Cousins suspended one game
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He needs to be more clear about the "terrible" in town, which could simply be done asking about what the Kings record is without Cousins, or just simply asked what the Kings have done well in the past few seasons.
But I guess that's too deep.
But if he wants to pile the majority on Cousins shoulders because he can't face how terrible our FO decisions have been, how shady the Maloof's were etc...whatever
But I guess that's too deep.
But if he wants to pile the majority on Cousins shoulders because he can't face how terrible our FO decisions have been, how shady the Maloof's were etc...whatever
Adding on this comment.... Cousins' explosion was about a lot more than just one game, it's about the whole season. And maybe DeMarcus directed that frustration at George Karl but it could have been anyone. Here's where I think he has a good point... We see the questionable calls too on the replay. Like that Clipper game where Cole Aldrich and Wesley Johnson got tangled up pursuing the same rebound and took each other to the floor. The refs called a foul on Seth Curry on that play simply for standing in the general vicinity and DeMarcus Cousins lost his head. It was an inexcusably horrible call. This happens to other teams and the whole sideline freaks out, the refs confer with each other, and then reverse the call. It happens to us and Cousins flips out, maybe gets a tech maybe doesn't, and we get a lot of shrugs on our bench. Maybe Grant goes on a mini "shut up and play" tirade while eyeing DeMarcus from the press box.
It's not just the coach that should have DeMarcus' back -- the whole organization looks like they're ready to roll over and die. He's got such a reputation for overreacting to calls at this point that any time he blows up it's seen as Cousins being Cousins and if anything the refs dig in and refuse to even consider that he might be right. There's a fine line between sticking up for yourself and just being argumentative, but I think we could do with a lot more fire from the rest of the team. I think a big reason DeMarcus is upset is that he's not afraid to call BS when it's warranted but then he looks back and nobody on the team is with him. We just hang him out to dry. Rondo showed some fire earlier in the season but he's settled down after the public shaming. I don't know where the relationship stands between DeMarcus and Rudy Gay but I don't recall ever seeing Rudy Gay stick up for him this year which isn't a good sign.
I don't know that George Karl in particular is doing anything wrong on this issue -- I doubt he can make himself audible during a heated moment anyway. But he's the symbolic figure in charge and it's hard to express anger at the collective idea of the team for failing to combat the "Boogie is an out of control complainer" storyline. Personally I think Grant Napier could do with a good punch in the face, but that doesn't really solve anything.
It's not just the coach that should have DeMarcus' back -- the whole organization looks like they're ready to roll over and die. He's got such a reputation for overreacting to calls at this point that any time he blows up it's seen as Cousins being Cousins and if anything the refs dig in and refuse to even consider that he might be right. There's a fine line between sticking up for yourself and just being argumentative, but I think we could do with a lot more fire from the rest of the team. I think a big reason DeMarcus is upset is that he's not afraid to call BS when it's warranted but then he looks back and nobody on the team is with him. We just hang him out to dry. Rondo showed some fire earlier in the season but he's settled down after the public shaming. I don't know where the relationship stands between DeMarcus and Rudy Gay but I don't recall ever seeing Rudy Gay stick up for him this year which isn't a good sign.
I don't know that George Karl in particular is doing anything wrong on this issue -- I doubt he can make himself audible during a heated moment anyway. But he's the symbolic figure in charge and it's hard to express anger at the collective idea of the team for failing to combat the "Boogie is an out of control complainer" storyline. Personally I think Grant Napier could do with a good punch in the face, but that doesn't really solve anything.
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I'm so tired of this guy! Like Baja said, it's the same player year after year with all the issues. Just because he's one of the better players in the league doesn't give him the right to act the way he does. Grow up already. The play that got everybody all upset was the play where Collison took the ball to the basket in transition and there was no call. Watch that play again. It's not a foul! The defender was just running from point A to point B and Collison sidestepped into him and tried to make it look like the defender pushed him. Not the case! Collision initiated all of that.
