the sidelines, it is inconclusive whether or not he went up the sideline. Especially when you consider that the 2 Refs close to him didn't make the call. They had a better view and didn't seem to think that Rondo had made a violation.
Look, the call may be inconclusive but there is absolutely ZERO ways in which you can excuse Rondo for not just inbounding the ball. He picks up the ball at the "O" of Sacramento. He gets called for the violation standing outside where the 3 point line would extend to. He picks the ball up, takes a good two or three steps towards the corner for absolutely no reason and may or may not have stepped up the sideline. I mean, someone in this thread or the grades thread said "maybe he was upset that (the Wizards) scored instead of dribbling it out". The Wizards were down, it's perfectly normal to not dribble it out. Rondo seemed to be looking to set up someone for one more quick shot in a 14 point victory.
Look, the call may be inconclusive but there is absolutely ZERO ways in which you can excuse Rondo for not just inbounding the ball. He picks up the ball at the "O" of Sacramento. He gets called for the violation standing outside where the 3 point line would extend to. He picks the ball up, takes a good two or three steps towards the corner for absolutely no reason and may or may not have stepped up the sideline. I mean, someone in this thread or the grades thread said "maybe he was upset that (the Wizards) scored instead of dribbling it out". The Wizards were down, it's perfectly normal to not dribble it out. Rondo seemed to be looking to set up someone for one more quick shot in a 14 point victory.
http://www.nba.com/games/20160330/WASSAC/gameinfo.html?ls=iref:nba:scoreboard
I am ready to discuss this until not only is the flesh flailed off the equine but the flies have laid their eggs and the maggots are hatching. People have my permission to take a nap.
Did anyone watch the video instead of looking at the picture? Follow the link above and have a little patience for the video to show up.
Here's what I saw on the replay and there is a slight chance I don't know where Rondo's feet are when he throws the ball in. Rondo follows the ball to the corner. He picks it up behind the baseline and he is not up the side line. He is not up the sideline at any point. He does not hold the ball longer than 5 seconds. Rondo gently tosses the ball in.
I don't think Rondo did anything wrong. Maybe Grant has an opinion on the original violation call. I'd love to hear it. Sure, you go with the call on the court but really, occasionally refs make mistakes.
Never a dull moment and if any of you are arguing because you actually find it important to win, leave me out. I am more interested in determining if anyone shares my vision of what happened. It's too bad that rule of reviewing calls in the last two minute in a game decided by 5 pts or less didn't apply. I'd love to hear an official analysis. I personally think the violation was a BS call. Everything after that it is on Rondo and Cousins. They were childish although I may have joined them.
I like winning. That's the bottom line. I also don't want to lose our draft pick and Cousins, in his stupidity, may have helped that cause also. I feel sorry for the guy from Chile who may be attending tonight's game. Cuz owes him pay back such as an evening with Cuz at his home. That's to make up for denying the guy the opportunity to watch Cuz play.
I am ready to discuss this until not only is the flesh flailed off the equine but the flies have laid their eggs and the maggots are hatching. People have my permission to take a nap.
Did anyone watch the video instead of looking at the picture? Follow the link above and have a little patience for the video to show up.Here's what I saw on the replay and there is a slight chance I don't know where Rondo's feet are when he throws the ball in. Rondo follows the ball to the corner. He picks it up behind the baseline and he is not up the side line. He is not up the sideline at any point. He does not hold the ball longer than 5 seconds. Rondo gently tosses the ball in.
I don't think Rondo did anything wrong. Maybe Grant has an opinion on the original violation call. I'd love to hear it. Sure, you go with the call on the court but really, occasionally refs make mistakes.
Never a dull moment and if any of you are arguing because you actually find it important to win, leave me out. I am more interested in determining if anyone shares my vision of what happened. It's too bad that rule of reviewing calls in the last two minute in a game decided by 5 pts or less didn't apply. I'd love to hear an official analysis. I personally think the violation was a BS call. Everything after that it is on Rondo and Cousins. They were childish although I may have joined them.
I like winning. That's the bottom line. I also don't want to lose our draft pick and Cousins, in his stupidity, may have helped that cause also. I feel sorry for the guy from Chile who may be attending tonight's game. Cuz owes him pay back such as an evening with Cuz at his home. That's to make up for denying the guy the opportunity to watch Cuz play.
I too think the call was kinda ??? but more important to me is the fact that Rondo put himself in that position for no reason whatsoever. Glenn's account of the events is simply not accurate. Rondo picked up the ball then took a few steps to the side looking to do a baseball pass. There was no need for that. He could have literally picked up the ball at the O as he did and tossed it in there and then. If he does that none of this even becomes as issue.
My memory of watching it live:
Rondo pretty clearly was creeping up the sideline before he released the ball.