Also, on the potential flagrant review I was watching DMC's reaction after they announced that there was no foul. He had this sheepish grin on his face like the entire world is out to get him. Again, GROW UP! I'm just so tired of his antics, his reactions, his facial expressions. Yes, he puts up numbers but he doesn't make others around him better. He's uninspiring and he has a loser's mentality. I'm all for moving him this summer and starting fresh.
Flame away!
Also, on the potential flagrant review I was watching DMC's reaction after they announced that there was no foul. He had this sheepish grin on his face like the entire world is out to get him. Again, GROW UP! I'm just so tired of his antics, his reactions, his facial expressions. Yes, he puts up numbers but he doesn't make others around him better. He's uninspiring and he has a loser's mentality. I'm all for moving him this summer and starting fresh.
Flame away!
Adult in the room.
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/ex-cats/article65272392.html
I wish I was there:
“He wasn’t happy, but I wasn’t happy,” Divac said
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/ex-cats/article65272392.html
I wish I was there:
“He wasn’t happy, but I wasn’t happy,” Divac said
DeMarcus Cousins has been here six years and entire time has been one immature dumb self-defeating emotional explosion after another. No one can deny the big kids (hesitate to use word "mans") talent but when is enough-enough? When does he grow up, become a professional, turning 26 in five months? So what to do about it NOW and into next season at the new arena. I have no idea what to do. Build around Boogie with yet another new coach? Calipari for boat load of zillions? But we've been doing coaching carousel forever, rebuilding in fits and starts endlessly. Could it work this time - maybe? Trade him? OK, can we get comparable value? Who? What? If not then Kings could be looking at another six years of frustration - unless Vlade produces one hell of a miracle trade. I'm sick and tired of being kicked around as laughing stock or cry baby stock as it rains drearily outside my window - never more...
So there are a few that see no change AT ALL. That's quite amazing. We had a player who couldn't make it to half time because of the number of fouls he had to a guy who is mastering his fouls quite well. That is indisputable. The rest of it is a matter of perspective. I see him talking to refs between plays and who also is getting some star calls - getting the break when in the past he would get a foul. No doubt others don't see it at all.
We don't win when he is on the court and others think he is the cause of losses. Should we unload him and see what happens? It could hardly be worse, right?
He's ours, folks. I don't see any change in that. If you want a guy to pitchfork endlessly, you've got him. You also have a guy scoring 30 pts a game. That's the problem. He gets rebounds. If you assume nothing will ever change, rant on. I see him changing. I see the refs changing. Vlade says he won't trade him. That's quite a pickle. What does Vlade see?
We don't win when he is on the court and others think he is the cause of losses. Should we unload him and see what happens? It could hardly be worse, right?
He's ours, folks. I don't see any change in that. If you want a guy to pitchfork endlessly, you've got him. You also have a guy scoring 30 pts a game. That's the problem. He gets rebounds. If you assume nothing will ever change, rant on. I see him changing. I see the refs changing. Vlade says he won't trade him. That's quite a pickle. What does Vlade see?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
That would require them to actually REPORT WHAT THEY ARE PRIVILEGED TO HEAR, and to inform the public of the truth of things.
But that is not they're job anymore (I don't know if it ever was for "reporters").
There is not one person involved with the Kings that would actually tell the truth, if it isn't what their employers want them to. In other words, they are basically puppets of the Kings, only acting on their behalf to perpetuate the narrative the front office wants published.
And yes, this includes Carmichael Dave, and he's admitted as much that he feels he's fallen on the sword of truth enough already, and won't endanger his job by revealing info.
That would require them to actually REPORT WHAT THEY ARE PRIVILEGED TO HEAR, and to inform the public of the truth of things.
But that is not they're job anymore (I don't know if it ever was for "reporters").
There is not one person involved with the Kings that would actually tell the truth, if it isn't what their employers want them to. In other words, they are basically puppets of the Kings, only acting on their behalf to perpetuate the narrative the front office wants published.
And yes, this includes Carmichael Dave, and he's admitted as much that he feels he's fallen on the sword of truth enough already, and won't endanger his job by revealing info.
This sort of incident has always been what's turned people off from Boogie and thinking that we'd be better off moving on from him. I mean, him getting suspended has gotten so common for him that people don't even bat an eye at it anymore. It's never been about his talent; it's this exact sort of thing.
We know Cuz is frustrated. The fans are frustrated. But blowing up at your coach in a manner that requires you to be suspended is not leadership. It's the juvenile Cuz BS that should have been left in the rear-view mirror from 3 years back.
I would have LOVED to see another "Karl-Rondo-Cuz meeting to discuss stuff" headline. That would have shown growth. Once again, he takes 1 step forward and 2 steps back as a leader.
We know Cuz is frustrated. The fans are frustrated. But blowing up at your coach in a manner that requires you to be suspended is not leadership. It's the juvenile Cuz BS that should have been left in the rear-view mirror from 3 years back.
I would have LOVED to see another "Karl-Rondo-Cuz meeting to discuss stuff" headline. That would have shown growth. Once again, he takes 1 step forward and 2 steps back as a leader.
AGAIN, you seem to be one of the few KF's that have any clue about what's going on with this team.
It makes my blood boil with the narrative/propaganda that Napear has successfully spun (and gotten his toadies Jason & Nate to parrot) that this franchise has "catered" to Demarcus his whole career.
Nothing is further from the truth!
They've hung him out to dry continuously. Seldom defended him - the whole coaching staff - when he has been jobbed by the refs (and there are literally HUNDREDS of examples - I'd wager a mix-tape could be made of Demarcus' career and it would show an endless parade of bullcrap calls against him, with nary a whisper of opposition by his own coaching staff, much less outrage or inquiry or any fuss put up by his front office) he is left on his own to lobby the refs (invariably unsuccessfully).
It's truly amazing to me that Kings fans don't know this.
They actually believe Napear and his minions over their own eyes over 404 games of evidence.
It makes my blood boil with the narrative/propaganda that Napear has successfully spun (and gotten his toadies Jason & Nate to parrot) that this franchise has "catered" to Demarcus his whole career.
Nothing is further from the truth!
They've hung him out to dry continuously. Seldom defended him - the whole coaching staff - when he has been jobbed by the refs (and there are literally HUNDREDS of examples - I'd wager a mix-tape could be made of Demarcus' career and it would show an endless parade of bullcrap calls against him, with nary a whisper of opposition by his own coaching staff, much less outrage or inquiry or any fuss put up by his front office) he is left on his own to lobby the refs (invariably unsuccessfully).
It's truly amazing to me that Kings fans don't know this.
They actually believe Napear and his minions over their own eyes over 404 games of evidence.
Do people really believe that Karl is open to meetings?!?
Rondo and Demarcus PROVED earlier this year that they are veterans, trying to act as leaders and dialogue with Karl. This was already proven by their actions.
Does anyone really believe, based on Karl's behavior this year, that he is open to a open dialogue about how things could be improved?
He of the "I'm not going to discuss my lineups with you" fame?
Rondo and Demarcus PROVED earlier this year that they are veterans, trying to act as leaders and dialogue with Karl. This was already proven by their actions.
Does anyone really believe, based on Karl's behavior this year, that he is open to a open dialogue about how things could be improved?
He of the "I'm not going to discuss my lineups with you" fame?
Tired of what exactly? Are we all coaches here?
This is one of those incidents halfway outside of a lockerroom tirade. I watched the game and didn't even know it had happened.
Boogie's "self defeating" whatever it is supposed to be, has him averaging a career high 34.7 min a game this year, the same min a game as Russell Westbrook, and more than Curry, Paul, and Kawhi. He leads all NBA centers in minutes per game.
Meanwhile he's on pace to be the first player to average 27pts 11rebs a game since Shaq in 2002-03, 13 years ago, and one of only 7 HOFS (Cuz, Shaq, Webb, Hakeem, Mailman, Barkley, Moses) to do it in the last 40 years.