You can see it on that nba feed, as well (it may or may not be the CSN feed) - he creeps along the baseline, looking downcourt, then steps up the baseline with his left foot before dropping the ball awkwardly to Collison. It was stupid of him not to just inbound the ball, and his mental peculiarities are hard to defend this year, after this incident and the previous double-tech inbounding incident.
It doesn;t mean he shouldn;t be re-signed - it means that he should be talked to, and asked what is going on, why he's screwing around so much, and he'd better be convincing when saying he wouldn;t pull this crap in a serious season during serious games. I don;t think he would be pulling this crap if the front office didn't torpedo the season by not getting rid of Karl either during the off-season or at All-Star break. This was a wasted season, all the players knew it, and Rondo is the kind of personality type that has to be fully engaged in the competitive endeavor or else he will demonstrate negative behaviors.
That all said, the ref demonstrated the exact kind of behavior that the league has been punishing their refs for, and have repeatedly stated they don;t want them doing - injecting themselves into the game.
The ref had NO BUSINESS making that call, since the two others who's responsibility it was chose to let that little violation go.
The ref very clearly was having no business with letting Rondo get away with ANY violation, no matter how small or unimportant.
This shows an unbalanced, personal bias of the ref which I would predict would be mentioned/reprimanded by the league (privately, of course, since they never reveal internal disciplinary ref actions).
But after looking at that clip for the 5th time, I noticed something weird - the two guys closest to the coaches in the front row are out-and-out laughing with glee when Demarcus is reacting to getting the tech.
Those two guys, who are either involved with the team, or have THE MOST PREMIER SEATS IN THE ENTIRE ARENA, are openly deriving much pleasure at Demarcus getting screwed by a biased ref's collateral damage.
Rondo pretty clearly was creeping up the sideline before he released the ball.
You can see it on that nba feed, as well (it may or may not be the CSN feed) - he creeps along the baseline, looking downcourt, then steps up the baseline with his left foot before dropping the ball awkwardly to Collison. It was stupid of him not to just inbound the ball, and his mental peculiarities are hard to defend this year, after this incident and the previous double-tech inbounding incident.
It doesn;t mean he shouldn;t be re-signed - it means that he should be talked to, and asked what is going on, why he's screwing around so much, and he'd better be convincing when saying he wouldn;t pull this crap in a serious season during serious games. I don;t think he would be pulling this crap if the front office didn't torpedo the season by not getting rid of Karl either during the off-season or at All-Star break. This was a wasted season, all the players knew it, and Rondo is the kind of personality type that has to be fully engaged in the competitive endeavor or else he will demonstrate negative behaviors.
That all said, the ref demonstrated the exact kind of behavior that the league has been punishing their refs for, and have repeatedly stated they don;t want them doing - injecting themselves into the game.
The ref had NO BUSINESS making that call, since the two others who's responsibility it was chose to let that little violation go.
The ref very clearly was having no business with letting Rondo get away with ANY violation, no matter how small or unimportant.
This shows an unbalanced, personal bias of the ref which I would predict would be mentioned/reprimanded by the league (privately, of course, since they never reveal internal disciplinary ref actions).
But after looking at that clip for the 5th time, I noticed something weird - the two guys closest to the coaches in the front row are out-and-out laughing with glee when Demarcus is reacting to getting the tech.
Those two guys, who are either involved with the team, or have THE MOST PREMIER SEATS IN THE ENTIRE ARENA, are openly deriving much pleasure at Demarcus getting screwed by a biased ref's collateral damage.
It's funny that everybody seems to be focusing on whether or not there was a violation. I really couldn't care less about a bad - even horrid - call at the very end of a game that was done and over.
What bothers me is
1) The reports that Rondo was riding the ref all game, which seems to have led to the call
2) The fact that Boogie got himself suspended over it
Where Rondo was on the baseline is pretty immaterial. What's material to me is this antagonistic relationship that we're maintaining with the refs. We're trying to build a winning team here, and the last thing we need is to get jobbed a little here and a little there throughout every game, be it consciously or unconsciously, because the refs don't like us.
What bothers me is
1) The reports that Rondo was riding the ref all game, which seems to have led to the call
2) The fact that Boogie got himself suspended over it
Where Rondo was on the baseline is pretty immaterial. What's material to me is this antagonistic relationship that we're maintaining with the refs. We're trying to build a winning team here, and the last thing we need is to get jobbed a little here and a little there throughout every game, be it consciously or unconsciously, because the refs don't like us.
Espn's take on it.
Refs need to get thicker skin. I rarely agree with ESPN, but the refs are not the show.
Cuz did not "get himself suspended." That petty ref did it cause his poor feelings got hurt and he called a few Ts at the end of a game just to be a tough guy. Good for him. He robbed fans the chance to see Demarcus tonight. So, good for him. Bad for the league though. Bad for business.