So exactly what are we tired of here? Because whatever Boogie is doing seems to be working on a rather epic scale. Maybe some of the also rans should consider adopting some of his self destructive habits.
This is one of those incidents halfway outside of a lockerroom tirade. I watched the game and didn't even know it had happened.
Boogie's "self defeating" whatever it is supposed to be, has him averaging a career high 34.7 min a game this year, the same min a game as Russell Westbrook, and more than Curry, Paul, and Kawhi. He leads all NBA centers in minutes per game.
Meanwhile he's on pace to be the first player to average 27pts 11rebs a game since Shaq in 2002-03, 13 years ago, and one of only 7 HOFS (Cuz, Shaq, Webb, Hakeem, Mailman, Barkley, Moses) to do it in the last 40 years.
So exactly what are we tired of here? Because whatever Boogie is doing seems to be working on a rather epic scale. Maybe some of the also rans should consider adopting some of his self destructive habits.
This is important point that has not gotten enough attention and glossed over by those who want to excuse a "HOF player". When Boogie got ejected in Golden State and went bonkers he hacked Curry on the wrist. He clearly made contact in the shooting motion and went nuts. It is even more ridiculous to think the best player in the game is not going to get a call in his favor that was not even borderline.
He lost it last night on a drive when the defender is standing vertical and he's throwing his hands in the air. (on the play he got a technical). The play you are referring to is another example. Do you see a pattern? It goes back not only these instances but years. I have said this repeatedly but defenders have their right to position on the floor and when the offensive player initiates contact they are not getting whistle.
PLAY ON!
This matters because if Boogie is contending the coach did not have his back....well thats likely because from the coaches perspective the ref was not at fault. Boogie has a dubious reputation with refs because he complains on valid calls and the coaches know this seeing the game live then again on replay at least once if not twice or more. The hard truth is this: Boogie has more than a bad temper. He's slightly delusional with a victim mentality and false sense of entitlement.
If you are great player you don't need to be bailed out by the refs. But if you think you are great player and when things don't go your way and you refuse to take accountability, which is who Boogie is, then you have no recourse than to blame a convenient target, whether it is the referee or the coach who did not feel compelled to condone your boorish behavior. This is not even a defense of Karl. Just a matter of fact.
He lost it last night on a drive when the defender is standing vertical and he's throwing his hands in the air. (on the play he got a technical). The play you are referring to is another example. Do you see a pattern? It goes back not only these instances but years. I have said this repeatedly but defenders have their right to position on the floor and when the offensive player initiates contact they are not getting whistle.
PLAY ON!
This matters because if Boogie is contending the coach did not have his back....well thats likely because from the coaches perspective the ref was not at fault. Boogie has a dubious reputation with refs because he complains on valid calls and the coaches know this seeing the game live then again on replay at least once if not twice or more. The hard truth is this: Boogie has more than a bad temper. He's slightly delusional with a victim mentality and false sense of entitlement.
If you are great player you don't need to be bailed out by the refs. But if you think you are great player and when things don't go your way and you refuse to take accountability, which is who Boogie is, then you have no recourse than to blame a convenient target, whether it is the referee or the coach who did not feel compelled to condone your boorish behavior. This is not even a defense of Karl. Just a matter of fact.
Just a clarification, our coaching staff leads the league in T's
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/team-technical-fouls/2015/
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/team-technical-fouls/2015/
From a fan's perspective, I'm tired of watching his emotions get the best of him. I don't care what his numbers are. He can't win 30 games and he makes everybody (including me) miserable. I'd rather trade him for young players and watch them play hard next year and win 25 games. At this point, I'm just not convinced that he has the mental makeup to ever be "The Guy" on a team. It gives me nightmares to think of how he would break down in a heated playoff series. That's where the men are separated from the boys.