That clown official is going to hear about if from the league. No doubt. Quietly fined or reprimanded.
Every team rides the refs. How is this shocking to people?
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=15113438
Refs need to get thicker skin. I rarely agree with ESPN, but the refs are not the show.
Cuz did not "get himself suspended." That petty ref did it cause his poor feelings got hurt and he called a few Ts at the end of a game just to be a tough guy. Good for him. He robbed fans the chance to see Demarcus tonight. So, good for him. Bad for the league though. Bad for business.
That clown official is going to hear about if from the league. No doubt. Quietly fined or reprimanded.
Every team rides the refs. How is this shocking to people?
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=15113438
My wife is one of those people who got robbed of seeing a good game by this ref, so I'm personally pissed at him letting his personal bias get in the way of calling the game properly.
This will be her last game at the arena, and the only one she's seen in years, and this incident made a mockery of tonight's game.
That said, the pre-game tonight showed the opposite baseline angle, which showed Rondo clearly stepping up the baseline before he let go of the ball (like I described before).
This is likely a clear violation of the rules.
There are TONS of rules violations that are not called during the game.
When inbounding the ball particularly, there are frequent violations that aren't called, to allow the game to continue when no benefit is gained.
James Ham said during tonight's pre-game, that Marc Davis "has history with both Demarcus AND Rondo."
What I don;t get is - when a ref calls fouls differently against players they "have had history with", why aren't they publicly questioned/reprimanded?
It is a clear proof that they are not calling the game objectively, and allowing personal bias to taint their calls.
There really is not much of a clearer example than this one - Marc Davis called a foul that the two other refs that were in better position to make and it was their responsibility to call if appropriate, didn't.
This will be her last game at the arena, and the only one she's seen in years, and this incident made a mockery of tonight's game.
That said, the pre-game tonight showed the opposite baseline angle, which showed Rondo clearly stepping up the baseline before he let go of the ball (like I described before).
This is likely a clear violation of the rules.
There are TONS of rules violations that are not called during the game.
When inbounding the ball particularly, there are frequent violations that aren't called, to allow the game to continue when no benefit is gained.
James Ham said during tonight's pre-game, that Marc Davis "has history with both Demarcus AND Rondo."
What I don;t get is - when a ref calls fouls differently against players they "have had history with", why aren't they publicly questioned/reprimanded?
It is a clear proof that they are not calling the game objectively, and allowing personal bias to taint their calls.
There really is not much of a clearer example than this one - Marc Davis called a foul that the two other refs that were in better position to make and it was their responsibility to call if appropriate, didn't.
The taunting of the ref (who was already angry) was certainly intentional. Maybe Cousins didn't think the ref would actually T him up, but he should have known better and it was certainly his own fault.
Let me tell you a little story, true story, actually happened. I was in 7th or 8th grade and the math class I was in was getting *very* unruly. I wasn't really a part of it, because I was a "good" kid, but it was getting out of control, and finally the teacher snapped enough to get the attention of the entire class. "ALL RIGHT!" she yelled, "WHOEVER WANTS A DETENTION, RAISE YOUR HAND!" And despite not even being part of the original problem, me being a smart ass I raised my hand.
Guess what? I got a detention.
I didn't actually want that detention, I didn't think she would give me the detention, but she did, and it was my own fault.
The thing is, I recognized that it was my own fault and I never did anything like that again. And I was only 13 or so, and it only took once.
Cousins has had six years in this league as a grown man to learn how to not get a "detention", yet he still gets 10+ a year. He's already missed one "field trip" because of too many "detentions", yet despite having been told that one more would cause him to miss another "field trip" he raised his hand for another "detention". Lesson not learned. And it's really frustrating.
Let me tell you a little story, true story, actually happened. I was in 7th or 8th grade and the math class I was in was getting *very* unruly. I wasn't really a part of it, because I was a "good" kid, but it was getting out of control, and finally the teacher snapped enough to get the attention of the entire class. "ALL RIGHT!" she yelled, "WHOEVER WANTS A DETENTION, RAISE YOUR HAND!" And despite not even being part of the original problem, me being a smart ass I raised my hand.
Guess what? I got a detention.
I didn't actually want that detention, I didn't think she would give me the detention, but she did, and it was my own fault.
The thing is, I recognized that it was my own fault and I never did anything like that again. And I was only 13 or so, and it only took once.
Cousins has had six years in this league as a grown man to learn how to not get a "detention", yet he still gets 10+ a year. He's already missed one "field trip" because of too many "detentions", yet despite having been told that one more would cause him to miss another "field trip" he raised his hand for another "detention". Lesson not learned. And it's really frustrating.