His attitude creates a toxic environment, look at Rudy in that video clip, he just looks like a defeated soul that is indifferent at this point of Cousins antics. You will never win with your best player always on edge and ready to explode at any given moment, it just permeates down the roster. You can tell teammates are just tired of his attitude but have to put up with it because of his talent(same as the fanbase). Always telling ourselves "look at the talent", well yes he is talented but his intangibles are terrible, not a good leader, not very professional, plays defense when he wants to, trots down the floor 80% of the time. The excuse this year will be that Karl is terrible(he has been) but again Cousin's HOF season will net us 33 wins.
Another thing....I know you understand the game and have a strong knowledge of the history of the game. I respect you and your opinions even though you and I butt heads a lot with DeMarcus. You like to post about his stats and how they rank up against other great players. But the thing is, this is not fantasy basketball where you win when you have a bunch of guys who put up stats. This is real life. The cohesiveness of a team is important. Certain players have the ability to inspire others to play better than they normally would. I believe DMC is the opposite. You can't put a number on that. You just have to go by feel and the eye test. But if you must insist on using stats, then you can't ignore the fact that he hasn't won 30 games in this league. You just can't.
I don't think Karl is intentionally losing games. He's had a HOF coaching career in the NBA..he's far past the point where he needs to prove anything. I think the problem is his stubbornness.
Think about it, if you're a 1000 career winning future HOF coach who's won most of your games through your specific offense, why change it? Why change it for a bunch of players who don't know what winning feels like?
He's modified his system, but he doesn't want to completely change it. Karl is what he is...washed up. However, does this give Cousins permission to treat his coach this way? Hell no.
Hypothetically, what would've happened if Vlade suspended Cousins for his 1st incident? Would he have learned to respect Karl while helping the team come together? Would we have gone on some type of miracle run?
This is where Vlade ****ed up. If he had suspended Cousins after his 1st incident, we would've likely avoided this one. For not suspending him the 1st time where he cursed out Karl in public... Cousins decides that it's ok for him to bicker at Karl on the bench in an actual game in front of his teammates and fans.
Vlade has a crap-ton of damage control to do following this season.
Think about it, if you're a 1000 career winning future HOF coach who's won most of your games through your specific offense, why change it? Why change it for a bunch of players who don't know what winning feels like?
He's modified his system, but he doesn't want to completely change it. Karl is what he is...washed up. However, does this give Cousins permission to treat his coach this way? Hell no.
Hypothetically, what would've happened if Vlade suspended Cousins for his 1st incident? Would he have learned to respect Karl while helping the team come together? Would we have gone on some type of miracle run?
This is where Vlade ****ed up. If he had suspended Cousins after his 1st incident, we would've likely avoided this one. For not suspending him the 1st time where he cursed out Karl in public... Cousins decides that it's ok for him to bicker at Karl on the bench in an actual game in front of his teammates and fans.
Vlade has a crap-ton of damage control to do following this season.
It's year 6, the suspensions are still there, the technicals are still there, the lazy/slow getting back on defense is still there and the sulking after a call he doesn't get is still there.
Yes, he is putting up career numbers and sometimes showing a level head. But the immaturity is still there and the techs/suspensions add up to loses.
Hopefully he one day gets it before it is too late because he is an extraordinary talent. If/when he develops mental toughness, he will be ready to lead. But until then, you can expect the same trend to continue (great stats, losing seasons).
Yes, he is putting up career numbers and sometimes showing a level head. But the immaturity is still there and the techs/suspensions add up to loses.
Hopefully he one day gets it before it is too late because he is an extraordinary talent. If/when he develops mental toughness, he will be ready to lead. But until then, you can expect the same trend to continue (great stats, losing seasons).
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He's setting a bad example for guys like WCS. A bad culture. No matter what the issues of the team, coaches, owners, playing time whatever. You stay professional and keep it in house. Now you've already got your high draft pick rookie making public comments. This just isn't good enough.
I just can't see this team succeeding with Cousins as the lead man.
I just can't see this team succeeding with Cousins as the lead man.
